Name: 以色列總理：我們將向德黑蘭暴君索取全部代價" | DW News (Israeli PM: 'We will exact the full price from the tyrants in Tehran' | DW News)
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I'm Brent Goff, it's good to have you with us.

我是布倫特-戈夫，很高興你能和我們在一起。

We begin with the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

我們從以色列和伊朗之間不斷升級的衝突開始。

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that the, quote, tyrants in Iran will pay the full price for the latest round of missile strikes across Israel.

以色列總理本雅明-內塔尼亞胡（Benjamin Netanyahu）說，伊朗暴君將為最近一輪對以色列的飛彈襲擊付出全部代價。

A major hospital in the south and parts of the Tel Aviv skyline have been hit with emergency services reporting that dozens of people have been injured.

南部一家大型醫院和特拉維夫的部分天際線遭到襲擊，緊急服務部門報告說有數十人受傷。

This morning, the largest hospital in southern Israel became a danger zone.

今天上午，以色列南部最大的醫院變成了危險區。

Around 7am local time, sirens, then explosions from intercepted missiles rang out across

當地時間早上 7 點左右，警報聲和飛彈被攔截後產生的爆炸聲響徹雲霄。

但並不是所有的人都能被阻止。

Smoke poured from the roof of the Soraka hospital, which provides medical services to around a million people.

索拉卡醫院屋頂濃煙滾滾，該醫院為約一百萬人提供醫療服務。

While inside, first responders called out for survivors and surveyed the damage.

在室內，急救人員呼喚倖存者，並勘察受損情況。

The damage caused is extensive and significant, primarily to the structure that sustained the direct hit, and therefore we want to be cautious.

所造成的破壞是廣泛而嚴重的，主要是對遭受直接撞擊的結構造成的破壞，是以我們要謹慎行事。

As long as we do not receive the necessary approvals that the structure is safe and not at risk of collapsing, we are currently not entering except for surgical rescue operations with an emphasis on saving lives.

只要我們沒有獲得必要的準許，證明該建築是安全的，沒有倒塌的危險，我們目前就不會進入，除非是以拯救生命為重點的外科救援行動。

Iranian state media is reporting the target was a military site near the hospital, rather than the hospital itself.

伊朗國家媒體報道，目標是醫院附近的一個軍事地點，而不是醫院本身。

Further north, in Halon and Tel Aviv, several residential buildings were struck.

再往北，在哈龍和特拉維夫，有幾棟居民樓遭到襲擊。

We still have a lot of work behind me as you can see, extracting patients from all the buildings, going door from door.

如你所見，我們後面還有很多工作要做，要從所有大樓裡把病人救出來，挨家挨戶地去做。

Our teams are together with the fire department and front command trying to get people out of their houses.

我們的小組正與消防隊和前線指揮部一起，努力把人們從房子裡救出來。

You can see the house behind me is still on fire.

你可以看到我身後的房子還在著火。

Israel's defence minister accused Iran of war crimes, and along with Prime Minister

以色列國防部長指責伊朗犯有戰爭罪，並與以色列總理

Netanyahu, ordered the military to increase the intensity of their attacks on Iran.

內塔尼亞胡命令軍方加大對伊朗的攻擊力度。

Overnight, the Israeli defence forces targeted the nuclear reactor in the area of Arak in

一夜之間，以色列國防軍將阿拉克地區的核反應堆作為目標。

Iran, and struck what it called a nuclear weapons development site in the area of Natanz.

伊朗，並襲擊了位於納坦茲地區的所謂核武器研發基地。

Information out of Iran has been particularly scarce after a prolonged internet shutdown.

在互聯網長期關閉之後，來自伊朗的資訊尤其匱乏。

Iranian authorities claim the internet restrictions are due to security threats.

伊朗當局聲稱，互聯網限制是由於安全威脅。

This woman left Iran through the Turkish border, because she didn't feel safe anymore.

這名婦女從土耳其邊境離開伊朗，因為她覺得不再安全。

It was so scary, I heard a lot of voices at night, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't sleep really, five nights in a row, because I heard a lot of bombs sound near the east of Tehran.

那太可怕了，晚上我聽到很多聲音，我睡不著，真的睡不著，連續五個晚上都睡不著，因為我聽到德黑蘭東部附近有很多炸彈的聲音。

Iranians are now bracing for a longer conflict, as Israel vows to respond even more aggressively.

