Name: 歐洲在伊朗戰爭上仍分歧！但他們真的有投資嗎？| DW新聞 (Europe remains divided over Iran war, but is it actually invested? | DW News)
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How would you categorise Europe's reaction to the US And Israeli strikes on Iran?

歐洲對於美國和以色列對伊朗的打擊，你會怎麼分類他們的反應？

A confused mix of restrained condemnation and some reluctant support, perhaps not for the first time in modern history.

可能是剋制的譴責和一些不情願的支持，這種混雜的反應，或許在近代史上也不是第一次出現。

Europe's key players are divided and to some degree scrambling to find the appropriate response to the actions of the US under the stewardship of Donald Trump.

歐洲的主要國家之間意見分歧，而且在某種程度上，他們正在努力尋找適當的回應，來應對美國在唐納·川普領導下的行動。

That's what we're going to be talking with our Brussels correspondent and NATO expert Terry Schultz about.

這就是我們今天要和我們的布魯塞爾特派記者兼北約專家泰瑞·舒爾茨一起討論的。

Terry, I'll get back to you shortly after we get some context, after we hear from French President Emmanuel Macron, who announced by far the most muscular and proactive response.

泰瑞，在我請教你之前，我會先給你一些背景資訊，聽聽法國總統艾曼紐·馬克宏的說法，他宣佈了迄今為止最有力的主動回應。

He says France's nuclear powered aircraft carrier and its strike group will move into the Mediterranean.

他說法國的核動力航空母艦及其打擊群將會移往地中海。

Their mission will be to support countries in the region targeted by Iran in retaliation for the Israeli and US Strikes.

他們的任務將是支援該地區，因以色列和美國的打擊而遭到伊朗報復的國家。

Here he is justifying the move on French tv.

他在法國電視臺上解釋這個行動。

In addition to the assets already in place, fighter jets, anti aircraft defense systems and airborne radar have been deployed in recent hours.

除了已經部署的資產之外，戰鬥機、防空系統和偵測雷達也在最近幾小時內部署到位。

We will continue with these efforts as needed.

我們會視需要繼續進行這些努力。

In light of this unstable situation and the uncertainty of the days ahead, I have ordered the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, along with its air assets and frigate escort to head towards the Mediterranean first route Mediterranean.

考量到局勢不穩以及未來幾天的變數，我已下令核動力航空母艦戴高樂號，連同其空中資產和護衛艦護航，將先前往地中海。

泰瑞·舒爾茨，又回到您這邊了。

These military assets that France is moving into the eastern Mediterranean, how much of a difference are they going to make to the war?

法國將這些軍事資產調往東地中海，對這場戰爭能有多大的影響？

Well, Anthony, I don't think President Macron wants to make an offensive difference to the war.

嗯，安東尼，我不認為馬克宏總統想對這場戰爭產生進攻性影響。

He says that he's making these moves in a defensive posture.

他說他採取這些行動是出於防禦姿態。

You've seen the French base be attacked by drones.

您已經看到法國基地遭到無人機攻擊。

So France feels that its national interests are at stake here.

所以法國認為其國家利益在此受到威脅。

But as he mentioned, he's moving radar, he's moving air defense, these kind of resources to the region.

但正如他所提到的，他正在調派偵測雷達、防空系統等資源到該地區。

So he's certainly not saying that he's going to participate in the war on behalf of the US And Israel.

所以他當然沒有表示他將代表美國和以色列參與這場戰爭。

He did make a brief mention in that speech tonight that he does believe that the effort is not false, following international law, as we've also heard from other European leaders.

他今晚在演講中簡短提到，他認為這項努力是真實的，符合國際法，這也符合我們從其他歐洲領導人那裡聽到的說法。

But France does have air bases in the uae, as I mentioned, and

但正如我剛才提到的，法國在阿拉伯聯合大公國設有空軍基地，

he says they also have defense agreements with Qatar, for example, with Kuwait and other partners in the region.

他說他們也與卡達、科威特以及該地區的其他夥伴有國防協議。

And perhaps he hopes that by sending, as you say, the very muscular Charles de Gaulle nuclear capable aircraft carrier to the region, perhaps he wants to give the impression that France could strike.

也許他希望透過派遣您說的、非常強大的戴高樂號核動力航空母艦到該地區，也許他想給人一種法國有能力發動攻擊的印象。

But that's certainly not, not what Macron is planning to do at the moment, if he doesn't have to.

但這絕對不是馬克宏目前打算做的事，如果他不必這麼做的話。

Terry, stay with me as we try and wrap our Heads around the European response here as Monday Macron warned that the war between the United States, Israel and Iran risks spilling over to Europe.

