Name: 聯邦調查局：嫌犯寫道他有 "機會幹掉 "柯克 (FBI: Suspect wrote he had 'opportunity to take out' Kirk)
Uploaded: 2025-09-16T11:49:34.000Z
Duration: 7 min 17 s

Authorities are investigating the killing of the conservative political activist, Charlie Kirk.

當局正在調查保守派政治活動家查理-柯克遇害案。

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The 22-year-old suspect in the case, Tyler Robinson, is scheduled to appear in a Utah courtroom tomorrow.

該案的 22 歲嫌疑人泰勒-羅賓遜（Tyler Robinson）定於明天在猶他州法庭出庭受審。

The FBI revealing that the suspect wrote a note before the shooting saying he had the opportunity to take out Kirk and planned to act.

聯邦調查局透露，嫌疑人在開槍前寫了一張紙條，稱他有機會幹掉柯克，並計劃付諸行動。

Joining us now is CNN senior law enforcement analyst and former FBI deputy director, Andrew McCabe.

現在加入我們的是CNN資深執法分析師、前聯邦調查局副局長安德魯-麥凱布（Andrew McCabe）。

So Andrew, I want to play some of what director Kash Patel said just this morning.

安德魯，我想播放一下卡什-帕特爾導演今天早上說的話。

The suspect wrote a note saying I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.

嫌犯寫了一張紙條，說我有機會幹掉查理-柯克，我要抓住這個機會。

That note was written before the shooting.

那張紙條是在槍擊案發生之前寫的。

Evidence of existence, we now have learned, existed before the shooting, was in the location in the suspect and partner's home.

我們現在瞭解到，這些證據在槍擊案發生之前就已經存在，而且就在嫌疑人和同夥家中。

But we have since learned that the note, even though it has been destroyed, we have found forensic evidence of the note and we have confirmed what that note says because of our aggressive interview posture at the FBI.

但我們後來瞭解到，儘管紙條已被銷燬，但我們還是找到了紙條的法醫證據，而且由於我們在聯邦調查局採取了積極的訪談姿態，我們證實了紙條上的內容。

So help us understand what that means exactly.

所以，請幫助我們理解這到底意味著什麼。

I'm not sure what aggressive interview posture means.

我不知道積極的面試姿態意味著什麼。

It's not something I'm familiar with, but what the director is basically saying is their investigation, which has spent a good deal of time apparently focusing on the shooter's residence, which he shared with the person I think he's referred to as his partner.

這不是我熟悉的東西，但導演基本上是說，他們的調查，顯然花了大量的時間集中在槍手的住所，他與人共享，我認為他被稱為他的合作伙伴。

We're told from Utah state officials that that person has been very cooperative, seems to be the only witness that they've identified as being continually cooperative.

猶他州官員告訴我們，那個人一直非常合作，似乎是他們確認的唯一一個持續合作的證人。

And that person we know has shared access to their computer and phone devices with the investigators.

我們知道這個人與調查人員共享了他們的電腦和手機設備。

And I would suspect that that access led them to be able to recover messages that were exchanged between the two of them that had been deleted, but not permanently removed from their devices.

我猜測，這種訪問權限使他們能夠恢復他們兩人之間交換的資訊，這些資訊已經被刪除，但並沒有從他們的設備中永久刪除。

So that's great evidence, but it is evidence of something that we already knew.

是以，這是一個很好的證據，但它是我們已經知道的事情的證據。

We know this person, Tyler Robinson, shot Charlie Kirk, and this just goes to his planning, his premeditation of that act.

我們知道這個叫泰勒-羅賓遜的人 槍殺了查理-柯克 這說明了他的計劃和預謀

Yeah, based on the evidence that they've provided both.

The Utah governor, as you know, Spencer Cox, says the suspect in this case was radicalized in what he's describing as a fairly short amount of time.

猶他州州長斯賓塞-考克斯（Spencer Cox）說，此案中的嫌疑人在他所說的相當短的時間內被激進化。

In your experience, what does that timeline look like and how does it happen?

根據您的經驗，這條時間線是怎樣的？

So Wolf, this is not a satisfying answer, I'm sorry, but it is different for every mass shooter, every school shooter, every terrorist, any individual who is compelled to engage in these radical acts of violence.

是以，沃爾夫，這不是一個令人滿意的答案，我很抱歉，但這對每一個大規模槍殺者、每一個校園槍殺者、每一個恐怖分子、每一個被迫從事這些激進暴力行為的人來說都是不同的。

For whatever reason, they go through their own personal radicalization period.

不管出於什麼原因，他們都會經歷自己的激進期。

Sometimes it's at the encouragement and with the direction of a mentor, a religious figure, someone who is pushing them in that direction.

有時是在導師、宗教人士的鼓勵和指導下，有人在推動他們朝著這個方向前進。

And other times it's entirely solitary, people who spend a lot of time on the internet consuming radical propaganda, whether that's from a terrorist organization or just really extreme violence and points of view that they find on social media.

還有一些時候完全是孤軍奮戰，他們花大量時間在互聯網上進行激進宣傳，無論是來自恐怖組織的宣傳，還是他們在社交媒體上發現的極端暴力和觀點。

So all these things have different impacts on people who are pretty typically isolated, alienated.