伊朗人現在正準備迎接一場更長時間的衝突，因為以色列誓言要做出更猛烈的迴應。

The negotiations, we know the Americans don't have too much of an appetite, there's a lot hanging now on what Trump will decide.

我們知道美國人對談判並沒有太大興趣，現在很多事情都懸而未決，就看特朗普會做出什麼決定了。

Is he going to step in, as the Israelis are very much advocating for and pushing for?

他是否會像以色列人極力主張和推動的那樣介入？

Or is he maybe going to lean towards the more diplomatic solution, try to find a way to bring an end to all of this?

或者，他是否會傾向於更多的外交解決方案，試圖找到一種方法來結束這一切？

And what about what we're hearing from Iran?

我們從伊朗聽到的情況又如何呢？

The Supreme Leader says that the country will never compromise or surrender.

最高領袖說，國家絕不會妥協或投降。

I'm wondering, does Iran have the capacity to continue fighting on?

我在想，伊朗有能力繼續戰鬥下去嗎？

Well, this is exactly the assumptions that both sides are working on.

嗯，這正是雙方都在努力的假設。

We're getting into what might become a war of attrition, we're already more than seven days in.

我們正在進入一場可能會成為消耗戰的戰爭，我們已經打了七天多了。

The Israelis were counting on the fact that Iran, because of the fear for the stability of the regime more than anything, would not want this to get too prolonged.

以色列人指望的是，伊朗出於對政權穩定的擔憂，不會希望事態拖得太長。

And they felt like we can out-survive the Iranians, and the Iranians are actually thinking exactly the same about the Israelis, assuming the Israelis are far more vulnerable, trying to sustain, first of all, geographically, it's a very dense part that they managed to hit again and again, civilian infrastructure.

他們覺得我們可以比伊朗人生存得更久，而伊朗人實際上對以色列人也有同樣的想法，他們認為以色列人要脆弱得多，首先，從地理位置上來說，這是一個非常密集的地區，他們設法一次又一次地打擊民用基礎設施。

And they also realize that Israel, trying to maintain an economy, Israel, after 20 months of war in Gaza, would not have the patience to last for too long.

他們也意識到，以色列在加沙經歷了 20 個月的戰爭之後，要想維持經濟，以色列不會有耐心堅持太久。

But it's amazing to see Israeli support for the war is very high.

但令人驚訝的是，以色列人對戰爭的支持率非常高。

Israelis believe, Netanyahu, that it is done for the sake of the defense of Israel and not other motives, unlike what they feel about the war in Gaza, for example.

以色列人認為，內塔尼亞胡這樣做是為了保衛以色列，而不是出於其他動機，這與他們對加沙戰爭的感受不同。

And it seems like both sides are prompting up themselves and their people for a longer stretch.

雙方似乎都在為自己和自己的人民爭取更長的時間。

Speaking of the people, hundreds of Iranians have been killed in Israeli strikes, Israelis, they're coming under Iranian fire.

說到人，數百名伊朗人在以色列的襲擊中喪生，以色列人，他們遭到了伊朗人的炮火襲擊。

Let's, you know, get beyond the keeping score part of this story.

讓我們，你知道的，超越這個故事的記分部分。

Talk to me about the people here who are paying the price.

跟我說說這裡付出代價的人們。

You see, Israelis are, in a way, have been hearing about Iran and the Iranian threats for decades now.

你看，從某種程度上說，以色列人聽說伊朗和伊朗的威脅已經有幾十年了。

And the idea of, OK, let's get it off the table, let's do that, that's one thing that's leading the Israelis through very tough times.

而 "好吧，讓我們把它從談判桌上拿下來，讓我們這麼做 "的想法，正是帶領以色列人度過艱難時期的一個因素。

People in Israel have never experienced such damages so close at home for such a long period.

以色列人民從未在如此近的地方遭受過如此長時間的破壞。

But then, you know, at the same time, it's a message that Israel is, you know, it's a deeper shift in Israeli mindset after October 7th, when they say, we are no longer willing to accept any threats, dormant as they might be, rhetoric as they might be, hyperbolic speech as it might be for the sake of whatever other reasons.

