Name: 薩爾瓦多總統布凱爾為何如此受特朗普核心圈子的歡迎 | WSJ (Why El Salvador President Bukele Is So Popular With Trump’s Inner Circle | WSJ)
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Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele has become one of the biggest right-wing icons in the world.

薩爾瓦多總統納伊布-布凱萊已成為世界上最大的右翼偶像之一。

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His crackdown on El Salvador's gangs has inspired many in the U.S. conservative movement, especially members of Trump's inner circle.

他對薩爾瓦多黑幫的打擊鼓舞了美國保守派運動中的許多人，尤其是特朗普的核心圈子成員。

A lot of us in the MAGA movement believe that the good ideas we've seen in El Salvador, we can learn from.

我們 MAGA 運動中的很多人都認為，我們在薩爾瓦多看到的好點子值得借鏡。

Bukele has agreed to accept U.S. detainees at El Salvador's mega-prison, making him a key player in Trump's mass deportation strategy.

布凱爾已同意在薩爾瓦多的大型監獄接收美國在押人員，這使他成為特朗普大規模驅逐戰略的關鍵人物。

But concern is growing over Bukele's increasingly close relationship with Trump and many of his allies.

但是，人們對布凱萊與特朗普及其許多盟友日益密切的關係越來越擔心。

Since taking office in 2019, Bukele has helped turn a country that was once the murder capital of the world into one of the safest in Latin America.

自 2019 年上任以來，布凱萊幫助這個曾經是世界謀殺之都的國家變成了拉丁美洲最安全的國家之一。

We did the unthinkable to cleanse our society.

為了淨化我們的社會，我們做了不可思議的事情。

He has jailed over 1% of the population, giving El Salvador the highest incarceration rate in the world.

他監禁了超過 1%的人口，使薩爾瓦多成為世界上監禁率最高的國家。

He also built the world's largest prison, known as Secot.

他還建造了世界上最大的監獄--塞科特監獄。

But the country's transformation hasn't come without criticism.

但是，國家的轉型並非沒有受到責備。

Since 2022, Bukele has ruled under emergency powers that suspend civil liberties, including due process.

自 2022 年以來，布凱萊一直根據緊急權力進行裁決，暫停了包括正當程序在內的公民自由。

Rights groups say his time in office has been marked by an erosion of checks and balances, widespread human rights violations, and arbitrary detentions, along with the weakening of opposition parties and attacks against freedom of expression and independent media.

人權組織稱，在他任職期間，制衡機制遭到削弱，侵犯人權的行為普遍存在，任意拘留、削弱反對黨、攻擊言論自由和獨立媒體等現象層出不窮。

Bukele's press office denied the allegations and said that before Bukele took office, there were widespread human rights abuses by the gangs on law-abiding citizens.

布凱萊的新聞辦公室否認了這一指控，並表示在布凱萊上任之前，黑幫曾廣泛侵犯守法公民的人權。

The president addressed the concerns of rights groups in 2024, saying this.

總統在 2024 年迴應了維權組織的關切，他這樣說道。

They were worried about the human rights of the killers, which, you know, they have human rights.

他們擔心殺手的人權，你知道，他們是有人權的。

But if you have to prioritize, what would you prioritize?

但是，如果你必須分清主次，你會優先考慮什麼？

Damian Merlo has been working with Bukele since 2018 and acts as the president's advisor and his link to D.C.

達米安-梅洛自 2018 年以來一直與布凱萊合作，並擔任總統顧問及其與華盛頓特區的聯繫紐帶。

If people aren't happy, then the next election they can vote for someone else.

如果人們不滿意，那麼下一次選舉時，他們可以投票給其他人。

People are participating at a very high rate in these elections, and they are voting for his party and for his allies.

人民參與選舉的比例非常高，他們投票支持他的政黨和盟友。

Former Congressman Matt Gaetz led the launch of a bipartisan El Salvador caucus in 2024.

前國會議員馬特-蓋茨（Matt Gaetz）於 2024 年上司發起了薩爾瓦多兩黨核心小組。

He owns a home there and visits several times a year.

他在那裡有一處住宅，每年都會去幾次。

Bukele's landslide victory in 2024 came after the courts allowed him to seek re-election, despite a constitutional ban on running for a second consecutive term.

布凱萊在 2024 年取得壓倒性勝利之前，法院允許他尋求連任，儘管憲法禁止他競選連任。

I believe El Salvador should amend their constitution, should remove the presidential term limit, and should allow President Bukele to continue this transformation that will lift people up.

我認為薩爾瓦多應該修改憲法，取消總統任期限制，並允許布凱萊總統繼續這場能讓人民站起來的變革。

A big part of Bukele's appeal is his use of social media to rebrand El Salvador in the eyes of the world.

布凱萊的一大魅力在於他利用社交媒體重塑了薩爾瓦多在世界眼中的形象。

Bukele now markets the country as the land of surf, volcanoes, and coffee.

