Name: 為什麼以色列對真主黨的戰爭總是不斷重燃？| The Take (Why Israel’s war on Hezbollah keeps returning | The Take)
Uploaded: 2026-03-09T21:40:35.000Z
Duration: 18 min 42 s

Al Jazeera podcasts Today, a week of Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

半導體電視臺的播客節目，今天是以色列攻擊黎巴嫩的一週。

The Israeli army has been issuing repeated forced evacuation orders for parts of the capital.

以色列軍隊已經對首都部分地區發布了多次強制撤離令。

More than 330 people have been killed by Israeli attacks in Lebanon alone in the last week.

光是在上週，就有超過 330 人在以色列的攻擊中於黎巴嫩遇害。

As bombardment, displacement and ground fighting intensify, a familiar question is back after all these years, what is Israel really trying to do in Lebanon?

隨著轟炸、流離失所和地面戰鬥加劇，一個熟悉的疑問又出現了：以色列到底想在黎巴嫩做什麼？

我是 David Enders，這裡是 The Take。

Before we continue with today's show, leave us a comment telling us what you think about this episode and how you're following the latest developments in Lebanon.

在繼續今天的節目之前，請在下方留言告訴我們你對這一集的看法，以及你如何關注黎巴嫩的最新事態發展。

And on your podcast app, leave us a review telling us where you're listening from and give us a five star rating while you're there.

然後在你的播客應用程式上，給我們一個評論，告訴我們你從哪裡收聽，順便給我們五顆星評價。

I worked for many years with the Sunny Times.

我曾為《Sunny Times》工作多年。

I'm a six time award winning correspondent.

Thank you for joining us under what I know are deep, difficult circumstances.

謝謝你加入我們，我知道這是在一個非常艱難的時刻。

Israel has been relentlessly bombing Lebanon all across the country for a week now.

以色列已經對黎巴嫩全國進行了一週的無情轟炸。

Half a million people have been displaced.

In a country of fewer than 6 million people, rights groups are openly saying Israel is extending its Gaza playbook to Lebanon, meaning collective punishment, mass force displacement and widespread fear among civilians.

在這個不到六百萬人口的國家裡，人權組織公開表示，以色列正在將其在加薩的劇本延伸到黎巴嫩，這意味著集體懲罰、大規模強制流離失所以及平民之間普遍的恐懼。

What are you seeing where you are and how seminal a moment is this in the history of Lebanon?

你在你所在的地方看到了什麼？這在黎巴嫩的歷史上是個多麼重要的時刻？

So this will not be the first time that Israel has launched war on Lebanon.

所以這不是以色列第一次對黎巴嫩發動戰爭。

That's the numbers that have been registered for shelters.

The actual number of displacements is much higher.

實際流離失所的人數還要多很多。

Remember, many people come, they rent flats or they have families and friends that they stay with.

記住，很多人會來，他們會租房子，或者有家人朋友可以住。

As far as the bombings are concerned, Israel is actually at the moment, it seems to be on a course of dungeons because much of the bombing is indiscriminate.

關於轟炸，以色列目前似乎走在一個黑暗的道路上，因為很多轟炸都是無差別的。

And most of these, as we've seen from images and footage, these are buildings, civilians that are being demolished into dust.

而正如我們從畫面和影片看到的，這些建築物、平民都被炸成了塵土。

And the Israelis are trying to penalize the population or the Shiite community.

以色列正試圖懲罰黎巴嫩人民，或是什葉派社群。

They're trying to pressure it and force it to turn.

他們試圖施壓，迫使他們轉變。

They're trying to pressure it so that it indirectly turns against Hezbollah, which it supports.

他們試圖施壓，讓他們間接反對他們所支持的真主黨。

This is what Israel is trying to do by doing mass bombings, mass destructions, mass demolitions of entire neighborhoods.

這就是以色列透過大規模轟炸、大規模破壞、以及將整個社區夷為平地的做法，想要達成的目標。

It is trying to force the people to finally get fed up and say enough, you know, enough, you know, to enough good Hezbollah.

他們試圖逼迫人民受夠了，說夠了，你知道，夠了，你知道，夠了真主黨。

So as for Beirut itself, I mean there is masses of displaced people.

至於貝魯特本身，我的意思是，有大量的流離失所者。

You know, Beirut is a small, the infrastructure is not great.

