Name: 超吸睛！強尼·馬爾獨家專訪麥特·強森！ (The The promo: Johnny Marr interviews Matt Johnson)
Uploaded: 2025-12-13T04:34:02.000Z
Duration: 16 min 14 s

所以這個版本的 Uncertain Smile 是。

Yeah, the original 7 inch single and as a 12 inch single recorded in New York in 1982.

對，原始的 7 吋單曲，還有 1982 年在紐約錄製的 12 吋單曲。

Well, from the moment I stepped off the plane, I felt more at home there than I did in London.

嗯，我一下飛機就覺得那裡比倫敦更有家的感覺。

Quite a beautiful sort of sentiment, isn't it, really?

Dave Johansson playing on Perfect and Jules Holland playing on a version of Uncertain Smile.

Dave Johansson 演奏〈Perfect〉，Jules Holland 演奏〈Uncertain Smile〉的版本。

You're already starting to get into collaborations.

Am I right in thinking there was like an umbrella?

我是不是猜對了，那裡有個傘？

A lot of it was to do with probably a certain amount of shyness.

很多原因可能是因為有點害羞。

And I purposely distanced myself a lot by using the band name and choosing that band name because it was very anonymous anyway.

而且我故意用樂團名稱來保持距離，選擇那個樂團名稱是因為它本來就很匿名。

What were you going for with Infected when you started to get the idea together as a whole thing?

當你開始構思 Infected 這個整體時，你想要達到什麼目標？

Wanted to write something extremely political.

想要寫一些極具政治性的東西。

I was feeling really pissed off about, you know, the Thatcher era was starting to grip hard and I was feeling pretty affected by that.

我當時真的非常生氣，你知道的，柴契爾時代開始緊縮，我深受影響。

And her relationship with Ronald Reagan, increasing demonization, say, Islamic fundamentalists.

以及她和雷根的關係，越來越妖魔化的說法，像是伊斯蘭原教旨主義者。

That conflict between Christians and Islam was like a new holy war.

基督徒和伊斯蘭教之間的衝突就像是一場新的聖戰。

This morning Caption hold up, hold up there's no time for making all hands on welcome Back Christmas.

今天早上船長廣播，等等，沒時間了，全體注意，歡迎回到聖誕節。

I mean, in fact, it really blew everybody away when it came out.

說真的，這東西剛出來的時候真的讓大家驚豔。

No one had ever heard a sound like it before because it was.

以前從沒聽過這樣的聲音，因為它是。

But still, it had those sort of your influences, maybe harking back from the Glitter Band, even.

不過，它還是有那種，或許是來自 Glitter Band 的影響，甚至是。

But the drums are very loud and it's a very bombastic sort of sounding.

但鼓聲非常響亮，聽起來很氣派。

This thing rocks, you know, it really rocks as a record.

You were pretty young to take on a project that big, though, weren't you?

不過你當時年紀輕輕就接下這麼大的案子，對吧？

My 25th birthday was when I was in Peru, I think when we were filming.

我25歲生日時，我記得當時在祕魯，我們正在拍片。

I got too much energy to switch out my mind and not enough to get myself organized.

我精力充沛到無法轉換思緒，卻又不足以讓我好好整理自己。

My heart is heavy My head is confused My aching little soul has started burning blue I can't give you up Till I got my running up so that's me with your no hope Mess me into sickness Nurse me back to hell and I may win the gift of a nightmare.

我心好沉，腦袋好亂，我痛苦的小靈魂開始燃燒藍火，我無法放棄你，直到我奮起直追，這就是我對你的絕望，讓我病入膏肓，再把我治癒回地獄，或許我能贏得惡夢的恩賜。

Things like Heartland, you know, old iron bridges and Victorian parks and just Loved all those elements of Britain, that sense of decayed splendor.

像是心靈故鄉那樣的東西，你知道的，老鐵橋和維多利亞式公園，就是喜歡英國的那些元素，那種衰敗的華麗感。

But I suppose there's that idealized notion of, you know, Britain being a very strong, distinct, independent, relevant country and just seeing it, lose it.

但我想，那裡有個理想化的概念，你知道的，英國是一個非常強大、獨特、獨立、有影響力的國家，只是看著它，失去它。

All over the world you go, people complain about the same thing.

放眼全世界，人們抱怨的都是同一件事。

I just think it's unhealthy for the world.

我只是覺得這對世界來說很不健康。

You know, I like diversity, cultural diversity.

你知道的，我喜歡多元，文化多元。

We all travel around the world, we're all pollinating Western culture wherever we go.