泰瑞，請繼續跟我一起，我們試著來釐清歐洲在這裡的反應，因為馬克宏週一警告說，美國、以色列和伊朗之間的戰爭有蔓延到歐洲的風險。

He might best be ready for an incoming verbal barrage from Washington because the US President is unhappy at the level of support from some of his European partners.

他最好準備好迎接來自華盛頓的口頭砲轟，因為美國總統對一些歐洲夥伴的支持程度感到不滿。

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is one of the main culprits.

英國首相施凱爾是主要罪魁禍首之一。

Apparently, he did not allow the US to use British bases for the first wave of strikes against Iran.

顯然，他不允許美國使用英國基地對伊朗發動第一波攻擊。

Starmer said the UK did not believe in regime change from the skies.

施凱爾說，英國不相信透過空襲來達成政權更迭。

And so Trump had this to say about the Prime Minister.

This is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with.

我們現在面對的不是溫斯頓·邱吉爾。

I will say the UK has been very, very uncooperative.

我會說英國一直以來都非常、非常不配合。

But Trump had even harsher things to say about Spain.

但川普對西班牙說了更難聽的話。

Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez said the US strikes contributed to, quote, a more hostile and uncertain international order.

西班牙總理佩德羅·桑切斯表示，美國的打擊行動助長了「更具敵意和不確定性的國際秩序」。

He denied the US permission to use their jointly operated military bases.

他拒絕允許美國使用他們共同營運的軍事基地。

I could tomorrow stop, or today even better, stop everything having to do with Spain, all business having to do with Spain.

我明天就可以停止，或者今天更好，停止所有與西班牙有關的事情，所有與西班牙有關的生意。

Embargoes, do anything I want with it, and we may do that with Spain.

禁運，做任何我想做的事，我們可能會對西班牙這麼做。

All right, what do you think, Terry, we're back with you.

好的，泰瑞，你覺得呢？我們回到你這邊。

Trump has slammed Starmer and he says he wants nothing now to do with Spain.

川普抨擊了施凱爾，並表示他現在不想和西班牙有任何關係。

How worried, I wonder, are European leaders about these statements coming out of the White House, Terry?

歐洲領導人對這些來自白宮的言論有多擔心呢，泰瑞？

Well, you kind of have to unpack what's happening, Anthony.

嗯，安東尼，你得好好分析一下正在發生的事。

I mean, the conflict has already spread to Europe.

我的意思是，衝突已經蔓延到歐洲了。

When you note that a base In Cyprus, the UK's base in Cyprus, has already been hit by a drone.

你注意到賽普勒斯的英國基地已經被無人機擊中。

So, you know, this isn't far off to imagine that Europe's very vital interests are at stake here.

所以，你知道，這並不難想像歐洲的極其重要的利益在這裡岌岌可危。

But looking at the threats we see coming out of the White House, these.

但看看我們從白宮看到的威脅，這些。

These are things that we've heard from President Trump.

這些都是我們聽過川普總統說過的。

And you've got to wonder why he's doing it again, attacking his allies at a time when there is such a critical conflict going on in the Middle East.

你得想一想，為什麼他在中東發生如此關鍵衝突的時候，又再次攻擊他的盟友。

但儘管如此，他還是說了他該說的話。

You know, Spain has been in the firing line of President Trump before at the NATO summit last summer, when it refused to agree to spend 5% of its GDP on defense.

你知道，西班牙以前在去年北約峰會上就曾成為川普總統的攻擊目標，當時西班牙拒絕同意將其GDP的5%用於國防。

And President Trump mentioned that in the White House today.

川普總統今天在白宮也提到了這一點。

That's the first time that he threatened to cut off trade with Spain.

這是他第一次威脅要切斷與西班牙的貿易。

But the Spanish government has already responded and said that, you know private businesses have the right to do what they want.

但西班牙政府已經回應，表示你知道，私人企業有權做他們想做的事。

And reminding President Trump that it's actually at a European Union level that trade deals are made with European countries.

並提醒川普總統，實際上是歐洲聯盟層級才與歐洲國家達成貿易協議。

So he may have less maneuverability than he thinks he does when it comes to cutting off trade with a single European country.

所以他在切斷與單一歐洲國家的貿易方面，可能沒有他以為的那麼大的迴旋空間。

So Starmer and Sanchez are the naughty boys.