但是，你知道，與此同時，這也傳達了一個資訊，那就是以色列在 10 月 7 日之後，他們的心態發生了更深刻的轉變，他們說，我們不再願意接受任何威脅，不管這些威脅是處於休眠狀態，還是誇誇其談，也不管這些威脅是出於什麼原因。

If you're threatening us, even only by statements, we're not going to tolerate that anymore.

如果你們威脅我們，哪怕只是發表聲明，我們也不會再容忍了。

And it seems like in that aspect, Netanyahu and the Israeli people are at line.

在這方面，內塔尼亞胡和以色列人民似乎是一致的。

The picture in Iran is far more complicated because, of course, it's a very divided country.

當然，伊朗的情況要複雜得多，因為這是一個非常分裂的國家。

You have the people supporting the regime, which are estimated to be actually the minority of the people in Iran, and then you have the rest, the masses, who are not part of that, but they are the immediate victims to that.

支持伊朗政權的人估計只佔伊朗人口的少數，而剩下的人，也就是民眾，雖然不屬於政權的一部分，但他們是政權的直接受害者。

We're talking about hundreds of people who have died.

We're talking about thousands who are injured.

Just imagine, the American president just texting in the middle of the night, please leave Tehran, you know, the panic.

試想一下，美國總統在半夜發短信說，請離開德黑蘭，你知道，那是怎樣的恐慌。

You know, Iran has been suffering from the sanctions, very hard financial strains.

要知道，伊朗一直飽受制裁之苦，財政狀況非常拮据。

The damage, the disruption to the lives of so many people in Iran is so big.

這對伊朗許多人的生活造成了巨大的損害和破壞。

We are, unfortunately, because of the nature of the regime, don't know enough from inside what is happening.

不幸的是，由於該政權的性質，我們對內部發生的事情瞭解不夠。

And also because of the nature of the regime, it's hard for me to imagine this would be anything that will be part of the calculus of the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khomeini.

此外，由於該政權的性質，我很難想象這將成為最高領袖阿亞圖拉-霍梅尼（Ayatollah Khomeini）算計的一部分。

And the fate of both of these people, the Israelis and the Iranians, hangs in the balance right now.

現在，以色列人和伊朗人的命運都懸而未決。

It depends somewhat on the decision that's going to be made by the U.S. president.

這在某種程度上取決於美國總統將要做出的決定。

We're hearing that a decision of whether or not to get involved will be made, what, in the next 48 hours?

我們聽說會在48小時內決定是否介入？

The idea was that, the idea that the Israelis were trying to sell the American president, we've done 90 percent of the job, you've got the last 10, and then you get to get credit for the whole hundred.

以色列人試圖向美國總統兜售的理念是：我們已經完成了90%的工作，你只需要完成最後的10%，然後你就可以獲得整整100%的功勞。

So, basically, they need the Americans to bring what they call the mother of all bombs, the bunker buster bomb, to go through the Fordow nuclear site, which is believed to be the main site still untouched for the Iranian nuclear program.

是以，從根本上說，他們需要美國人攜帶他們所謂的 "炸彈之母"--掩體炸彈--穿過福爾道核基地，而該核基地據信是伊朗核計劃仍未觸及的主要地點。

The problem is that, first of all, there could be many after effects that are out of the

問題在於，首先，可能會有許多後遺症超出了

Americans' hands, and this is exactly what Trump is afraid of.

And now we're also hearing reports that there's a lot of doubt within the Pentagon of how efficient this particular bomb actually is.

現在我們還聽到有報道說，五角大樓內部對這種炸彈的效率有很大的懷疑。

And if this cannot be such a quick, you know, quick in and out, the Americans might not be stepping in.

如果不能如此快速，你知道，快速進出，美國人可能不會介入。

And I think the next, as you said, the next 24 hours are very crucial.

我認為，正如你所說，接下來的 24 小時非常關鍵。

Our Middle East analyst, Shani Rouzanis, as always, Shani, good to have you in the studio.

我們的中東分析員沙尼-魯扎尼斯（Shani Rouzanis），一如既往，沙尼，很高興你能來到演播室。

International diplomatic efforts are underway to de-escalate the conflict between Israel and Iran.

