Name: 「業餘級別」：巴提吉吉抨擊川普、海斯對伊朗戰爭的處理方式！ (‘Amateur hour’: Buttigieg slams Trump, Hegseth’s Iran war approach)
Uploaded: 2026-03-15T21:35:44.000Z
Duration: 9 min 41 s

Secretary Hegseth went so far as to say that the Strait of Hormuz is open.

Hegseth 祕書甚至說荷姆茲海峽是開放的。

情態副詞

Other than the fact that there would be fire against vehicles transiting the strait, this is clearly amateur hour as the war in the Middle east escalates.

除了進出海峽的車輛會遭到攻擊之外，在中東戰事升級之際，這顯然是業餘時間。

My next guest says that we've seen this movie before.

我的下一位來賓說，我們看過這部電影了。

Joining us now, former Transportation Secretary and Afghan war veteran Pete Buttigieg.

現在加入我們的是前交通部長、阿富汗戰爭退伍軍人 Pete Buttigieg。

I want to play something that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said earlier this week about how this war differs from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

我想播放國防部長 Pete Hegseth 本週稍早說的一段話，關於這場戰爭與伊拉克和阿富汗戰爭有何不同。

This is not endless nation building under those types of quagmires we saw under Bush or Obama.

這不是像我們在布希或歐巴馬時期看到的那些泥沼中的無止盡國家建設。

Our generation of soldier will not let that happen again.

我們這一代的軍人不會讓那樣的事情再次發生。

You're also a part of that generation of soldier.

What I'm worried about is not the soldiers and the people who are serving.

What I'm worried about is their political leadership.

像是 Pete Hegseth 而不是 Donald Trump。

You know, we lived through a war that was sold to us on false pretenses when I was younger.

你知道，在我年輕的時候，我們經歷了一場以虛假藉口賣給我們的戰爭。

This war has not been sold on any pretense.

The president just went ahead and did it.

Here's the biggest thing that has not changed since the war in Afghanistan or the war in Iraq.

這是在阿富汗戰爭或伊拉克戰爭以來，最大的沒有改變的事情。

The biggest thing that has not changed is who pays the price.

最大的沒有改變的事情是誰付出了代價。

We have now seen 13American service members killed.

我們現在已經有 13 位美國服役人員喪生。

And when you prepare to go to war, the thing you think about, the thing you most dread, is your family being the ones to get that knock on the door.

而當你準備要上戰場時，你腦中想到的、你最害怕的，就是你的家人會接到那通「敲門」電話。

More than a dozen American families have now gotten that knock on the door.

現在已經有十幾個美國家庭接到那通「敲門」電話了。

And the president has basically assured us that there will be more where that came from.

總統基本上向我們保證，這種情況還會繼續下去。

And while they're paying the ultimate price, every American is paying some price right now.

而當他們付出最終代價時，每個美國人現在都正在付出某種代價。

Mortgage rates are up because of this war.

房貸利率因為這場戰爭而上升。

Food is going to be more expensive because of this war.

食物因為這場戰爭會變得更貴。

And of course, the price of gas that we're paying at the pump is more expensive because because of this war.

當然，我們在加油站付的油價，因為這場戰爭而變得更貴。

So the Trump administration argues that they needed to take action to take out Iran's nuclear weapons program and Iran's ballistic missile program because when they came into office, the Biden administration, your administration, had done nothing in four years to stop Iran from building a nuclear weapon, developing ballistic missiles, funding terrorism around the world.

所以川普政府認為，他們需要採取行動來摧毀伊朗的核武計畫和伊朗的彈道飛彈計畫，因為當他們上任時，拜登政府，也就是你們的政府，四年來都沒有做任何事來阻止伊朗發展核武、開發彈道飛彈、資助世界各地的恐怖主義。

I mean, for one thing, the president assured us that the nuclear program, President Trump assured us that the nuclear program was, in his words, obliterated just a few months ago.

我的意思是，首先，總統向我們保證，核武計畫，川普總統向我們保證，他親口說，核武計畫幾個月前就被摧毀了。

And let's also remember that in the past, Iran's nuclear program was contained without a shot being fired.

而且我們也要記得，過去伊朗的核武計畫在沒有開一槍的情況下就受到控制了。

President Trump thought he could get a better deal than the Obama administration did.

川普總統認為他能達成比歐巴馬政府更好的協議。

he went off and launched a war without planning, without being ready for even some of the most basic things.

然後他就發動戰爭，沒有計畫，甚至連一些最基本的事情都沒準備好。

I mean, it is a certainty that the military would have advised him that the Straits of Hormuz would have been closed, that that was a likely scenario.

我的意思是，軍方肯定會建議他，荷姆茲海峽會被關閉，那是一個很可能發生的情況。

And yet they're talking about this and clearly acting as though they didn't think this would happen.

