Name: 包頓：川普對伊朗戰爭目標「感到困惑」！ (Bolton: Trump is 'confused' about Iran war objectives)
Uploaded: 2026-03-26T16:42:09.000Z
Duration: 10 min 44 s

President Trump's former national security adviser, Ambassador John Bolton, and thank you for being here.

川普總統的前國家安全顧問、駐美國大使約翰·博爾頓，謝謝您今天來到這裡。

情態副詞

I mean, as someone who obviously used to spend a lot of time inside the situation room with the president, when you hear what he says there, do you believe it matters what the president calls this?

我的意思是，身為一個過去經常在戰情室和總統一起度過時光的人，當你聽到總統說的話時，你認為總統怎麼稱呼這件事重要嗎？

Well, I think he's been looking for some time for a way to get out of this.

嗯，我認為他一直在尋找一個脫身的方法。

And although it started as a regime change operation, which I think was the right objective, I think he's been nervous about the outcome for some time.

雖然這開始時是一場政權更迭行動，我認為這是正確的目標，但我認為他對結果一直感到緊張。

It's not unusual for presidents to try and disguise what's actually going on.

總統試圖掩飾正在發生的事情，這並不罕見。

Let's not forget, Harry Truman called the war in Korea a police exercise, a police operation.

別忘了，杜魯門總統稱韓戰為一場警察行動。

But I think it shows that Trump is confused about what his objectives are, and

但我認為這顯示川普對他的目標感到困惑，

I mean, the White House says it's been very clear what their objectives are.

我的意思是，白宮說他們的目標非常清楚。

Well, how many have they named over the course of the last three-plus weeks?

那，過去三個多星期以來，他們點名了多少人？

I think the correct objective is to overthrow the regime.

我認為正確的目標是推翻政權。

I don't think it's going to negotiate with any seriousness at all.

我認為他們根本不會認真談判。

And I don't think that there's anybody in this regime with whom we can negotiate.

而且我不認為這個政權裡有任何人我們可以談判。

If we weren't prepared to stick this out, then I don't think the president ever should have started it.

如果我們沒有準備好堅持下去，我認為總統就不該開始。

I mean, we've seen the president saying that Iran really wants to make a deal.

我的意思是，我們看到總統說伊朗真的很想達成協議。

The White House today, even when asked by my colleague Kristen Holmes who exactly they're speaking with, still haven't said who that person is.

白宮今天，即使被我的同事 Kristen Holmes 問到他們到底在跟誰說話，還是沒說出那個人是誰。

Do you think these talks are genuine, or do you think the president is buying time?

你認為這些談判是真心的，還是總統在拖延時間？

Well, it could be he's buying time to assemble this additional military capability.

嗯，他可能是在拖延時間來集結這額外的軍事能力。

Perhaps he just wants to show he's trying to be reasonable.

也許他只是想表現出他試圖講道理。

But the chances of reaching an acceptable agreement with this regime, no matter how many of their leaders we have killed, is zero.

但不論我們殺了他們多少領導人，與這個政權達成可接受協議的機會是零。

And what we need to do is continue destroying the instruments of Iranian state power, like the Revolutionary Guard and its subsidiaries, the Quds Force, which threatens us and Israel and the Gulf Arabs externally, and

我們需要做的，是繼續摧毀伊朗國家權力的工具，像是威脅我們、以色列和海灣阿拉伯人的伊斯蘭革命衛隊及其子公司聖城旅，還有

the besieged militia, which threatens its people internally.

By doing that, we are destabilizing the regime.

這麼做，我們就在破壞政權穩定。

We're not looking for somebody within the regime we can negotiate with, but

我們不是在尋找政權內部可以談判的人，而是

somebody outside, somebody from the regular army, not caught up in the extreme fanatic views of the regime itself.

尋找外部的人，正規軍裡的人，沒有被政權極端的狂熱觀點影響的人。

On Cargilland, you said that you think the United States should block Iranian oil shipments and take Cargilland.

在 Cargilland 的事上，你說你認為美國應該封鎖伊朗的石油運輸並佔領 Cargilland。

I mean, we're seeing this troop buildup, and

我的意思是，我們正看到這支部隊集結，

we were just talking last night about the 82nd Airborne, what exactly they're designed to do.