你知道，貝魯特很小，基礎設施並不好。

So there's, at the moment, you know, the weight of it all is on the capital itself.

所以目前，你知道，這一切的壓力都落在首都本身。

There were people still that haven't been sheltered.

So you have a lot of people still out on the streets, along the seafront or in certain roads or neighborhoods waiting.

所以你看到很多人仍然在街上，沿著海濱或在某些道路或社區等待。

It is actually quite miserable, depressing and sad to see this is happening.

看到這種情況，其實相當淒慘、令人沮喪又難過。

And that question about the Israeli strategy of trying to turn people against Hezbollah, where, where is, is that effective?

而關於以色列試圖讓人民反對真主黨的策略這個熟悉的疑問，有效嗎？

Is that a fundamental misunderstanding on their part of the dynamics?

這是他們對動態的根本誤解嗎？

Look, there's always going to be a number of people that are disenfranchised or angry and immediate human reaction to their situation.

看，總會有一群人感到被剝奪權利或憤怒，這是他們對自身處境的直接人類反應。

But the idea that they can turn a community against, against Hezbollah, a community that is sort of, if you want, entwined ideologically, socially, marital wise, everyday within this organization, it is an impossibility.

但他們想讓一個社群反對真主黨的想法，這個社群如果說，在意識形態、社會、婚姻、日常生活中都與這個組織糾纏在一起，這根本是不可能的。

They have tried before, they have failed and they will fail again.

他們以前試過，失敗了，這次也會再次失敗。

On the contrary, generally speaking, in situations like this, you find that actually the community rallies around the group because they feel that the group is being, you know, there's an attempt to annihilate it, to decapitate it, to finish it off.

相反地，普遍來說，在這種情況下，你會發現社群反而會團結在該組織周圍，因為他們覺得這個組織正在被試圖殲滅、斬首、終結。

On the contrary, they rally around it and they support it.

相反地，他們會團結起來支持它。

So Hezbollah is not going to lose support as a result of this.

所以真主黨不會是以失去支持。

And it's important to also clarify one thing.

Hezbollah did not start this war last week, on Monday.

真主黨並不是在上週一發動這場戰爭。

This war was started 15 months ago by Israel, which refused to abide by the ceasefire, which has continuously bombed Lebanon and south Lebanon and the Biqa and Hezbollah community, killing over 400 and carrying out over 11,000 violations.

這場戰爭是 15 個月前由以色列發動的，以色列拒絕遵守停火協議，持續轟炸黎巴嫩、南黎巴嫩、貝卡谷地以及真主黨的社區，殺害了 400 多人，並進行了超過 11,000 次違規。

Breach of a ceasefire, destroying villages in its entirety.

違反停火協議，將村莊徹底摧毀。

When the war happened last year and Israel was trying to invade Lebanon, there are some villages they couldn't get or occupy or control.

去年戰爭爆發時，以色列試圖入侵黎巴嫩，有些村莊他們無法攻克、佔領或控制。

Now that the ceasefire happened and Hezbollah carried out and withdrew from that part of South Lebanon, we find the Israelis coming in and destroying these villages.

現在停火了，真主黨也已撤出南黎巴嫩的那個區域，我們發現以色列人進來摧毀這些村莊。

Everything they couldn't achieve last year in the war, they have done now.

他們去年在戰爭中未能實現的一切，現在都做到了。

So, no, people are not going to sort of abandon Hezbollah because people are very aware that this war was just a matter of time, that Hezbollah will have to respond.

所以，不，人們不會是以拋棄真主黨，因為大家都很清楚這場戰爭只是遲早的事，真主黨遲早必須做出回應。

You cannot just sit back and take it and allow Israel to continue doing this.

你不能就這樣坐視不管，讓以色列繼續這樣做。

They allowed it for 15 months, hoping that the diplomatic solution would come, hoping that the international world will pressure Israel to stop doing this and giving the Lebanese government time to fix it.

他們容忍了十五個月，希望外交解決方案能出現，希望國際社會能施壓以色列停止這麼做，並給予黎巴嫩政府時間來解決。

So Hezbollah acted and acted rightly because according to international law, it has the right to defend itself.

所以真主黨採取了行動，而且是正確的行動，因為根據國際法，他們有權自衛。

The Lebanese government has formally moved from a position where it approves of resistance toward Israel to criminalizing Hezbollah's activities.

