Name: 夏皮羅州長如何準備捍衛賓州人民免受聯邦政府的越權侵害！ (How Gov. Shapiro Is Preparing To Defend Pennsylvanians From Federal Government Overreach)
Uploaded: 2026-01-27T17:13:39.000Z
Duration: 8 min 20 s

歡迎回到我們的 Late Show 節目，各位！

My guest tonight is the current governor and former attorney general of the great state of Pennsylvania.

今晚的來賓是來自賓夕法尼亞州這位很棒的州長，也是前總檢察長。

Please welcome back to the Late Show, Governor Josh Shapiro.

掌聲歡迎回到 Late Show 節目，州長 Josh Shapiro！

Glad you made it up here through the storm.

很高興您能冒著風雨來到這裡。

賓夕法尼亞州現在感覺怎麼樣？

I gotta tell you, on my way up here, I spent some time visiting with the folks at PennDOT, the folks who had been up 24 hours.

我必須告訴您，在我來的路上，我花了一些時間拜訪了賓夕法尼亞州交通部的同仁，他們已經工作了 24 小時。

Plowing and making sure their neighbors are safe.

These folks in every state in our country do not get enough credit for what they do.

我們國家每個州的這些人們，他們所做的事情都沒得到足夠的肯定。

Of course, the other big story over the weekend is that another protester was killed in Minnesota, this time by agents of Customs and Border Protection.

當然，週末的另一個大新聞是，明尼蘇達州又有一名抗議者死亡，這次是被海關及邊境保衛局的幹員殺害。

While it is a chaotic scene, it seems clear the order of events when you watch the many angles.

雖然場面混亂，但從多個角度觀看，事件的順序似乎很清楚。

You've been in many roles in your state, state Congress, county commissioner, attorney general, and now Governor.

您在您的州擔任過許多職位，州議會、郡委員、總檢察長，現在是州長。

Clearly you believe the government is a force for good.

顯然，您認為政府是良善的力量。

What is your reaction to this violence and incitement coming from Homeland Security?

對於國土安全部這些暴力和煽動的行為，您的看法是什麼？

I do believe that government is a force for good.

我確實相信政府是良善的力量。

And I believe this administration in Washington is using it for pure evil in Minnesota right now.

我相信華盛頓的政府正在明尼蘇達州利用它來做純粹的惡事。

I think Americans are outraged by what they see.

我認為美國人對他們所見到的感到憤怒。

And no matter how many times this administration tells us to not see what we're seeing with our own eyes, I think all that does is create more of a rift in our country.

無論這個政府告訴我們多少次不要看到我們親眼所見的，我認為這只會加劇我們國家之間的裂痕。

And I know this certainly as a former chief law enforcement officer of our commonwealth.

身為我們聯邦的前首席執法官，我當然知道這一點。

I also just know this as a common sense American, that the mission in Minnesota must be terminated immediately.

我也知道，作為一個有常識的美國人，明尼蘇達州的任務必須立即終止。

What they are doing, what they are doing, what they are doing there is violating people's constitutional rights.

他們在那裡所做的，所做的，所做的，正在侵犯人民的憲法權利。

What we are seeing is a lawlessness from this administration that must stop.

我們看到的是這個政府的無法無天，必須停止。

我們不能再容忍這樣的事情了。

I will just tell you that they're not abiding by common sense principles of policing.

我只想告訴你，他們沒有遵守常識性的警務原則。

Stopping people because they have an accent, Stephen.

Pulling people over and creating more chaos in our community instead of doing what actual law enforcement is supposed to do, which is to calm tensions and bring people together.

在我們的社區製造更多混亂，而不是做真正的執法部門應該做的事，也就是緩和緊張氣氛，團結大家。

I will tell you that for all the tools that we give our law enforcement in Pennsylvania, the most important tool you need to have is trust with the community that you police.

我會告訴你，儘管我們給賓夕法尼亞州的執法人員所有工具，但你最需要的工具是與你所管轄的社區建立信任。

And what the federal government is doing is eviscerating the trust with the American people.

而聯邦政府正在做的，就是正在消滅與美國人民之間的信任。

And the Trump administration is making us all less safe.

而川普政府正在讓我們所有人都不安全。

This needs to end, and it needs to end now.

這必須停止，而且必須立刻停止。

I think one of the critical things you just said there was about the sense of trust.

我認為你剛剛說的關鍵點之一是關於信任感。

And obviously, you're never going to build trust with masked, unidentified, unaccountable, armed agents who shoot people in the street.

顯然，你永遠無法與戴著口罩、身分不明、不負責、武裝的執法人員建立信任，他們會在街上開槍射擊民眾。

And then you are asked to call what they did a virtue, not just legal, not just allowable.

然後你卻被要求稱讚他們的行為是一種美德，而不僅僅是合法的、可以允許的。

That was the right thing for them to do, that they are the heroes.

