Name: 國會議員揭露！「未刪減愛潑斯坦檔案」裡到底藏了什麼祕密？！ (Congressman reveals what he saw in the unredacted Epstein files)
Uploaded: 2026-02-10T17:05:16.000Z
Duration: 9 min 47 s

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After the Justice Department made millions of unredacted records, unredacted, about convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, available for certain members of Congress to view today.

司法部將數百萬份關於定罪的性犯罪者傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦、未經刪節的紀錄提供給國會部分議員今天查閱。

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Here's what Representatives Thomas Massie and Ro Khanna said they saw just moments ago.

眾議員湯瑪斯·馬西和羅·克汗幾分鐘前表示他們看到的內容是這樣的。

What I saw that bothered me were the names of at least six men that have been redacted that are likely incriminated by their inclusion in these files.

讓我感到困擾的是，至少有六個人的名字被刪節了，而他們的名字出現在這些檔案中，很可能證明瞭他們的罪證。

Our bigger concern is that there's still a lot that's redacted, even in what we're seeing here now.

我們更大的擔憂是，即使是我們現在看到的內容，仍然有很多地方被刪節了。

Joining us, Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz of Florida.

佛羅裡達州民主黨國會議員傑瑞德·莫斯科維茨加入我們的行列。

He serves on the House Judiciary Committee.

他是眾議院司法委員會的成員。

So, Congressman, you got a look at some of these files today.

所以，議員，您今天看了這些檔案。

Now, the Epstein Files Transparency act on only allowed the Justice Department to withhold the personal information of the victims, the survivors, and

現在，《愛潑斯坦檔案透明法》只允許司法部隱藏受害者、倖存者的個人資訊，以及

material that would jeopardize active federal investigations.

可能會危及現行聯邦調查的資料。

Did the redactions that you saw comply with the law?

你看到的刪節內容是否符合法律規定？

And tell us what you saw that concerned you.

請告訴我們您看到了什麼讓您感到擔憂。

First let me say, obviously, we're all hoping for Savannah's mom's speedy return to her family.

首先，我想說，顯然，我們都希望薩凡納的媽媽能盡快回到家人身邊。

So first of all, you go into the Department of Justice today.

所以，首先，你今天去了司法部。

你進入一個有四臺電腦的房間。

The system that they set up for us to view these documents has a 24 page handbook on how to use it.

他們為我們設置的查看這些文件的系統，有一個 24 頁的使用手冊。

There's 2.7 million documents that you have to go through.

There's no way to go through them unless you know what you're looking for by batch number.

除非你知道你要找的是哪個批號，否則根本沒辦法查。

Try to match up the redacted document and look for it in an unredacted capacity.

試著比對被刪節的文件，然後找未經刪節的版本。

But first, let me say that today I saw a worldwide sex trafficking ring with people in other countries sourcing young children for Jeffrey Epstein, co conspirators, names, men and women, clearly other people that might be on the client list, that are on text messages and emails over redaction, dramatic over redaction, it looks like intentionally so.

但首先，我要說的是，今天我看到一個全球性的性交易集團，有其他國家的人在為傑佛瑞·艾普斯坦、共犯、以及男女姓名尋找年輕兒童，還有其他可能在客戶名單上、在簡訊和電子郵件中被大幅刪節、看起來是故意的。

And then documents that are still redacted.

然後還有一些文件仍然被刪節。

And when we asked why these were redacted, that's because they were submitted into this electronic system.

當我們問為什麼這些文件被刪節時，他們說是因為它們被提交到這個電子系統裡了。

And the people that were at our disposal to ask those questions did not know why they were still redacted.

而我們當時可以詢問的人，也不知道為什麼這些文件還被刪節。

Jake, have could you identify any of the names of individuals who are mentioned in the files that concern you?

傑克，你能不能辨識出檔案中提到、讓你擔憂的任何個人姓名？

And if you're afraid of doing it with me now because of fear of lawsuit, there is the speech and debate clause of the Constitution.

如果你現在因為害怕被起訴而不敢做，憲法裡有言論與辯論條款。

Obviously, you can Go to the floor of the House and you could say it and not be sued.

