Name: "唐納德，滾開！公開愛潑斯坦的檔案"- 亞當-希夫參議員 ("Donald, Piss Off. And Release The Epstein Files." - Sen. Adam Schiff)
Uploaded: 2025-07-19T17:22:48.000Z
Duration: 6 min 42 s

Senator, you know who this is, everybody.

參議員，你知道這是誰，每個人。

Okay, we're six months into Trump's second term.

好了，特朗普的第二個任期已經開始六個月了。

Fundamentally, it's different because Donald Trump was much less successful in the first term in creating a climate of fear.

從根本上說，情況之所以不同，是因為唐納德-特朗普在第一任期內製造恐懼氣氛的成功率要低得多。

He wants to make news organizations, CBS and Paramount, afraid.

他想讓新聞機構、哥倫比亞廣播公司和派拉蒙公司害怕。

And more than anything else, he wants to make Republicans in Congress afraid because he wants them to do his will.

更重要的是，他想讓國會中的共和黨人害怕，因為他想讓他們按照他的意願行事。

He wants the judges to be afraid, afraid they'll get impeached if they cross him, afraid for their own personal safety if they cross him.

他想讓法官們害怕，害怕與他作對會被彈劾，害怕與他作對會危及自己的人身安全。

And he has done so in six months, which is radically different than the first term.

而他在六個月內就做到了這一點，這與第一任期截然不同。

In part, it's different because in the first term, there were at least some people to stand up to him, the Secretary Mattis's, the John Kelly's and others that had some stature who were willing to say, Mr. President, that's a stupid ass idea.

部分原因在於，在第一任期內，至少有一些人站出來反對他，馬蒂斯部長、約翰-凱利和其他一些有一定地位的人願意說，總統先生，這是一個愚蠢的想法。

或者說，這是一個不合法的想法。

Or I'm not gonna go along with that idea.

And- And so they didn't have a plan in place.

So last night, the Senate passed something called a rescission bill.

昨晚，參議院通過了一項名為 "撤銷法案 "的議案。

It sounds like a court-ordered appendectomy.

這聽起來像是法院下令進行的闌尾切除術。

Can you explain, what is a rescission bill?

你能解釋一下什麼是撤銷法案嗎？

Yeah, well, first there's the big ugly bill, which was another term that probably many people hadn't heard of called reconciliation, where they massively cut healthcare and they cut food for hungry kids to fund a tax cut for rich people, but not content with that and the harms that's gonna cause, they decided they want a lot of little ugly bills.

是的，首先是醜陋的大法案，這是另一個術語，可能很多人都沒聽說過，叫和解，他們大規模削減醫療保健，削減飢餓兒童的食物，為富人減稅提供資金，但他們並不滿足於此，也不滿足於這會造成的傷害，他們決定要很多醜陋的小法案。

And this rescission bill is a little ugly bill.

這就像是一個小型的和解法案。

It, like the reconciliation bill, only requires 50 votes and the VP, and they can cut further.

它和和解法案一樣，只需要 50 票和副總統，他們就可以進一步削減。

So in this bill that we voted on up till about three in the morning last night, they cut funding for AIDS and tuberculosis and malaria and public broadcasting and NPR.

是以，在我們昨晚一直投票到凌晨三點的這項法案中，他們削減了艾滋病、結核病、瘧疾、公共廣播和全國公共廣播電臺的資金。

And was this money that had already been allocated?

It's money that had already been allocated.

How can, why would Congress take back what they had already passed?

國會怎麼能、為什麼要收回已經通過的決議？

Why are they doing it, especially for things like that?

他們為什麼要這樣做，尤其是為了這樣的事情？

Because Donald Trump has made the Republicans afraid.

因為唐納德-特朗普讓共和黨人害怕了。

But people get into office, I mean, I don't know what your motivations, I'm sure they're very pure, but some people just like the allure of power.

我不知道你的動機是什麼，我相信你的動機很單純，但有些人就是喜歡權力的誘惑。

And it seems like Congress is giving its power away to Donald Trump, that they're reducing their co-equal status.

而國會似乎正在把權力拱手讓給唐納德-特朗普，降低了他們的平等地位。

Congress is absolutely giving its power away.

國會絕對是在把權力拱手相讓。

And in this case, really the most important power we have, which is the power of the purse.

