Name: 川普：專訪曝光後，威爾斯仍將續任白宮幕僚長！ (Trump says Wiles will remain chief of staff after explosive interview)
Uploaded: 2025-12-18T06:56:10.000Z
Duration: 7 min 36 s

Moments ago, President Trump giving White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles a public vote of confidence, saying she's doing a great job.

幾分鐘前，川普總統公開表示信任白宮幕僚長 Susie Wiles，稱讚她做得非常出色。

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When asked whether she would remain in that job after, Wiles delivered a series of rather revealing and blunt assessments of Trump and his agenda and some of his closest allies in 11 rather candid interviews he did with Vanity Fair writer Chris Whipple.

當被問及她是否會繼續擔任這個職位時，Wiles 在接受《浮華世界》記者 Chris Whipple 的 11 次坦誠訪談中，對川普、他的議程以及他的一些最親近的盟友，做出了一系列相當坦率且具揭露性的評估。

Among the shocking quotes, Wiles described Trump as having an alcoholic's personality.

在令人震驚的引述中，Wiles 形容川普有著酒精成癮者的個性。

He called Vice President J.D. vance a conspiracy theorist and has turned to MAGA as sort of political.

他稱副總統 J.D. Vance 為陰謀論者，並將 MAGA 視為一種政治性的。

She was also critical of parts of the tariff and deportation agenda, two of Trump's signature policies, and

她也批評了川普的兩個標誌性政策，即關稅和驅逐出境議程的部分內容，

以及昨天我們報導的更多內容。

Vanity Fair writer Chris Whipple joins us now.

《浮華世界》記者 Chris Whipple 現在加入我們的行列。

So two of the most consequential revelations from your interviews is that one, Weil said these strikes on alleged drug votes is about regime change in Venezuela, and

所以，你訪談中最具影響力的兩項揭露是，第一，Weil 說這些針對所謂毒品投票的打擊是為了委內瑞拉的政權更迭，

two, that the prosecution against Letitia James might be considered political retribution.

第二，對 Letitia James 的起訴可能被視為政治報復。

Both of those could have huge impacts geopolitically in one case and politically in the other.

這兩件事，一個可能在地緣政治上，另一個在政治上，都會產生巨大的影響。

Why do you think she was so candid with you?

你覺得她為什麼對你這麼坦率？

Yeah, it was really stunning to me, Jake, over 11 interviews, almost a year of speaking to her, you know, there's been a lot of speculation about why she would talk to me, theories that she had some Machiavellian plot to set herself up for the post Trump career.

是啊，這真的讓我感到震驚，Jake，在 11 次訪談中，將近一年的時間與她交談，你知道，關於她為何會跟我談，一直有很多猜測，有人認為她有什麼權謀的計畫，是為了她川普卸任後的職涯鋪路。

I think, frankly, that it's much simpler than that.

我認為，坦白說，事情比這簡單多了。

I think that she thought, she told me, at any rate, that she felt that Trump during his first term had been vilified by the media, he'd gotten a terrible shake, and

我認為她覺得，至少她告訴我是這樣，她覺得川普在第一個任期內被媒體抹黑了，他受到很不公平的對待，而且

she thought I would give her a fair hearing.

她認為我會給她一個公平的聽證。

And I honestly think that's why she spoke to me.

我真的認為這就是她跟我談的原因。

And for people who don't know, you have literally written the book about White House chiefs of staff.

而且對於不知道的人，你確實寫過關於白宮幕僚長的一切。

You are the world expert on White House chiefs of staff.

你是白宮幕僚長的世界級專家。

So going with you is not really all that odd.

所以跟你合作其實沒那麼奇怪。

We've seen so many of the officials Wiles was critical of in her interviews with you rally on social media to support her after the Vanity Fair article was published.

我們看到許多 Wiles 在訪談中批評過的官員，在《浮華世界》文章刊登後，都在社群媒體上聲援她。

And one example, Attorney General Pam Bondi, who Wiles accused of having completely whiffed on handling the Epstein files.

其中一個例子是總檢察長 Pam Bondi，Wiles 指控她在處理 Epstein 案時完全搞砸了。

What did you make of all of that rallying around her?

你對這些聲援她的行為有什麼看法？

And in fact, I think that I've described her as the most powerful person in the White House other than Trump himself.

事實上，我認為我曾形容她是白宮裡除了川普本人之外，最有權勢的人。

They have a bond he trusts her in a way that he never trusted any of her predecessors, Reince Priebus and the rest of the gang in the first term.

他們之間有種連結，他信任她的方式，是他第一任期內從未信任過 Reince Priebus 或其他人的方式。

So I think they know that she has Trump's trust.

所以我認為他們知道她有川普的信任。

They know that when she opens her mouth, she speaks for Trump.

他們知道她一開口，就是在代表川普說話。

And as you noticed, it's not very often that the President goes out and confirms your reporting, but

而且你注意到，總統很少會出來證實你的報導，但

you'll notice that he said, yeah, I do have an alcoholic's personality.

你會注意到他說，是的，我確實有酒精成癮者的個性。

And J.D. vance also said that he and she had talked about his being a conspiracy theorist.

J.D. Vance也說過，他和她談過他是一個陰謀論者。

The photographer for the article, Christopher Anderson, he's receiving some criticism, especially from Trump allies and conservatives, for some of the close up photographs he took.