我們走遍全世界，到哪裡都在傳播西方文化。

That was meant to be the first single off of Mindbomb.

那原本是要收錄在 Mindbomb 這張專輯裡的第一首單曲。

The problem was a week or two before that was due to be released, the whole Salman Rushdies Satanic Verses controversy and the fat bar.

問題是，在它發行前一兩個星期，發生了關於 Salman Rushdie 的《魔鬼詩篇》爭議和那個禁令。

I suppose people have forgotten how serious that thing was because there was death threats against newscasters that were commenting on anything to do with Islam.

我猜大家可能忘了那件事有多嚴重，因為當時有新聞播報員因為評論任何跟伊斯蘭教有關的事情而收到死亡威脅。

One thing people don't realize about that I've had to talk about with that band is that band were very close, weren't we?

有一件事大家可能沒意識到，我必須跟那個樂團談論的，就是那個樂團感情很好，對吧？

I mean, we were as much of a band as any band I've been in can be.

我的意思是，我們就像我待過的任何樂團一樣，是個很棒的樂團。

And also just the amount of fun that we had in the studio, so.

而且我們在錄音室裡也玩得很開心。

We had a lot of energy though, didn't we?

The words sit ill upon their tongues when they tell us justice is being done and freedom lives in the barrels of a war gun the beaten generation the beaten generation Reared on a D of prejudice and misinformation the beaten generation the beaten generation Open your eyes Open your imagination.

當他們告訴我們正義得到伸張、自由存在於戰爭的槍管中時，這些話語聽起來很不對勁；被擊垮的一代，被擊垮的一代，在偏見和錯誤資訊的泥沼中長大，被擊垮的一代，被擊垮的一代；睜開你們的眼睛，打開你們的想像力。

And that song was particularly the video really captured, which is what I was saying about getting away from those sort of me being an actor just to capturing a performance.

而那首歌特別是影片真的捕捉到的，這就是我說的，擺脫那種我只是個演員，而是捕捉表演。

And I've just really loved the performance we got.

而且我真的很喜歡我們得到的表演。

And then we got the aircraft hanger heaters.

然後我們弄來了飛機棚用的暖氣。

So we had two gigantic heaters full blast.

所以我們開了兩臺巨大的暖氣全速運轉。

I remember James worried that his guitar was.

The music cranked up and that really, to me, captured at the live shows.

音樂開到最大聲，對我來說，這真的捕捉到了現場演出的感覺。

Here they come the dogs are lost out of my mind into my life Somebody should be here to hold me Somebody should be here to show me show me when you're lustful when you're lonely and the heat is rising Rising slowly.

牠們來了，狗兒們從我腦海中跑出來，進入我的生活，有人應該在這裡牽著我，有人應該在這裡告訴我，告訴我當你慾火焚身、當你孤單、熱氣正在升高，緩慢升高。

But of course, then there's the film that we made at the end of Dusk, which was From Dusk till Dawn.

不過當然，還有我們在《黎明前惡魔》結束時拍的電影，也就是《殺出個黎明》。

I thought it was better than the Infected.

That was a very intense experience because we went on the Mystery Tour with Tim, you know, doing the slow motion replay video bit where the guy breaks into tears.

那是一次非常緊張的經驗，因為我們跟 Tim 一起去了 Mystery Tour，你知道，做了那個慢動作重播影片，那個男人哭出來的片段。

But we went back a while ago and he died shortly after that.

但我們前陣子回去，他之後不久就過世了。

As we were standing around watching that, I mean, everybody.

當我們站在那裡看著那段影片時，我的意思是，每個人。

Everybody knows what's going wrong with the world But I don't even know what's going on in my sail.

每個人都知道世界發生了什麼錯事，但我甚至不知道我的航行發生了什麼事。

Everybody knows what's going on with the world.

每個人都知道世界上正在發生什麼事。

I don't even know what's going on in my shame.

我甚至不知道我的羞恥心發生了什麼事。

Love is stronger than death Sort of felt.

愛比死亡更強大，感覺有點像。

It felt sort of classic when we were doing it, didn't it?

我們在做的時候感覺有點經典，不是嗎？

It was a hard song to write because of the subject matter, but I was very, very happy.

這首歌因為題材很難寫，但我非常、非常高興。

The version that we did, it really perfectly captured what I was trying to say.

我們做的這個版本，完美地捕捉了我想要表達的。

You know, we were doing Dust with the band and I remember loving it.

你知道，我們當時和樂團一起做 Dust，我還記得我超愛。

And for me, it's my favorite album that I've ever been on.

對我來說，這是我參與過最喜歡的專輯。

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