Name: 國會議員力挺「拯救美國法案」：這是投票的「常識」！ (Congressman defends SAVE America Act as 'common sense' for voting)
Uploaded: 2026-02-12T23:05:34.000Z
Duration: 7 min 47 s

基礎被動語態

The Save America act is headed to the Senate after passing the House.

Save America 法案在眾議院通過後，將送往參議院。

The bill would require government mandated proof of citizenship, such as passports or birth certificates, to register to vote.

這項法案要求政府強制提供公民身份證明，例如護照或出生證明，才能登記投票。

That would also require states to remove noncitizens from existing voter rolls.

這也會要求各州將非公民從現有的選民名冊中移除。

Republican Congressman Mike Herodopoulos from Florida is a co sponsor of the bill.

來自佛羅裡達州的共和黨國會議員 Mike Herodopoulos 是該法案的共同提案人。

他現在加入我們，提供更多資訊。

So noncitizens are already prohibited from voting in federal and state elections.

所以非公民本來就禁止在聯邦選舉和州選舉中投票。

那為什麼這一切都是必要的呢？

Well, I think most importantly, we want to make sure we have photo id.

嗯，我認為最重要的是，我們要確保我們有身份證件（附照片）。

You don't have to be a Republican to believe in this.

你不一定要是共和黨員才能相信這點。

Overwhelmingly, Republicans, Democrats, Independents, all believe you should require photo identification.

壓倒性地，共和黨員、民主黨員、無黨派人士，都認為你應該要要求身份證件（附照片）。

As you know, 14 states currently do not require that in order to board a plane or buy alcohol, for that matter, you need an id.

你知道的，目前有 14 個州不需要這樣，但要搭乘飛機或買酒，你也需要身份證件。

Considering the foundation of our government is a vibrant, safe democracy, we want to make sure that that is ensured that only Americans vote and in American elections.

考量到我們政府的基礎是個充滿活力的、安全的民主，我們要確保的是隻有美國人才能投票，以及在美國的選舉中投票。

So last week we spoke with a nonpartisan Brennan center for Justice.

所以上週我們訪問了無黨派的 Brennan Center for Justice。

So I want to play some of that sound for you right now when we're going to talk on the other side.

所以我想先播放一些當時的錄音給你們聽，之後我們再來聊。

First and foremost, the SAVE act would block millions of Americans from being able to vote.

最重要的，Save America 法案會阻擋數百萬美國人投票。

The SAVE act would require a passport or birth certificate or other citizenship document to register.

Save America 法案要求登記投票時需要護照、出生證明或其他公民身份證明文件。

And we know that over 21 million Americans do not have ready access to those documents.

我們知道有超過 2100 萬美國人無法輕易取得這些文件。

In fact, roughly half of Americans have a passport to begin with, and

事實上，一開始大概只有一半的美國人有護照，

millions don't have either of those documents at all.

而數百萬人根本沒有這些文件。

This policy is a brazen voter suppression effort.

這項政策根本就是明目張膽地壓制選民的投票權。

It would especially burden young voters and voters of color.

這項政策尤其會對年輕選民和有色人種選民造成負擔。

All right, Congressman, what's your response to that?

好的，議員，您對此有什麼回應？

Well, they call that group nonpartisan is a joke.

嗯，他們稱那個組織為無黨派，這根本是笑話。

The second part of it would be that everybody who flies in a plane knows you need a real id.

另一部分是，搭飛機的每個人都知道你需要一張真實的身份證件。

And this is, again, a safeguard for our democracy.

這再次強調，是為了保障我們的民主。

As you know, The Democrats in 2016 crash crowed left and right that Donald Trump was not a legally elected president.

你知道的，民主黨在 2016 年到處嚷嚷說唐納·川普不是合法選出的總統。

我們對 2020 年的結果並不滿意。

What better way to affirm making sure only Americans are voting in American elections is to require ID and make sure it's a photo id.

有什麼更好的方法來確認只有美國人在美國選舉中投票，那就是要求身份證件，並確保是身份證件（附照片）。

Every other major country does this in national elections.

其他所有主要國家在全國選舉中都會這樣做。

We want to make sure that people trust the election results.

我們要確保大家信任選舉結果。

這就是我們推進這件事的原因。

And these were the same hysterical comments made when they changed the election laws in the state of Georgia and more people actually voted after they put those safeguards in place.

這些和他們更改喬治亞州選舉法時一樣歇斯底里的評論，當時實施了這些安全措施後，反而有更多人投票了。

I'm very Confident that photo ID is the right way to go.

我非常有信心，身份證件（附照片）是正確的做法。

Where did this idea come from and why now?

這個想法是從哪裡來的？為什麼是現在？

When you tell people that they don't have to show photo ID in 14 states in order to vote, it's like, what are you talking about?

當你告訴大家，在 14 個州投票時，不需要出示身份證件（附照片），他們會覺得「你在說什麼？」

A lot of people are worried about some of the comments being made about illegals voting or other people who are not eligible.

很多人擔心有人說非法移民投票，或是其他不符合資格的人投票。

We just want to safeguard the basis of democracy.

I believe that if we lose confidence in our elections, we lose the country.