我們昨晚才在談論第 82 空降師，他們到底設計來做什麼的。

Do you think that that is something that they're actively preparing for, not just keeping options open?

你認為這是他們正在積極準備的事，而不只是保留選項嗎？

Do you think taking Cargilland is a real thing we could see in the next few days or weeks?

你覺得佔領 Cargilland 是我們在未來幾天或幾週內可能看到的真實情況嗎？

Well, if we had taken Cargilland about three weeks ago, when it still would have been a surprise to the Iranians, that might have made some sense.

嗯，如果我們在三個星期前就佔領了 Cargilland，那時候對伊朗人來說還會是個驚喜，那或許還有點道理。

I think the main thing is to stop the flow of Iranian oil onto the world market.

我認為最主要的是要阻止伊朗石油流入世界市場。

I don't understand why we didn't blockade the Strait of Hormuz ourself at the beginning.

我不明白為什麼我們一開始沒有自己封鎖荷姆茲海峽。

To allow any Iranian oil to get out was a mistake.

讓任何伊朗石油外流都是個錯誤。

To waive sanctions on Iranian oil is a mistake.

豁免伊朗石油的制裁是個錯誤。

We don't want to finance the Iranian regime in its military campaign against our service members.

我們不想資助伊朗政權進行對我們軍人的軍事行動。

So at this point, I think Cargilland I mean, one way to look at it might be it's a deception operation.

所以在此時此刻，我認為 Cargilland，我的意思是，一種看待它的方式可能是它是一個欺騙行動。

Let the Iranian authorities put all kinds of mines on Cargilland and around it and divert their attention from something else.

讓伊朗當局在 Cargilland 上和周圍佈滿各種地雷，轉移他們對其他事情的注意力。

On the Iranian oil, I asked the president about this on Monday because I've covered him for a long time.

關於伊朗石油，我週一問了總統，因為我長期關注他。

He has heavily criticized Obama for allowing those pallets of cash of $1.7 billion to go to Iran when he was in office.

他曾嚴厲批評歐巴馬在他任內允許運送 17 億美元現金到伊朗。

By unsanctioning that Iranian oil that's at sea, what does that say to you?

解除海上伊朗石油的制裁，這對你來說意味著什麼？

Is that something you would have advocated for if you were advising him?

如果你當時是他的顧問，你會主張這樣做嗎？

And it's not clear that the administration has taken steps to prevent the purchasers of that oil from making payments to Iran.

而且目前還不清楚政府是否已採取措施，阻止購買那些石油的買家向伊朗付款。

I think if we'd left the oil sanctioned, we had grounds to stop their ships at sea.

我認為如果我們維持石油制裁，我們就有理由在海上攔截他們的船隻。

There are a lot of other things we could have done.

我們還有很多其他事情可以做。

It's just inconceivable that we would allow financing to get to the government in Tehran to continue the war operation.

我們竟然允許資金流向德黑蘭政府，繼續進行戰爭行動，這真是難以置信。

But the main thing is to make sure no more of their oil gets out.

但最重要的是確保他們的石油無法再運出去。

And honestly, as I say, I don't understand why we didn't do that on the first day of the war.

說實話，就像我說的，我不明白為什麼戰爭第一天我們沒有這麼做。

What's your biggest question about what's going to happen next year and what you're watching, based on what we've heard from either the president or his top officials today and yesterday?

根據我們今天和昨天從總統或他的高級官員那裡聽到的消息，你對明年會發生什麼事，以及你正在關注的事情，最大的疑問是什麼？

Well, the question I've asked from the beginning is, how much have we cooperated with opposition figures and forces and factions inside the country?

嗯，我從一開始就問的問題是，我們在多大程度上與國內的反對派人物、力量和派別進行了合作？

How much help are we giving the opposition?

What are we doing to find alternative leaders other than those in the regime itself?

我們正在做些什麼來尋找政權本身以外的替代領導人？

What resources are we giving to the opposition?

What can we do to put more pressure on the regime, not just from the attacks from the sky, but

我們還能做些什麼來對政權施加更多壓力，不只是來自空中的攻擊，

on the ground, that after the attacks finish, which they will at some point, if the regime is not already collapsed by then, how to continue the struggle with the Iranian people?

還有地面上，在攻擊結束後，總會有結束的時候，如果到時候政權還沒垮臺，該如何繼續與伊朗人民一起奮鬥？

We'll see if those questions get answered.

