Name: 珍芳達揭露！「界線正在被跨越，這已經夠了！」——談美國滑向極權主義的危機！ ("Lines Are Being Crossed, And It's Enough!" - Jane Fonda On America's Slide Into Authoritarianism)
Uploaded: 2026-01-22T17:11:58.000Z
Duration: 8 min 47 s

My first guest this evening is a two time Academy Award winner and outspoken political activist.

我今晚的第一位來賓，是兩屆奧斯卡金像獎得主，也是一位直言不諱的政治行動者。

She just relaunched the Committee for the First Amendment.

她剛重新啟動了第一修正案委員會。

Please welcome back to the late show, Jane Fonda.

Somebody might be listening to this on the podcast tomorrow.

明天可能有人會在 Podcast 上聽到這個。

You're wearing a T shirt that says resist right now.

你現在穿著一件寫著「抵抗」的 T 恤。

And as part of that idea, you're for folks at home who may not know about this yet.

還有，對於在家裡可能還不知道這件事的各位，

What is the Committee for the First Amendment and why did you feel it was important to restart it?

什麼是第一修正案委員會，為什麼你覺得重新啟動它很重要？

In the late 40s and early 50s, Joseph McCarthy in the 50s and the House on American Activities Committee in the late 40s tried to destroy, they hunted down people that they suspected were anti American.

在 40 年代末和 50 年代初，約瑟夫·麥卡錫在 50 年代，以及美國眾議院非美活動調查委員會在 40 年代末，試圖摧毀，他們追捕那些他們懷疑是反美的人。

And of course they always start with the universities, the educational system and artists because we get into people's heads, we can affect how people think.

當然，他們總是從大學、教育體系和藝術家開始，因為我們會進入人們的腦海，我們可以影響人們的想法。

你知道，我們可以樹立勇氣的榜樣。

Yeah, and so they destroyed, you know, they put people in prison and destroyed careers.

對，然後他們就摧毀了，你知道，他們把人關進監獄，毀掉他們的事業。

And so a group in Hollywood, my father was a part of it, Henry Fonda.

然後好萊塢有一群人，我爸爸也是其中一員，亨利·方達。

這裡有一張他們其中一些人的照片。

This is the committee for the First Amendment in D.C. on October of 1947.

這是第一修正案委員會在 1947 年 10 月於華盛頓特區的照片。

Among the people in this photo are your dad also.

這張照片裡的人，包括你爸爸嗎？

Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Danny Cade, John Huston, Paula Reed.

亨弗萊·鮑嘉、勞倫·白考兒、丹尼·凱、約翰·休斯頓、葆拉·雷德。

Well, they had a radio show called Hollywood Fights Back and I think we have a, we got a recording from one of their shows.

嗯，他們有個廣播節目叫做「好萊塢反擊」，我想我們有，我們拿到了一個他們節目的錄音。

Do you want to set this up and let us know who this is?

你想設定一下，然後告訴我們這是誰嗎？

Yeah, well, so we found this recording because we, well, we relaunched the committee on October 1st.

對，嗯，所以我們找到這個錄音，因為我們，嗯，我們在 10 月 1 日重新啟動了委員會。

You know, any government is held up by pillars of Support.

你知道，任何政府都由支持的支柱支撐著。

And the government or the regime is only as strong as the pillars of support.

而政府或政權，就像支持的支柱一樣堅強。

And we want to remove the Entertainment Committee as a pillar of support.

我們要移除娛樂委員會這個支持的支柱。

But there's bankers, there's army, there's caregivers, there's women.

但有銀行家、軍隊、照護者、女性。

每個人都是某個支柱的一部分。

And so we said, okay, we have to organize our community so that we stand up and fight for our freedoms.

所以我們說，好吧，我們必須組織我們的社群，這樣我們才能站起來為我們的自由而戰。

But, you know, First Amendment, it's speech.

但你知道，第一修正案，就是言論。

It's freedom of assembly, of freedom of religion, freedom of the press and freedom to protest.

這是集會自由、宗教自由、出版自由和抗議自由。

而且，你知道，他們在那裡反擊了。

We have this recording, and you have a. Yeah, we have Judy Garland's voice.

我們有這個錄音，你還有一個。對，我們有茱蒂·嘉蘭的聲音。

It's Judy Garland protesting the attacks on the First Amendment.

這是茱蒂·嘉蘭在抗議對第一修正案的攻擊。

Garland talking about the goals of the committee.

Are there any newspapers lying on the floor?

It's always been your right to read or see anything you wanted to, but

你一直都有權利隨心所欲地閱讀或觀看任何你想看的東西，但是

now it seems to be getting kind of complicated.

For the past week in Washington, the House Committee on UN American Activities has been investigating the film industry.

過去一週在華盛頓，美國眾議院非美活動調查委員會一直在調查電影產業。

Now, I have never been a member of any political organization, but I've been following this investigation, and

不過，我從來沒有參加過任何政治組織，但我一直有在關注這次的調查，

There are a lot of stars here to speak to you.

這裡有很多明星要跟你們說說話。

沒錯，但我們同時也是美國公民。

It's one thing if someone says we're not good actors.

如果有人說我們不是好演員，那是一回事。

這會讓人受傷，但我們承受得住。

It's something else again to say we're not good Americans.

但如果說我們不是好美國人，那就是另一回事了。

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