這篇文章的攝影師 Christopher Anderson，他因為拍了一些特寫照片，正受到一些批評，尤其是來自川普的盟友和保守派的批評。

Anderson told the Independent newspaper about that criticism, quote, very close up portraiture has been a fixture in a lot of my work over the years, particularly political portraits that I've done over the years.

Anderson 告訴《獨立報》關於這些批評，他說：「多年來，非常近距離的肖像攝影一直是我許多作品的特色，特別是我多年來拍攝的政治肖像。」

I like the idea of penetrating the theater of politics.

我喜歡深入政治舞臺這個想法。

What's your take on this controversy and people at the White House feeling as though the photographs made them look bad?

你對這場爭議有什麼看法？白宮的人是否覺得這些照片讓他們看起來很糟？

I think the important thing to stress here, at least from my point of view, is that there were no surprises here.

我認為在這裡強調的重點，至少從我的角度來看，是沒有什麼令人驚訝的。

You know, they knew full well that Chris Anderson was going to be the photographer.

你知道，他們很清楚 Chris Anderson 將是攝影師。

And in fact, they even were shown his portfolio before he was assigned.

事實上，他們在他被指派之前就看過他的作品集了。

And he's not a typical glamour photographer, as it were.

而且，他並不是一個典型的 glamour 攝影師，可以這麼說。

And so I think, you know, when you sit for portraits with a photographer for Vanity Fair, you take your chances.

所以我想，你知道，當你為《浮華世界》的攝影師拍攝肖像照時，你就得冒點風險。

And congratulations on all the attention that your interview and your article has received.

恭喜你的訪談和文章獲得這麼多關注。

I want to talk about the Vanity Fair story in which Chris Whipple did 11 interviews with Susie Wiles.

我想聊聊《浮華世界》那篇報導，Chris Whipple 總共採訪了 Susie Wiles 十一次。

So she didn't just stumble stupidly into 11 interviews.

所以她不是笨手笨腳地接受了 11 次採訪。

There's no more experienced operator than Susie Wiles.

沒有比 Susie Wiles 更老練的操盤手了。

And then she said all these things about Pam Bondi whiffing and JD Vance being a conspiracy theorist who turned for political reasons.

然後她說了所有關於 Pam Bondi 搞砸了、JD Vance 是個因為政治原因而變節的陰謀論者。

關於 Ross Vogt，是個右翼狂熱份子。

And then, you know, they then all after she said that, I guess they didn't know that at the time.

然後，你知道的，在她說了那些話之後，我猜他們當時並不知道。

They're standing there getting their pictures taken for their Vanity Fair now.

他們現在正站在那裡拍《浮華世界》的照片。

You know, did you foresee what is the kind of splash that this made coming at that time?

你知道，你預見到當時這件事會引起這麼大的轟動嗎？

I don't think you can ever predict when lightning strikes.

我覺得你永遠無法預測閃電何時會擊中。

But, you know, Vanity Fair has a long history of going to the White House.

不過，你知道，《浮華世界》在採訪白宮方面有著悠久的歷史。

Tina Brown writes in her diaries about the moment when she got the Reagan stomp cover and holding her breath because it was happening.

蒂娜·布朗在她的日記中寫道，她當時獲得了雷根的封面照，並且屏息以待，因為這件事正在發生。

And then subsequently, we visited almost every administration since Annie Leibovitz did an incredible portfolio of the first Bush administration, Bush 2.

之後，自從安妮·萊柏維茲為老布希政府和老布希二世拍攝了令人驚豔的攝影集以來，我們幾乎拜訪了每一個政府。

And that I was thinking about when I got this job six months ago.

這也是我在六個月前開始這份工作時一直在思考的。

And so when Chris Whipple came around in August, a couple months after I got the job, and

所以，當克里斯·惠普爾在八月，也就是我上任幾個月後出現，

said he'd been talking to Susie and that she was excited to do a story, we said, yes, she was excited that it was Vanity Fair.

說他跟蘇西談過了，她很期待寫一篇報導，我們就說，是的，她很高興是《浮華世界》。

We went down, did our shoot, and we got a scoop.

我們下去拍了照，並且獲得了一個獨家新聞。

I assume after reading it that this was done to paint overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative about the President and our team.

我猜，在讀了之後，這樣做是為了描繪一幅關於總統和我們團隊極度混亂且負面的敘事。

To paint an overwhelmingly chaotic and negative narrative?

是為了描繪一幅極度混亂且負面的敘事？

No, we did it because it's an amazing story.

不，我們這樣做是因為這是一個很棒的故事。

And she was giving us access in terms of the context.

而且她給了我們採訪的機會，提供了相關的背景。

It's a 9,500 word story that we published in two parts.

這是一篇 9,500 字的故事，我們分兩部分刊登。

And it also has an editor's letter that I wrote, kind of a diary of the day at the White House.

還有我寫的編輯信，有點像是白宮一日日記。

And I think if you just cherry pick the, you know, the aggregated quotes, I can see why someone would think that.

我想如果你只挑選那些，你知道的，彙整起來的引述，我能理解為什麼有人會這麼想。

But if you read it, there's plenty of context.

但如果你讀了，裡面有足夠的背景資訊。

It shows what's happening in the White House and in the world.

它呈現了白宮和世界上正在發生的事。

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