我相信，如果我們對選舉失去信心，我們就會失去這個國家。

And so we want to make sure that only people who are legally registered to vote, American citizens, will vote.

所以我們要確保，只有合法登記投票的美國公民才能投票。

And you verify that with a simple photo id, just like you do before you go on a plane or let alone purchase alcohol or probably check into a hotel.

而且你只要用一個簡單的身份證件（附照片）就能驗證，就像你搭乘飛機，或更不用說買酒、辦理入住飯店手續前一樣。

所以這件事當時真的非常重要。

Why wasn't this done during Trump's first term?

為什麼川普第一任期內沒有做這件事？

Well, I don't know because I wasn't here.

嗯，我不知道，因為我那時候不在這裡。

但我知道的是，我現在在這裡。

And I want to pass things like the SAVE Act.

而且我希望能通過像Save America 法案這樣的法案。

I want to give people the confidence once again that their vote counts.

我希望能讓大家再次相信，他們的選票是算數的。

And Congress should have an active role to make sure that the voter rolls are clean and that people who are truly eligible to vote vote and anybody who tries to do nefarious things is not eligible to vote.

國會應該積極扮演角色，確保選民名冊是乾淨的，讓真正有資格投票的人投票，任何試圖做壞事的人都沒有投票資格。

So President Trump has called for Republicans to take over elections and nationalize voting.

所以川普總統呼籲共和黨員接管選舉並將投票全國化。

Well, I think you're mischaracterizing it.

嗯，我認為你這樣說有點誤導。

Congress has long had a role in getting involved in election law, whether it be back in 1845 when we made it where November would be, the elections for Congress, after the harvest, before winter set in 1965, of course, the Voter Rights act, the Civil Rights act, and

國會長期以來一直在參與選舉法，無論是早在 1845 年我們規定國會選舉在 11 月舉行，在收成之後、冬天來臨之前，當然還有 1965 年的《投票權利法案》、《民權法案》，以及

of course, Hava and other voting things we've done in recent years.

當然，還有 Hava 和我們近年來推動的其他投票相關法案。

It doesn't mean we're nationalizing elections, and

這不代表我們要將選舉全國化，

it means we're setting up basic standards, which are common sense, photo identification, making sure you're the person who actually you say you are, so there is not rampant voter fraud that could take place.

而是我們要設定基本的標準，這些都是常識，像是附照片的身份證件，確保你是你聲稱的那個人，這樣就不會有猖獗的選民舞弊發生。

I can tell you, as a history teacher, back in the 1880s, 1890s, where people go to multiple voting sites, say they're someone who they're really not.

我可以告訴你，身為一位歷史老師，在 1880 年代、1890 年代，人們會去好幾個投票站，假冒成別人。

Modern technology can easily solve the problems as the partisan Brennan center talked about before.

現代科技可以輕鬆解決問題，就像黨派傾向的 Brennan 中心之前說過的。

So when President Trump says he wants to take over elections and nationalize voting, and

所以當川普總統說他想接管選舉並將投票全國化，

I just repeat what he says, what part am I getting wrong?

我只是重複他說的話，我哪裡說錯了？

Well, and I'm saying is, the way I view it, I can't speak for the President is.

嗯，我的意思是，我認為，我不能代表總統說話。

what I'm saying is if the President of the United States says something and then we report on what he says, that's what the President says.

我的意思是，如果美國總統說了什麼，然後我們報導他說的話，那就是總統說的話。

I mean, how am I mischaracterizing his own words and that this is what he's saying.

我的意思是，我怎麼會誤解他自己的話，而這就是他說的。

The Republicans should say we want to take over.

The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.

We have states that are so crooked and they're counting votes.

我們有些州非常腐敗，他們正在計票。

Now, if we need to put in federal controls as opposed to state controls, remember this, they're really an agent.

現在，如果我們需要實施聯邦管制而不是州管制，請記住這一點，他們實際上是代理人。

They're really accumulating the votes for who wins an election.

他們實際上是在累積贏得選舉的票數。

If they can't do it honestly and it can't be done properly and timely, then something else has to happen.

如果他們無法誠實地做到，也無法妥善及時地完成，那麼就必須有其他辦法。

So just using what the President just said there in those two clips, do you support what he just said there?

所以，就以總統剛才說的這兩段影片內容來看，你支持他剛才說的嗎？

In the 1960s when Southern states did not allow African Americans to vote, federal people came downstairs and made they down south and made sure they actually were able to register to vote.

在 1960 年代，當南方各州不允許非裔美國人投票時，聯邦人員下來，確保他們能夠登記投票。

If we think there's some nefarious things happening in the south or other parts of the country, of course federal agents will come in to make sure you have the idea of one person, one vote.

如果我們認為南方或其他地區發生了什麼陰謀，當然聯邦人員會介入，確保你們能實現一人一票的理念。

This is what happened in the civil rights movement.

And again, we're in a case right now when in 2016, Democrats said that somehow Donald Trump stole the election.

再說一次，我們現在面臨的情況是，2016 年民主黨人說川普不知怎麼地偷走了選舉。

I can run you 20 minutes of that in 2020.

我可以給你播放 20 分鐘 2020 年的內容。

A lot of Republicans are concerned about that.

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