現在，Bukele 將該國宣傳為衝浪、火山和咖啡之鄉。

He comes from an advertising background, and he knows exactly how to market not just to his own country, but increasingly to the outside.

他是廣告專業出身，非常清楚如何不僅向本國，而且越來越多地向國外進行營銷。

Vera Bergen-Gruen is one of two U.S. journalists who have interviewed Bukele in the last five years.

Vera Bergen-Gruen 是過去五年中採訪過布凱萊的兩名美國記者之一。

When he became president, there was quite a noticeable shift where he started, for example, tweeting a lot more in English.

他就任總統後，出現了相當明顯的轉變，例如，他開始更多地使用英語發佈推文。

And even the videos that are in Spanish tend to have English subtitles.

即使是西班牙語視頻，也往往有英文字幕。

He knows that's where his growing fan club is.

他知道，他的粉絲俱樂部正在不斷壯大。

One of the other things that really struck me is also how he's changed some of the rhetoric he uses.

還有一件事讓我印象深刻，那就是他如何改變了自己的一些言辭。

For example, in his interview with Tucker Carlson, and also in general, he speaks a lot more about God.

例如，他在接受塔克-卡爾森的採訪時，以及在平時，都會更多地談論上帝。

We're a secular country, of course, but we all believe in God.

當然，我們是一個世俗國家，但我們都信仰上帝。

He speaks a lot more in the language of kind of the Christian right wing of the United States.

他更多使用的是美國基督教右翼的語言。

And everyone I spoke to in El Salvador and elsewhere who's tracked him for a long time says that kind of language is quite new.

我在薩爾瓦多和其他地方接觸過的所有長期跟蹤他的人都說，這種語言很新鮮。

President Bukele sort of first was noticed by the MAGA movement when we did the visit to the Heritage Foundation.

布凱爾總統第一次受到 MAGA 運動的關注，是在我們訪問傳統基金會的時候。

That's the conservative research institute in D.C. behind Project 2025, a controversial policy blueprint for the federal government.

這就是位於華盛頓特區的保守派研究所，它是聯邦政府政策藍圖 "2025 計劃"（Project 2025）的幕後推手。

El Salvador needs the support of the most influential think tank in the world.

薩爾瓦多需要世界上最有影響力的智囊團的支持。

The big turning point was when he traveled to Maine to do the interview with Tucker when he was still at Fox.

最大的轉捩點是他前往緬因州接受塔克的採訪，當時他還在福克斯公司工作。

I think most governments would rather let people have guns than free speech.

我認為，大多數政府寧願讓人們擁有槍支，也不願讓人們有言論自由。

言論自由對他們是真正的威脅。

這就是他們憎恨言論自由的原因。

He was invited to CPAC, which is sort of an annual woodstock for Republicans.

他應邀參加了 CPAC，這是共和黨人一年一度的盛會。

What I remember so vividly is as President Bukele was coming in the back room in the kitchen, the entire hotel staff, it seemed, was there holding, we love you Bukele, holding their Salvadorian flags.

我記憶猶新的是，當布凱萊總統走進廚房的裡屋時，似乎整個酒店的員工都舉著薩爾瓦多國旗，說著 "我們愛你布凱萊"。

他們說，全球主義會在 CPAC 死掉。

I'm here to tell you that in El Salvador, it's already dead.

我在這裡要告訴你們，在薩爾瓦多，它已經死了。

He probably had the second longest line for pictures after President Trump.

他可能是僅次於特朗普總統的第二長的合影隊伍。

Bukele has done quite an impressive job making inroads with the MAGA wing of the Republican Party.

布凱爾在打入共和黨 MAGA 派內部方面做得相當出色。

Donald Trump Jr. and Alex Brusewitz, the digital strategist behind Trump's podcast strategy, were among many MAGA Republicans at Bukele's second inauguration.

小唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump Jr.）和特朗普播客戰略背後的數字戰略家亞歷克斯-布魯塞維茨（Alex Brusewitz）是參加布凱爾第二次就職典禮的眾多 MAGA 共和黨人之一。

Bukele has also developed a relationship with Elon Musk.

布凱爾還與埃隆-馬斯克建立了關係。

I was like, how did you put all those thugs in prison without dying?

我就想，你是怎麼把那些暴徒都關進監獄而不死的？

Because it seems like that would have been not easy.

They met in person for the first time in Texas in late 2024.

2024 年底，他們在得克薩斯州首次會面。

Bukele and Trump have kept up a relationship over the years, despite having only met in person once before in 2019.

布凱爾和特朗普多年來一直保持著聯繫，儘管此前只在 2019 年親自見過一次面。

Bukele, you know, makes no secret of the fact that he's a big fan of Donald Trump.

布凱爾毫不掩飾自己是唐納德-特朗普的忠實粉絲。

President Trump is very nice and cool, and I'm nice and cool too.