黎巴嫩政府已正式從贊同抵抗以色列的立場，轉變為將真主黨的活動定為犯罪。

The Prime Minister, Nawaf Salaam, announced that it would no longer be considered legal for Hezbollah to resist.

總理 Nawaf Salaam 宣佈，真主黨的抵抗將不再被視為合法。

The Lebanese government calls for the immediate banning of all of Hezbollah's security and military activities as it is considered against the law to give up its weapons to the Lebanon state.

黎巴嫩政府呼籲立即禁止真主黨的所有安全和軍事活動，因為將武器交給黎巴嫩國家被視為違法。

In practice, we've seen in the past few days exactly what you're talking about.

實際上，過去幾天我們已經看到了你所說的情況。

Fierce ground battles between Hezbollah and the Israeli military as they attempt to advance.

真主黨與以色列軍隊之間發生了激烈的地面戰鬥，試圖推進。

What do you think the significance of the government's announcement is?

你認為政府宣佈這件事有什麼意義？

And what is the likelihood that it will be followed by any sort of real action?

Look, for 15 months this government has done very little to bring about a solution or to force Israel through the committee that was set up in South Lebanon to monitor the situation, cause a ceasefire agreement.

看看，這十五個月來，這個政府為了尋求解決方案，或是透過設在黎巴嫩南部的委員會來迫使以色列達成停火協議，幾乎什麼都沒做。

They demanded that Hezbollah, according to the ceasefire that Lebanon signed onto that Hezbollah withdraws from those areas.

他們要求真主黨，根據黎巴嫩簽署的停火協議，真主黨要從那些地區撤軍。

To allow the Lebanese army to take over control of that area.

讓黎巴嫩軍隊接管該區域的控制權。

To hand over the tunnels and the warehouses along those areas.

將那些區域的隧道和倉庫交出來。

As far as Hezbollah is concerned, they fulfilled each and every requirement of that ceasefire agreement.

就真主黨而言，他們達成了停火協議中的每一項要求。

The agreement also said, also stipulated that both sides should not carry out attacks on each other, but

協議中也說了，也規定雙方不得互相攻擊，但是

both sides have the right to defend in case of that.

雙方都有權在發生這種情況時進行自衛。

Hezbollah has not actually, it stood down, it stood back.

真主黨實際上並沒有，它退縮了，它退後了。

It gave the government a chance to do something because the government and the government hardly sometimes, you know, there were attacks and there were people killed.

它給了政府一個機會去做些什麼，因為政府有時真的，你知道，發生了攻擊，有人被殺害。

They didn't even make a statement of denunciation.

Like I said, over 11,000 violations, over 400 people killed within that period, 15 months of that period.

就像我說的，在這段期間，有超過 11,000 次違規，超過 400 人被殺害，在這段 15 個月期間。

And the government continuously argued that the Lebanese army is capable.

而政府一直爭辯說，黎巴嫩軍隊是有能力的。

The Lebanese army will be the sole body or institution responsible for protecting the country sovereignty and the country's territory.

黎巴嫩軍隊將是唯一負責保護國家主權和領土的機構。

So accordingly, the Lebanese army should be in charge currently of fighting back or defending Lebanon.

是以，黎巴嫩軍隊理應負責反擊或保衛黎巴嫩。

Instead, the government withdrew the Lebanese army.

相反地，政府卻撤離了黎巴嫩軍隊。

When you have an enemy invading and occupying your country and your government turns around and tells the military, step down, do nothing, and

當敵人入侵並佔領你的國家，而你的政府卻轉而告訴軍隊，退下，什麼都別做，並且

basically be observers and remove them from the entire area that Hezbollah had withdrawn from, leaving it vulnerable to every Israeli wish, and

基本上只是旁觀者，並將他們從真主黨撤退的整個區域撤離，讓這裡任由以色列擺佈，

then have the audacity to say to Hezbollah, you do not have the right to go and defend that territory.

然後還有臉告訴真主黨，你們無權去保衛那片領土。

And that territory actually belongs to the People of Hezbollah to the families they hail from them, these are their territories, these are their villages, these other towns.

而那片領土實際上屬於真主黨的人民，屬於他們來自的家庭，那是他們的領土，他們的村莊，他們的其他城鎮。

And you're being told by the government you're not allowed to.

而政府卻告訴你，你不被允許這麼做。

So yes, the government issued statement criminalized its involvement.

所以是的，政府發表聲明，將其（真主黨）的介入定為犯罪。

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