顯然，你可以到眾議院院會，說出來而不會被起訴。

你能告訴我們任何人的名字嗎？

Well, Jake, we have Pam Bondi coming to the Judiciary Committee hearing on Wednesday.

嗯，傑克，我們週三會有 Pam Bondi 出席司法委員會聽證會。

As you mentioned, it's the first time she's coming to the Judiciary hearing.

就像你提到的，這是她第一次出席司法聽證會。

She's the only cabinet secretary yet to appear in the House on the committee of jurisdiction.

她是唯一一位內閣部長，到目前為止在眾議院的管轄委員會上露面。

And I think we're going to give her the opportunity to start naming people.

我認為我們會給她一個機會，讓她開始說出人名。

I think that's what Thomas Massie and Rokhanna have talked about.

我認為這就是 Thomas Massie 和羅·克汗談論過的。

I think the DOJ needs to release an unredacted version of these documents while still hoping, while still keeping the victims names secure.

我認為司法部需要釋出這些文件的未經刪節版本，同時仍希望能保護受害者的名字。

But there are clearly co conspirators in here that they can name.

但這裡面顯然有共謀者，他們可以說出名字。

I mean, in the documents I saw, we got pictures and their names.

我的意思是，在我看到的這些文件中，我們有照片和他們的名字。

There's people in Paris, there's people in Russia, there's people in Czech sourcing girls for Jeffrey Epstein.

在巴黎有這些人，在俄羅斯有這些人，在捷克也有這些人，為 Jeffrey Epstein 尋找女孩。

And then other people talking about these girls being sent to them.

然後其他人談論這些女孩被送到他們那裡。

They refer to them as, you know, we're dropping the child off.

他們稱呼她們，你知道的，我們把孩子送過去了。

I mean, it's really gross, Jake, on how these people are talking about this stuff in text message and email.

我的意思是，這真的很噁心，Jake，這些人在簡訊和電子郵件裡這樣談論這些事。

I think the American people need to see it and understand that this is a worldwide network that Jeffrey Epstein was running today.

我認為美國人民需要看到並瞭解這是一個 Jeffrey Epstein 經營的全球網絡。

Ghislaine Maxwell's attorney said she's prepared to speak fully and honestly.

Ghislaine Maxwell 的律師說她準備好完整且誠實地說出一切。

She took the fifth with the House Oversight Committee earlier, but

但她之前在眾議院監督委員會時，引用了第五修正案，

she said she'll speak fully and honestly, but only if given clemency by President Trump.

她說她會完整且誠實地說出一切，但前提是川普總統給予她特赦。

And her attorney essentially at the same time was saying, hey, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell is the only person who could clear President Trump and President Clinton and say they're innocent of wrongdoing.

同時，她的律師基本上說，嘿，你知道的，Ghislaine Maxwell 是唯一能還川普總統和柯林頓總統清白，說他們沒有做錯事的人。

Some people might see that as a quid pro quo.

有些人可能會認為這是一種交換條件。

First of all, why was she moved from the maximum security prison?

首先，為什麼她會從最高安全級別的監獄轉移？

I hope we get an answer from Pam Bondi on Wednesday.

我希望我們能在週三從 Pam Bondi 那裡得到答案。

似乎沒有人知道她為什麼被轉移。

Who directed that, what was that exchange for?

是誰訓示的？那次交換是為了什麼？

By the way, when she talked to Todd Blanche, she didn't claim any fifth Amendment and so her right to remain silent.

順帶一提，當她跟 Todd Blanche 談話時，她並沒有主張第五修正案的權利，也就是她保持緘默的權利。

So all of a sudden now, I mean, this is another failed, you know, comer, you know, hearing that he has where he says, Ghislaine Maxwell's coming in to talk and we're going to get the truth and when we get nothing, she needs to go back to that maximum security prison.

所以突然之間，我的意思是，這是他另一個失敗的，你知道，聽證會，他說，Ghislaine Maxwell 要來談話，我們會得到真相，但什麼都沒得到，她需要回到那個最高安全級別的監獄。

There should be no deal for clemency for her to bail anybody out.

她不應該有任何獲得赦免來保釋任何人的交易。

But at the end of the day, we need to know why, why she was given this deal, why she was moved, what did she trade for?