是以，所有這些事情都會對那些典型的被孤立、被疏遠的人產生不同的影響。

They have their own grievances that they bring to this radicalization process and all that boils together in a very toxic mixture that leads us to a situation like we had last Wednesday.

他們在激進化過程中也有自己的不滿情緒，所有這些都沸騰在一起，形成一種毒性很強的混合物，導致我們出現上週三那樣的情況。

Right, and we're learning more about the allusions to memes and video games on the bullet cases left behind.

是的，我們正在進一步瞭解留下的子彈殼上有關備忘錄和視頻遊戲的典故。

Walk us through how this sort of dark internet culture radicalizes people.

帶我們瞭解一下這種黑暗的網絡文化是如何讓人們變得激進的。

Yeah, so I mean, there's been so much talk about this in an effort to try to understand this individual's political desires, preference, what have you.

是啊，所以我的意思是，有這麼多的討論，試圖瞭解這個人的政治慾望，偏好，你有什麼。

I think the messages on the bullet casings are really significant when you look at them in this context.

我認為，從這個角度來看，子彈殼上的資訊確實非常重要。

So initially, most of us who are not spending all of our time in video games and video messaging applications and things like that and like really trawling those areas of the very male, very violent, somewhat extreme kind of communities, we read some of the messages on the bullets and they seem to indicate one thing to us.

是以，起初，我們中的大多數人並沒有把所有時間都花在視頻遊戲和視頻資訊應用程序之類的東西上，也沒有真正涉足那些非常男性、非常暴力、有些極端的社區領域，我們閱讀了子彈上的一些資訊，它們似乎向我們表明了一件事。

And then you hear, well, no, in the context of this particular video game, Helldivers, that might mean the opposite.

然後你就會聽到，不，在《地獄潛航者》這款電子遊戲中，這可能是相反的意思。

At the end of the day, none of that is very helpful for investigators.

說到底，這些對調查人員都沒有什麼幫助。

Investigators depend on clear, persuasive, unassailable evidence.

調查人員依靠的是清晰、有說服力、無可辯駁的證據。

And the unassailable evidence in this case is that this young man publicly murdered Charlie Kirk, who was a known, a widely known conservative political figure.

本案中無可辯駁的證據是 這個年輕人公開謀殺了查理-柯克 他是一個眾所周知的保守派政治人物

That is really all we, that's the only thing we need to know at this point.

這就是我們目前唯一需要知道的。

And trying to decipher more detail about his motives from things like the bullet casing messages, I just find it not to be particularly persuasive.

而試圖從彈殼資訊等更多細節來解讀他的動機，我覺得並不特別有說服力。

We do know that the governor has said there is more information about his backgrounds and his political leanings that will be coming out tomorrow when he is charged in court.

我們知道，州長已經表示，關於他的背景和政治傾向的更多資訊將在明天他出庭受審時公佈。

So we'll likely learn some more that'll add to the picture.

是以，我們很可能會了解到更多的情況。

Right, and just to follow up, authorities are alleging he did kill Charlie Kirk.

好吧 我再跟進一下 當局指控他確實殺了Charlie Kirk

The charges are set to be filed tomorrow and then he'll appear in court.

指控將於明天提交，然後他將出庭受審。

But I wanted to get your take on the roommate here because you heard the governor of Utah, Governor Cox, say that the roommate was shocked about this.

但我想聽聽你對室友的看法，因為你聽到猶他州州長考克斯說，室友對此感到震驚。

The roommate has been cooperating with authorities and didn't have any idea this was happening.

室友一直與當局合作，並不知道發生了這樣的事情。

What role do you see the roommate having in this investigation?

你認為室友在這次調查中扮演什麼角色？

I was a bit surprised when, in the initial press conference, when they announced that they had this person in custody, they very quickly talked about not having a prosecutorial interest in the roommate, which I thought was a little bit odd at that early juncture in the investigation.

在最初的新聞發佈會上，當他們宣佈拘留了這個人時，他們很快就談到對室友沒有起訴的興趣，這讓我感到有點驚訝，我覺得在調查的早期階段，這有點奇怪。

The fact that that person is continuing to cooperate is a good sign.

The fact that they haven't been charged yet indicates that investigators haven't found a really clear kind of smoking gun piece of evidence that ties the roommate to the planning or the execution of the shooting.

他們尚未被起訴的事實表明，調查人員還沒有找到真正明確的證據，證明室友與槍擊案的策劃或實施有關。

And so that person may very well stay in this status of cooperating witness.

是以，此人很可能會繼續保持合作證人的身份。

But as the investigation gets deeper and deeper and they start, like we talked about earlier, recovering deleted messages off of devices, it's always possible that their view of this person could change.

但隨著調查越來越深入，他們開始從設備上恢復刪除的資訊，就像我們之前說的，他們對這個人的看法總是有可能改變。

And so I think we have to leave that possibility out there.

是以，我認為我們必須保留這種可能性。

Right now, they seem to be on a pretty clear path helping the authorities, but you really never know where that's gonna end up.

現在，他們似乎在幫助當局，但你永遠不知道最終會發生什麼。

All right, Andrew McCabe, thank you so much.

好的，安德魯-麥凱布，非常感謝。