特朗普總統很好，很酷，我也很好，很酷。

所以，你知道，我們相處得很好。

He shares a lot of his ideas about being tough on crime, but really it's the global right-wing language of being against international institutions.

他的很多觀點與他相同，都是要嚴厲打擊犯罪，但實際上這是全球右翼反對國際機構的語言。

The EU was set up in order to take advantage of the United States.

歐盟的成立就是為了利用美國。

The corrupt system work in tandem with the so-called international community, the NGOs, and of course the fake news.

腐敗的制度與所謂的國際社會、非政府組織，當然還有假新聞狼狽為奸。

Bukele, he's a strong critic of aid in a lot of ways.

布凱爾，他在很多方面都強烈責備援助。

In the past, these nations have defined their relationships with the United States and other hegemons through the distribution of foreign aid.

過去，這些國家通過對外援助的分配來確定它們與美國和其他霸權國家的關係。

The chance for that type of nationalism to resist the globalist impulses does inspire some of us.

這種民族主義抵制全球主義衝動的機會確實鼓舞了我們中的一些人。

Bukele's allies also fired top judges and packed the courts with loyalists.

布凱萊的盟友還解僱了高級法官，讓忠於他的人擠滿了法院。

That is incredibly appealing to a lot of people in Trump's orbit as well.

這對特朗普軌道上的很多人來說，也具有難以置信的吸引力。

The idea that if a judge is trying to block you, then you can just basically get rid of them and just carry out your agenda.

如果法官試圖阻撓你，那麼你基本上可以擺脫他們，只需執行你的議程。

Bukele's new court allowed him to run again in a consecutive term.

布凱萊的新法庭允許他再次連任。

Trump himself hasn't ruled out running for a third term.

特朗普本人也沒有排除競選第三個任期的可能性。

People are asking me to run, and there's a whole story about running for a third term.

人們要求我參選，關於競選第三屆連任的故事層出不窮。

我不知道，我從來沒有調查過。

In the last few months, Trump has been praising Bukele, calling him a model for others seeking to work with the United States.

在過去幾個月裡，特朗普一直在稱讚布凱萊，稱他是其他尋求與美國合作的人的楷模。

But just last year, Trump's opinion of him was quite different.

但就在去年，特朗普對他的看法卻大相徑庭。

He says how well the country's doing because their crime rate is down.

他說這個國家做得很好，因為他們的犯罪率下降了。

And he said he's training all of these rough people, they're rough, rough, rough.

他說他訓練的都是粗人，他們粗暴、粗暴、粗暴。

But then I realized he's not training them, he's sending all of his criminals, his drug dealers, his people that are in jails, he's sending them all to the United States.

但後來我意識到，他不是在訓練他們，而是把他所有的罪犯、毒販、監獄裡的人都送到了美國。

It does remain to be seen if Bukele keeps getting all of this global credit as being the greatest crime fighter in the hemisphere, whether Trump will want to keep praising him or whether he will kind of go back to what he tends to do, which is just kind of go after basically any Latin American country as a bad place that is sending criminals to the United States.

如果布凱爾繼續獲得全球讚譽，成為本半球最偉大的犯罪鬥士，特朗普是否會繼續稱讚他，或者他是否會重蹈覆轍，把所有拉美國家都視為向美國輸送罪犯的壞地方，這還有待觀察。

For now, though, Bukele remains an important ally of the Trump administration, especially with Bukele's influence spreading across Latin America.

但目前，布凱萊仍是特朗普政府的重要盟友，尤其是隨著布凱萊的影響力在拉丁美洲的擴散。

I think the Trump administration has realized that he's a reliable partner on rebuilding the economy of El Salvador, which is one of the root causes of migration in the U.S.

我認為特朗普政府已經意識到，在重建薩爾瓦多經濟方面，他是一個可靠的合作伙伴，而薩爾瓦多經濟正是美國移民的根源之一。

To see a renewed nationalism, that invigorates the opportunities for people like Mele Bolsonaro, if he's allowed to run again.

如果梅萊-博爾索納羅獲准再次參選，民族主義的復興將為他帶來更多機會。

That does give us comfort in the United States that there is someone of common mind who doesn't believe that China is the ideal partner on every project.

這確實讓我們美國人感到欣慰，因為有人以平常心看待問題，不認為中國是每個項目的理想合作伙伴。

But he's still ruling under a state of emergency, and there's a lot of people who are concerned that by this kind of Bukele worship or making him an icon, people are encouraging the routes that he took, which would be pretty unlikely in the United States, but a lot of critics would say that we're already seeing a lot of that in the second Trump term.

但他仍在緊急狀態下執政，很多人擔心，通過這種對布凱萊的崇拜或將他塑造成偶像，人們會鼓勵他所採取的路線，這在美國是不太可能的，但很多責備人士會說，我們已經在特朗普的第二個任期內看到了很多這樣的情況。