那是他們應該做的正確的事，他們是英雄。

They are actually the victims of all of this.

Here's one reason why I think that they should be unmasked, or these men who evidently have been spirited out of Minnesota so they can't be identified.

這就是我認為他們應該被揭下面罩的原因之一，或者這些顯然被從明尼蘇達州祕密帶走、無法被辨識的男人。

這就是為什麼海關及邊境保衛局應該辨識他們。

Because until you identify them, you have to assume that every CBP officer is one of the guys who shot Alex Preddy.

因為在你辨識他們之前，你必須假設每一位 CBP 官員都是那些開槍射擊 Alex Preddy 的人之一。

That's not fair to the other people who work for Customs and Border Protection.

這對其他在海關及邊境保衛局工作的人來說並不公平。

The guys are coming in, are stamping your passport.

It's just common sense that it's safer for everybody who works for these federal institutions to actually identify themselves.

這只是常識，為了所有在這些聯邦機構工作的人的安全，他們應該要表明身分。

It's not just for the knowledge of the public.

It's for the safety of the people who do this work so that they're not painted with the same brush.

這是為了這些工作人員的安全，這樣他們就不會被一概而論。

And you are describing the policy that we employ for the Pennsylvania State Police and the policies that are used in most states, in most jurisdictions around this country.

你正在描述我們在賓夕法尼亞州交通部採用的政策，以及這個國家大多數州、大多數管轄區採用的政策。

We have very strict rules on when you can wear a mask, when you can be undercover.

我們對於何時可以戴口罩、何時可以便衣執勤有非常嚴格的規定。

Because part of the reason why you don't want someone masked, why you want them in a uniform, is because you want them to be identified as the folks in the community that are trusted to keep people safe, the people who are there to actually protect your constitutional rights.

因為你不希望有人戴著口罩，希望他們穿著制服，部分原因就是希望他們能被辨識出來，是社區裡那些被信任能保障大家安全、保護大家憲法權利的人。

And what this administration is doing, I fear, is undermining that trust that has been worked so hard to build up between law enforcement and the community, relying on these agents who are not trained, who are given a mission to go out and create havoc in our communities that is ultimately making us less safe and less free.

而我擔心，這個政府正在做的，就是破壞執法人員和社區之間好不容易建立起來的信任，依賴這些沒有受過訓練的探員，他們被賦予了在我們的社區製造混亂的任務，這最終只會讓我們變得不安全、不自由。

Every person, every Asian, any officer, an IS or CBP who attacks or kills an American and has then said, oh, no, they did the right thing.

每一個人都一樣，每一個亞洲人，任何一名官員，不管是移民局還是海關及邊境保衛局的，如果攻擊或殺害了美國人，然後還說，哦，不，他們做的是對的。

That's only going to say to the next community that gets these agents sent in that this is going to happen to you.

這只會讓下一個被派駐探員的社區知道，這種事情也會發生在你們身上。

So the rumor is that Philadelphia is on the list.

And as the governor of Pennsylvania, what are the options?

而作為賓夕法尼亞州的州長，有哪些選項？

Because certainly governors of Illinois and governors of Minnesota and governors of California said, get out of here.

因為像伊利諾州、明尼蘇達州和加州的州長都說了，滾出去。

You have to have given this some thought.

What is the response, you believe of a governor now in the face of what is an attempt to foment fear?

面對這種企圖製造恐慌的行為，你認為州長會如何回應？

We've given it a lot of consideration and we have spent hours and hours and hours doing, quite literally, tabletop exercises to prepare for it.

我們已經仔細考慮過，花了好幾個小時，進行了無數次的桌面演練來做準備。

It is a sad day in America that a governor of a commonwealth needs to prepare for a federal onslaught where they would send troops in to undermine the freedoms and the constitutional rights of our citizens.

在美國，一位聯邦政府試圖派兵來破壞我們公民的自由和憲法權利的聯邦攻擊，州長卻需要為此做準備，這真是 sad day。

I want the good people of Pennsylvania to know, I want the American people to know that we will do everything in our power to protect them from the federal overreach.

我想讓賓夕法尼亞州的好人們知道，我想讓美國人民知道，我們會盡一切努力保護他們，免受聯邦政府的越權。

There is such a thing as the 10th amendment.

I believe the federal government is violating that.

In Minnesota, we will stand tall and not allow them to violate it.

在明尼蘇達州，我們會堅定立場，不讓他們違反它。

In Pennsylvania, we'll defend the people here and we will stand up to this federal overreach.

在賓夕法尼亞州，我們會捍衛這裡的民眾，也會挺身對抗聯邦政府的越權。

We're right back with more Governor Josh Shapiro, everybody.

馬上回來，繼續聽 Josh Shapiro 州長分享，大家掌聲鼓勵！