國際外交努力正在緩和以色列與伊朗之間的衝突。

Reports say that a number of European ministers of foreign affairs are planning to hold talks with Iranian representatives in Switzerland as soon as Friday.

報道稱，一些歐洲國家的外交部長計劃最快於週五在瑞士與伊朗代表舉行會談。

Our Europe correspondent, Anshal Vohreh, is following that story for us.

本臺駐歐洲記者 Anshal Vohreh 正在跟蹤報道。

Anshal, so how likely is it that these talks are actually going to take place tomorrow?

安沙爾，明天舉行會談的可能性有多大？

There's a confirmation that has come in from Iran's foreign minister that he is going to be traveling to Geneva tomorrow and meeting foreign ministers of France, Germany, the

伊朗外長證實，他將於明天前往日內瓦，與法國、德國、英國和美國的外長會面。

And he'll also be meeting EU's high representative for foreign affairs, Kayah Callas.

他還將會見歐盟外交事務高級代表卡亞-卡拉斯（Kayah Callas）。

Now, all of this is quite important because this is the first diplomatic meeting since this conflict between Israel and Iran has escalated.

現在，這一切都非常重要，因為這是以色列和伊朗衝突升級以來的首次外交會晤。

It remains to be seen what sort of headway it will make, but the Americans will be in the loop because, according to reports, the British foreign secretary is expected to speak to his American counterpart before the meeting takes place.

會議將取得什麼樣的進展還有待觀察，但美國人將參與其中，因為據報道，英國外交大臣預計將在會議召開前與美國外交大臣通話。

It's also interesting to note that Iran is finally on the table with the Europeans because over the last year or so, as the Iranians and Americans were trying to revive the nuclear deal, even Iranians were sort of opposed to having Europeans on the table because there was this mood there that the Europeans are no good, that they cannot deliver, and that they'd rather just talk straight to Trump.

同樣有趣的是，伊朗終於與歐洲人坐到了談判桌上，因為在過去的一年多時間裡，當伊朗人和美國人試圖重啟核協議時，甚至連伊朗人都有點反對讓歐洲人坐到談判桌上，因為他們有一種情緒，認為歐洲人不行，他們不能兌現承諾，他們寧願直接與特朗普對話。

But now it seems that Europe is back on the table.

但現在，歐洲似乎又回到了談判桌上。

Yeah, that is quite a noticeable change of events, Anshal.

是啊，事情的變化真大，安沙爾。

Do we know exactly what will be on the table in these talks?

What we have learned is that Europeans are going to push for limiting Iran's nuclear program.

我們瞭解到，歐洲人將推動限制伊朗的核計劃。

Remember, the Israeli attack on Iran, the latest Israeli attack on Iran, came a day after an IAEA resolution, which was backed by France, Germany, and the U.K., which said essentially that Iranians were not sharing enough information about their uranium stockpile, they were not allowing enough inspections, and there was widespread concerns, although

請記住，以色列對伊朗的攻擊，以色列對伊朗的最新攻擊，是在國際原子能機構決議通過後的第二天發生的，該決議得到了法國、德國和英國的支持。

Europe is divided on how best to deal with the situation in Iran, and those voices have been heard over the last few days, there is concern over how Iran's nuclear program is evolving.

在如何以最佳方式應對伊朗局勢的問題上，歐洲意見不一，在過去的幾天裡，歐洲聽到了這些聲音，人們對伊朗核計劃的發展感到擔憂。

Now, in the past, when the Obama deal had been signed, the Europeans were backing Iran's right to get back to enrichment later, so the sunset clause would expire, which means that at some point Iran would be able to enrich more uranium and develop its civilian nuclear program.

現在，在過去簽署奧巴馬協議時，歐洲人支持伊朗有權在日後恢復鈾濃縮，是以日落條款將失效，這意味著伊朗將在某個時候能夠濃縮更多的鈾，並發展其民用核項目。

European positions may well have shifted now, and they may push more for an American point of view here, which is zero enrichment or definitely much reduced.

歐洲的立場現在很可能已經轉變，他們可能會更多地支持美國的觀點，即零濃縮或絕對大幅減少濃縮。

Remember, the real concern here is that Iran has increased its uranium enrichment to 60 percent.

請記住，這裡真正令人擔憂的是伊朗已將鈾濃縮度提高到 60%。

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