但最終，我們需要知道為什麼，為什麼她會得到這個交易，為什麼她被轉移，她交換了什麼？

And what does the administration know that they're not telling us?

而政府知道什麼是他們沒有告訴我們的？

Democratic Congressman Jared Moskowitz of Florida, thanks so much.

佛羅裡達州民主黨國會議員 Jared Moskowitz，非常感謝。

Joining us now, California Democratic Congressman Ro Khanna sits on the House Oversight Committee, sat in on the Maxwell testimony and viewed some the unredacted files today.

現在加入我們的是加州民主黨國會議員羅·克汗，他是眾議院監督委員會的成員，曾參與 Maxwell 的證詞，並在今天看了一些未經刪節的文件。

So, Congressman, what are your biggest takeaways after viewing some of those unredacted documents?

所以，議員，在看了一些未經刪節的文件後，你最大的收穫是什麼？

Anderson, you'll remember that in March, The FBI had 1,000 personnel going through these files.

安德森，你應該記得，三月時，聯邦調查局有 1000 名人員在審閱這些文件。

Donald Trump had ordered them to go through the files, and they made many redactions.

當時川普總統下令他們審閱文件，並做了許多刪節。

And it looks like what happened is those files were redacted then.

看起來當時就是這樣，文件被刪節了。

And then they sent them over to justice, and justice kept those redactions.

然後他們把文件送交司法部，司法部也維持了那些刪節。

嗯，聯邦調查局是為 Pam Bondi 工作的，

they need to unscrub the redactions that the FBI made to comply with the Epstein Transparency Act.

他們需要移除聯邦調查局所做的刪節，以遵守《愛潑斯坦透明法案》。

所以，即使是你看到的那些文件，也被刪節了。

我認為其中有 70% 到 80% 被刪節了。

The main 302 statements where survivors talked about who raped them, all of that was still redacted.

倖存者們談論到誰性侵她們的主要 302 聲明，所有這些都被刪節了。

Now, we did find information about some excessive redactions where there were six men in the two hours we reviewed who should not have been redacted.

現在，我們確實發現了一些關於過度刪節的資訊，在我們審閱的兩小時內，有六個人的資訊本來不應該被刪節。

And I do hope the Justice Department makes that public.

我也希望司法部能公開這些資訊。

Some of the most sensational emails, frankly, some of the redactions may have been legitimate because some of them were from women.

說實話，有些最轟動的電子郵件，有些刪節可能是正當的，因為其中有些是來自女性。

But the broader theme is that a lot of this was redacted back in March before we passed the law.

但更廣泛的說法是，在我們通過法案之前，這些內容在三月就已經被大量刪節了。

And, and the law requires an unscrubbing of those files.

而法律要求對這些檔案進行「未經刪節」的處理。

So we know who the powerful men were who visited the island and raped these girls, and

所以我們知道那些曾造訪該島並性侵這些女孩的權貴是誰，

You were at Maxwell's deposition with the House Oversight Committee today.

你今天和眾議院監督委員會一起參加了麥斯威爾的庭詢。

She invoked her Fifth Amendment right multiple times and also promised to clear President Trump's name in exchange for clemency.

她多次行使了第五修正案的權利，並承諾以特赦換取洗清川普總統的名譽。

I'm wondering what your takeaway was from.

我想知道你從中得到的重點是什麼。

From that and the whole deposition itself.

I mean, she spent hours talking to Deputy Attorney General Blanche and answering his questions.

我是說，她花了數小時跟副總檢察長 Blanche 對話，並回答他的問題。

Yet when it came to the Oversight Committee, whether there were Republican or Democratic questions, she took the blanket Fifth Amendment even when we were asking her.

然而輪到監督委員會時，無論是共和黨還是民主黨的問題，她都一概行使第五修正案的權利，即使我們在問她。

Nothing about incriminating herself, just asking her who else came to the island.

並沒有關於自我歸罪的事情，只是問她還有誰去了那個島。

Who else do you know that could have trafficked in girls?

你還知道有誰可能販賣過女孩？

And then she says, well, I do have this information, I know this information, but

然後她說，嗯，我確實有這些資訊，我知道這些資訊，但是

I'm only going to share it if you give me clemency and don't have any prosecution.

除非你們給我寬恕，並且不進行任何起訴，否則我不會分享。

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