Name: 特朗普政府稱美國準備簽署烏克蘭礦產協議 | BBC News (US ready to sign Ukraine minerals deal, Trump administration says | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2025-05-03T00:16:50.000Z
Duration: 6 min 17 s

The U.S. says it's ready to sign a much-anticipated resources deal with Ukraine.

美國表示已準備好與烏克蘭簽署一項備受期待的資源協議。

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There's no clarity on when it will be signed, although the Ukrainian economy minister is on her way to Washington.

雖然烏克蘭經濟部長正在前往華盛頓的途中，但何時簽署協議尚不明確。

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The deal is said to provide for a 50-50 joint economic fund between Kiev and Washington.

據說該協議規定基輔和華盛頓各出資 50%建立一個聯合經濟基金。

President Trump was asked this question by journalists at his cabinet meeting.

特朗普總統在內閣會議上被記者問到了這個問題。

The Ukraine minerals deal is about to be signed in the next 24 hours or so.

烏克蘭礦產協議即將在未來 24 小時左右簽署。

And if it's true, has the deal changed at all from the last time we heard about it?

如果這是真的，那麼與我們上次聽到的消息相比，這筆交易有什麼變化嗎？

Well, I'll ask Scott to answer the question because he's responsible for it.

好吧，我請斯科特回答這個問題，因為他要對這個問題負責。

是的，我方已經準備好簽字了。

Ukrainians decided last night to make some last-minute changes.

烏克蘭人昨晚決定在最後一刻做出一些改變。

We're sure that they will reconsider that, and we are ready to sign this afternoon, if they are.

我們相信他們會重新考慮，如果他們重新考慮，我們準備今天下午簽字。

Can you talk about those last-minute changes, what was removed or put into place?

你能談談這些最後時刻的改動嗎？

It's the same agreement that we agreed to on the weekend.

這和我們週末達成的協議是一樣的。

That was Scott Besant, the Treasury Secretary.

And President Trump went on to talk further about the deal and what he's looking for.

特朗普總統接著進一步談到了協議以及他的要求。

I didn't want to make a complicated deal.

I didn't want to make a deal that couldn't be made because Ukraine doesn't have very much money.

我不想做一筆做不成的交易，因為烏克蘭沒有多少錢。

They're going through a very bad period of time.

他們正在經歷一段非常糟糕的時期。

So I said, well, we want something for our efforts beyond what you would think would be acceptable.

於是我說，好吧，我們希望我們的努力能得到超出你認為可以接受的回報。

As you know, we're looking for Rare Earth all the time.

眾所周知，我們一直在尋找稀土。

And we made a deal where our money is secure, where we can start digging and doing what we have to do.

我們達成了協議，我們的錢有了保障，我們可以開始挖掘，做我們該做的事。

It's also good for them because you'll have an American presence at the site, Chris.

克里斯，這對他們也有好處，因為你會在現場看到美國人的身影。

And the American presence will, I think, keep a lot of bad actors out of the country or certainly out of the area where we're doing the digging.

我認為，美國人的存在將使許多壞人遠離這個國家，當然也遠離我們進行挖掘的地區。

So we made a deal and I assume they're going to honour the deal.

所以我們達成了協議，我想他們也會遵守協議。

I put Scott in charge and Scott's done it beautifully, but we haven't really seen the fruits of that deal yet.

我讓斯科特負責，斯科特做得很好，但我們還沒有真正看到這筆交易的成果。

Speaking on Ukrainian national television earlier, Denis Shmihal said the agreement would benefit both parties.

丹尼斯-什米哈爾早些時候在烏克蘭國家電視臺發言時說，該協議將使雙方受益。

We are finalising details with our US colleagues.

我們正在與美國同事敲定細節。

It is a real strategic deal on creating a partnership investment fund.

這是一項關於創建合夥投資基金的真正戰略交易。

It is a good, equal, international deal about joint investments into the development and restoration of Ukraine.

這是一項關於共同投資於烏克蘭發展和復興的良好、平等的國際協議。

As soon as all the details are finalised, in the nearest future, I hope within 24 hours, the deal will be signed.

一旦敲定所有細節，在不久的將來，我希望能在 24 小時內簽署協議。

Now, let's speak to Duncan Wood, who's president of Hearst International Consulting and an expert on critical minerals and energy geopolitics.

鄧肯-伍德（Duncan Wood）是赫斯特國際諮詢公司（Hearst International Consulting）的總裁，也是重要礦產和能源地緣政治方面的專家。

Duncan, thank you very much for joining us.

Why is the United States so keen on striking a deal like this?

美國為何如此熱衷於達成這樣的協議？

I mean, I think that this is a surprise to some people.

我的意思是，我認為這對某些人來說是個驚喜。

Obviously, it's been in the works for a while.

顯然，它已經醞釀了一段時間。

I think the United States is very, very keen on this for a number of reasons.