在這種情況下，我們真正擁有的最重要的權力，也就是錢包的權力。

I mean, at the end of the day, what power does Congress have to stop a rogue executive, but to defund them?

我的意思是，歸根結底，國會有什麼權力去阻止一個無賴的行政部門，而不是為他們提供資金？

We have the power if we use it to say, hey, Donald Trump, we're not gonna let you lay off all these people because we're not gonna fund all these things you wanna do.

如果我們用它來告訴別人，嘿，唐納德-特朗普，我們不會讓你解僱這些人，因為我們不會為你想做的所有事情提供資金。

We're not gonna let you, you know, just grab people off the street using agents and masks, demanding people's papers, citizens and non-citizens alike.

我們不會讓你們，你知道的，用特工和麵具在街上抓人，要求人們出示證件，公民和非公民都一樣。

But if we don't use that power, the president can run rogue.

但是，如果我們不使用這種權力，總統就會肆意妄為。

現在，我們為什麼要放棄這種權力？

Why would Republicans in particular give up that power?

尤其是共和黨人，為什麼要放棄這種權力？

Because they're worried about losing their own personal power, that is, their own personal office.

因為他們擔心失去自己的個人權力，也就是自己的個人職位。

Some of them have said that they're worried for their personal safety.

其中一些人說，他們擔心自己的人身安全。

You can't find a member of the House or Senate that hasn't gotten death threats.

你找不到一個眾議院或參議院議員沒有收到過死亡威脅。

You probably can't find many that haven't gotten death threats against their spouses, against their children.

你可能找不到幾個人沒有收到過針對其配偶和子女的死亡威脅。

Well, I would say, I was in Congress for, what, I don't know, 20 years before Trump came along or thereabouts.

好吧，我想說，在特朗普出現之前，我在國會待了20年，我也不知道。

If I got threatened two or three times in 20 years, that was a lot.

如果我在 20 年裡受到兩三次威脅，那就太多了。

If I got threatened two or three times in a week during first Trump, it wasn't very much.

在特朗普第一任期內，如果我一週內受到兩三次威脅，那也不算什麼。

So under Trump, that has just accelerated.

是以，在特朗普的上司下，這一切都加速了。

And of course, now it's not just Democrats getting threatened, it's Republicans getting threatened.

當然，現在不僅民主黨人受到威脅，共和黨人也受到威脅。

And I have to imagine that there are a bunch of Republicans right now getting threatened over the whole Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

我不得不想象，現在有很多共和黨人正因為傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦的事情而受到威脅。

So once you unleash this idea that it's okay to use political violence and threats of violence, it doesn't end up discriminating just against one party.

是以，一旦你釋放出使用政治暴力和暴力威脅是可以的這種想法，最終就不會只歧視一方。

Judges are getting threatened, city councilmen are getting threatened, election workers are getting threatened.

法官受到威脅，市議員受到威脅，選舉工作人員受到威脅。

And so this is all part of this quite deliberate campaign to frighten people into submission.

是以，這一切都是這場相當蓄意的恐嚇活動的一部分。

And the only way to push back on that is to say, piss off, piss off.

唯一的反擊方式就是說，滾開，滾開。

The president, as you know, has been going after me within the last couple of days.

大家都知道，總統最近幾天一直在找我麻煩。

Ever since I led his first impeachment, he's threatened me with jail and prosecution and called me a traitor, accused me of treason, blah, blah,  He coerced Republicans into centering me in the House and now the latest attack on me.

自從我上司了對他的第一次彈劾以來，他就用監禁和起訴來威脅我，稱我為叛徒，指控我叛國，等等等等，他脅迫共和黨人把我放在眾議院的中心位置，現在又對我發動了最新的攻擊。

So I just want to direct this, if this is the right camera or maybe that's the right camera.

所以，我只是想指導一下，如果這臺攝影機是正確的，或者那臺攝影機是正確的。

Oh, oh, but, I, I, but Donald, before you piss off, would you release the Epstein files?

哦，哦，但是，我，我，但是唐納德，在你滾蛋之前，你會公佈愛潑斯坦的檔案嗎？

Senator, thank you so much for being here.

We'll be right back with one of the stars of Superman, Anthony Kerrigan.

我們馬上回來採訪《超人》的主演之一，安東尼-凱瑞根。