我們就看看這些問題會不會有答案。

Ambassador John Bolton, thank you for joining us tonight.

駐美國大使 John Bolton，謝謝你今晚加入我們。

I'm joined tonight by CNN's global affairs analyst Brett McGurk and our military analyst, Lieutenant General Mark Schwartz.

今晚和我一起的是 CNN 全球事務分析師 Brett McGurk 以及我們的軍事分析師 Mark Schwartz 中將。

And General, when you look at this and you see about the potential for ground operations, what's your sense of at least what they're preparing to give themselves the potential to do?

將軍，當你看著這一切，看到地面行動的可能性，你覺得他們至少在準備讓自己能做些什麼？

Well, I think first, the intent of bringing these 82nd Airborne Paratroopers forward is to take the slack out of potential employment of ground forces.

嗯，我認為首先，調動這 82 空降師的傘兵，目的是為了消除地面部隊潛在的運用空間。

Obviously, the Marines, two MUs, are moving into the area of operations as well.

顯然，海軍陸戰隊，兩個海軍陸戰隊單位，也正在進入作戰區域。

Marines and infantry from the United States Army, they do a multitude of tasks, but

美國陸戰隊和陸軍步兵，他們能執行許多任務，

seizing terrain is certainly high on that list.

但佔領地形絕對是其中非常重要的一項。

I mean, if this let's say the president does this, and

我的意思是，如果這，假設總統這麼做了，

if he does, what would I mean, can you explain to us what that would look like in the initial phase, at least?

但如果他做了，那會是什麼意思？你能跟我們解釋一下，至少在初期階段會是什麼樣子嗎？

Well, what's coming in with the MU is the rotary wing lift that would be necessary to bring forces on Cargilland or potentially on the shore of Iran, on the north side of the Strait of Hormuz, for instance.

嗯，隨著 MU 的到來，將會提供必要性的旋翼升力，以便將部隊部署到卡吉蘭（Cargilland）或伊朗海岸，例如荷姆茲海峽的北側。

So they have the capability to move the force as the RMU comes in, and

所以他們有能力在 RMU 到來時調動部隊，

而且你們有地面部隊來執行這項任務。

But you also have to bring in all the enablers.

但你們也必須引進所有的支援部隊。

So the good thing is we have air supremacy.

所以好消息是我們擁有制空權。

So we have dominance of the air, the ability to employ fires to support those forces as they come ashore, probably by a helicopter assault, and

所以我們擁有制空權，能夠運用火力支援部隊登陸，可能透過直升機突擊，

It's an extremely high-risk operation, but

they have the capability and the enablers to support the force once it gets on the ground.

但他們有能力和支援來協助部隊一旦登陸。

But the likelihood of them being able to do this uncontested is very unlikely.

然而，他們能夠不受幹擾地完成這項任務的可能性非常低。

I mean, with that, Brett, obviously, that is why the stakes have been so raised here in terms of what this would look like and if it is contested, how that would play out.

我的意思是，佈雷特，顯然這就是為什麼這裡的賭注如此之高，取決於這會是什麼樣子，以及如果受到挑戰，那將會如何發展。

What's your sense from what you're hearing from officials today?

從你今天聽到的官員說法來看，你的感覺是什麼？

我的意思是，談判正在進行嗎？

Is anything happening, in your understanding?

照你的理解，有什麼正在發生嗎？

I think, Caitlin, we called the diplomacy last night.

我覺得，凱特琳，我們昨晚就說了外交途徑。

We said, probably unlikely to go anywhere, but you're testing it out.

我們說，可能不太會有結果，但你們還是試試看。

You're kind of positioning, not really negotiating.

你們有點像是在佈局，而不是真的在談判。

Today, Iran came out with a very maximalist set of demands.

今天，伊朗提出了一系列非常極端的訴求。

So that's all going on, trying to see if anything's there.

所以這一切都在進行，試圖看看有沒有什麼可能性。

I think the president would love to have an option there.

我認為總統會很樂意有這樣的選項。

Again, right now, I think the odds there are very low.

再說一次，現在來看，我覺得機會非常渺茫。

But signal from noise, we have two dates on the calendar I'd keep in mind.

但在眾多訊息中，有兩個日期我會記住。

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