然而他們卻在談論這件事，顯然表現得好像他們沒想到這會發生。

Hegseth部長甚至說荷姆茲海峽是開放的。

Other than the fact that there would be fire against vehicles transiting the strait.

除了有車輛通過海峽時會遭到攻擊之外。

This is clearly amateur hour at the Pentagon and in the White House.

這根本就是五角大廈和白宮的業餘時間。

And again, the price is being paid by all of us.

而且，我們所有人都在為此付出代價。

You can also just tell from the administration's attitude toward this war, the fact that they're putting out videos, treating this like a video game.

從政府對這場戰爭的態度，他們還放出影片，把這當成電玩遊戲，你就可以看得出來。

This is not a video game for the families of the fallen.

這不是陣亡將士家屬的電玩遊戲。

And then just this week, we saw campaign fundraising materials being put out, emails where the President's committee, The president's political operation, was raising money off of images of him at a dignified transfer.

就在這週，我們看到競選募款的文宣品被發布出來，總統的委員會，總統的政治團隊，利用他參加莊嚴移交儀式的畫面來募款。

Any politician who does that has no business leading American troops in the war.

任何這樣做的政治人物，都不該領導美軍作戰。

If the president is willing to raise campaign funds over the bodies of America's war dead, he is unfit to be the commander in chief.

如果總統願意為了募款而踐踏美國陣亡將士的屍體，他就沒有資格擔任三軍統帥。

Congressman, I mean, President Trump just said a few hours ago on social media that Iran has been beaten.

國會議員，我是說，川普總統幾個小時前才在社群媒體上說伊朗已經被打敗了。

This has been the big mistake of the administration.

You can argue we never should have done anything with the war, but

你可以說我們根本不該介入這場戰爭，但是

I would say the biggest mistake is just not preparing the American people for it.

我會說最大的錯誤就是沒有為美國人民做好準備。

And then when you realize this is going to take a few days longer than you think right now, a couple weeks longer, then it's just constantly, oh, that's right, we already won, though.

然後當你意識到這會比你現在想的要多花幾天，幾週的時間，然後就一直不斷地說，哦，對了，我們已經贏了。

And I think the President, in his own way, we've seen this before, is panicking because the market takes a hit, because people are turning against him, and

而且我認為總統，以他自己的方式，我們以前也看過這種情況，他正在恐慌，因為市場受到打擊，因為人們開始反對他，而且

這個世界裡，我們一天就成功了。

I just think he needs to level with people and say what the truth is.

我只是覺得他應該跟人民說實話，說出真相。

That's the leveling with the American people.

Because in January, President Trump was saying help is on the way.

因為在一月的時候，川普總統還說援軍就在路上。

And now it seems pretty clear that regime change is not necessarily in the cards.

現在看來，政權更迭似乎不一定會發生。

And the Iranian people are squeezed between the airstrikes and a regime that is extremely brutal.

伊朗人民夾在空襲和一個極度殘暴的政權之間。

I mean, people tell me that there are roadblocks Everywhere.

我是說，人們告訴我到處都有路障。

An 88 year old was telling me that he was made, forced to get off his car to open up his trunk at a gunpoint.

一位88歲的老先生告訴我，他被強迫在槍口下開後車廂。

Tehran was under intense bombing last night and so was the city of Isfahan.

德黑蘭昨晚遭受猛烈轟炸，伊斯法罕市也是。

And people are just waiting, waiting to see what's going to happen.

而且大家都在等，等著看接下來會發生什麼事。

The reason you're hearing some uncertainty or mixed signals is because they have two choices.

你之所以聽到一些不確定或混亂的訊息，是因為他們有兩個選擇。

We're going to end Iran's military capabilities and end their ability to project terror and force abroad.

我們要終結伊朗的軍事能力，並終結他們向外投射恐怖和武力的能力。

The second choice is whether you take their oil infrastructure out, their oil export infrastructure.

第二個選擇是，我們要不要摧毀他們的石油基礎設施，他們的石油出口基礎設施。

If it looks like there's going to be a regime that rises in place in Iran that we could deal with and it would be peaceful for the region, you'd leave that infrastructure intact.

如果出現一個我們能夠應對、並且對該地區和平有益的政權在伊朗崛起，你們就會保留這些基礎設施。

If it's not going to happen, it's not going to happen.

如果不會發生，那就不會發生。

I'm just telling you it's not going to happen.

Like, I mean, just, I don't see, at least at this point, any notion that there's going to be some sort of reasonable government.

像是，我的意思是，就是，我看不見，至少在這個階段，有任何跡象表明會出現某種理性的政府。

then in that case, we have to leave it decapitated militarily and unable to export oil to China and Russia.

那樣的話，我們就得在軍事上讓它被斬首，並且無法出口石油給中國和俄羅斯。

You've been out there talking to people in the field about the midterms.

你們一直在外面跟前線的人談論期中選舉。

Are the American people engaged in the war?