我認為，出於多種原因，美國非常非常希望這樣做。

President Trump has promised, of course, that he would end the conflict in Ukraine rapidly.

當然，特朗普總統曾承諾將迅速結束烏克蘭衝突。

He's also promised that he'll get the Ukrainians to pay for a lot of the costs of the United States support to Ukraine over the years.

他還承諾，他將讓烏克蘭人支付美國多年來支持烏克蘭的大量費用。

The deal itself, of course, comes just only days after that Trump-Zelensky meeting at the Vatican.

當然，這筆交易本身是在特朗普與澤倫斯基在梵蒂岡會晤後幾天達成的。

It's a huge diplomatic win for Zelensky after that nightmarish visit to the Oval Office a few weeks ago.

幾周前，澤倫斯基對橢圓形辦公室進行了噩夢般的訪問，這對他來說是一次巨大的外交勝利。

And, of course, Trump himself is looking for a diplomatic win at this point in time.

當然，特朗普本人此時也在尋求外交上的勝利。

With the completion of his first 100 days and those less than flattering polls that we've seen come out, this is a big announcement for him.

隨著他第一個百日任期的結束，以及我們看到的那些不太討人喜歡的民調結果，這對他來說是一個重大的消息。

And I guess the context is also important from Russia.

Trump has expressed increasing irritation with Vladimir Putin.

特朗普對弗拉基米爾-普京表示出越來越多的惱怒。

And for the first time, he actually engaged in open criticism of Russia's attacks on Ukraine in recent days.

這也是他第一次公開批評俄羅斯最近幾天對烏克蘭的攻擊。

And now, of course, as we just heard, Trump is talking about a U.S. presence in Ukraine that will deter bad actors.

當然，正如我們剛才所聽到的，特朗普現在正在談論美國在烏克蘭的存在，這將對壞人起到威懾作用。

So this is, I think, a major announcement.

是以，我認為這是一項重大宣佈。

A word of caution with the Trump administration.

You never quite know what's going to happen next.

你永遠不知道接下來會發生什麼。

And there could be many a slip, twist, cup and lip.

可能會有很多滑倒、扭傷、杯弓蛇影和脣槍舌劍。

But it looks like this is going to move ahead.

但看起來這件事會繼續進行下去。

What might the reaction be from Moscow and Beijing, for that matter?

Well, I think there are two different reactions there.

From Moscow, it's going to be very much a sense of deep disappointment that the United States is getting closer to Zelensky and the Ukrainian people.

從莫斯科的角度看，美國與澤連斯基和烏克蘭人民走得更近，會讓人深感失望。

It really does begin to build on the relationship that was there under Biden, which we thought was disappearing.

拜登執政期間，我們曾以為這種關係正在消失，而現在這種關係確實開始建立起來了。

But now it seems as though with that statement about a U.S. presence in Ukraine, that Trump is saying, we want to get closer.

但現在看來，特朗普關於美國在烏克蘭駐軍的聲明似乎是在說，我們想走得更近一些。

We want to actually be part of this situation.

So from Moscow, there's going to be a lot of disappointment and maybe some concern about that.

是以，莫斯科方面會對此感到非常失望，甚至有些擔憂。

Because included in the agreement is the idea of a broader strategic alignment between the United States and Ukraine.

因為協議中包含了美國和烏克蘭之間更廣泛的戰略協調的想法。

I think from China, it's a different reaction.

我認為從中國來說，反應是不一樣的。

This is all part of a broader effort on the part of the United States government to diversify its critical minerals supply chains away from China, where most of the world's critical minerals, if they're not mined, of course, but they are sent there for processing and refining.

這都是美國政府為使其關鍵礦產供應鏈多樣化而做出的更廣泛努力的一部分，而中國是世界上大多數關鍵礦產的供應地，當然，如果這些礦產不是在中國開採的，也會送到中國進行加工和提煉。

Even critical minerals such as rare earths that are extracted here in the United States go to China for processing.

即使是美國本土開採的稀土等重要礦產，也要到中國進行加工。

And so that's part of the deal, which isn't actually discussed.

是以，這也是交易的一部分，但實際上並沒有討論。

Where are these critical minerals going to be processed?

這些重要的礦物質將在哪裡加工？

So the Chinese will be concerned about this.

是以，中國人會對此表示關注。

But for the time being, they maintain a near monopoly on the processing and refining of critical minerals.

但就目前而言，它們幾乎壟斷了關鍵礦物的加工和提煉。

So at the moment, anything that comes out of Ukraine is likely to head to China for processing and refining, maintaining that Chinese stranglehold on the supply chain.

是以，目前烏克蘭出產的任何產品都可能運往中國進行加工和提煉，以保持中國對供應鏈的控制。

Duncan Wood from Hearst International Consulting.

來自赫斯特國際諮詢公司的 Duncan Wood。