所以史達莫和桑傑斯是兩個搗蛋鬼。

Germany's Chancellor, Frederick Matz, was in Washington today as well, at close range, if you like, and

德國總理弗雷德裡克·馬茲今天也在華盛頓，近距離觀察，如果你願意這麼說的話，

was praised by Trump for helping the US Operation.

並受到川普的讚揚，因為他協助了美國的行動。

What is Germany providing the US That Britain and Spain are not?

德國提供了美國什麼，而英國和西班牙沒有？

Well, we do know that some of the aircraft that were stationed in Spain, there are two bases there that the US can operate out of that more than a dozen aircraft were moved from Spain to Ramstein, this very large base in Germany.

嗯，我們確實知道，一些駐紮在西班牙的飛機，美國在那裡有兩個基地可以運作，有十幾架飛機從西班牙轉移到德國的拉姆施泰因這個非常大的基地。

Has said that the US can use those bases for its operations in the Middle East.

他說美國可以使用這些基地來在中東進行軍事行動。

So that was something that President Trump mentioned and merits.

所以這是川普總統和梅爾茲總理都提過的事。

Has been very careful not to directly criticize the US Actions.

他一直很小心，沒有直接批評美國的行動。

He is reluctant to say that he would support them.

他不太願意說他會支持這些行動。

You know, many European leaders, as I said before, are uncomfortable with the fact that these operations may not be completely in accordance with international law.

你知道，就像我之前說的，很多歐洲領導人都對這些行動可能不完全符合國際法感到不安。

But Chancellor Maers has been pretty tight lipped about that, and he was rewarded by Trump there.

但梅爾茲總理對此一直守口如瓶，而川普也是以給予了他肯定。

As he sat in the White House today, Terry referred a little to it.

今天他在白宮時，泰瑞稍微提到了這件事。

Is anyone in Brussels worried that Europe could end up being pulled deeper into this war?

布魯塞爾有人擔心歐洲可能會被更深地捲入這場戰爭嗎？

I think not just in Brussels, but in every European capital, because, as you say, we.

我覺得不只是在布魯塞爾，歐洲每個首都都是這樣，因為就像你說的，我們。

We have seen drone attacks hit bases in Cyprus.

我們看到無人機攻擊了賽普勒斯的基地。

Whether or not that was intentional, who knows.

無論那是不是故意的，誰知道呢。

But nonetheless, it did force a rethink on the part of European leaders about what role they will have to play.

但無論如何，這確實迫使歐洲領導人重新思考他們將扮演什麼角色。

Many countries, of course, still have citizens in the region.

當然，許多國家在那裡還有他們的公民。

But with airspace very dangerous, it's not easy to get planes in and planes out.

但由於空域非常危險，要讓飛機進出並不容易。

So you've actually got European lives at stake on the ground there and no guarantee that things are going to slow down in terms of the conflict.

所以你實際上讓歐洲人的生命在那裡面臨風險，而且無法保證衝突會放緩。

So I think European leaders are very worried and they have already been dragged in.

所以我認為歐洲領導人非常擔心，而且他們已經被捲入其中了。

You would not see the Charles de Gaulle steaming to the Mediterranean on a normal day.

在平常的日子裡，你不會看到戴高樂號航行到地中海。

So certainly any resources that European countries have to send to defend their interests in this conflict are certainly therefore not available for guarding the homeland or for any other operations that NATO might need or the European Union might need.

所以歐洲國家用來捍衛他們在這場衝突中的利益的任何資源，當然就無法用於保衛家園，或是北約或歐盟可能需要的其他行動。

So certainly these are stretching European resources.

所以這確實是讓歐洲的資源變得緊繃。

And of course, people still think the worst days may be ahead.

而且當然，人們還是覺得最壞的情況可能還在後頭。

And I also wonder if Trump wonders how he can regularly criticise his European allies and then expect them to support him unconditionally.

我也很好奇，川普是否想過，他可以經常批評他的歐洲盟友，然後又期望他們無條件支持他。

Terry well, he doesn't yet have unconditional support, as we've heard European leaders say that they would like their bases to be used primarily for defensive purposes or for humanitarian missions.

泰瑞，嗯，他還沒有得到無條件的支持，就像我們聽到歐洲領導人說，他們希望他們的基地主要用於防禦目的或人道任務。

But I think that if he does believe that, it's because European leaders have allowed him to believe that.

但我認為，如果他真的這麼認為，那是因為歐洲領導人讓他這麼認為。

He says terrible things about Europe, about NATO, about individual leaders or individual countries sometimes, and

他說關於歐洲、關於北約、有時候關於個別領導人或個別國家的難聽的話，

the Europeans simply don't have the backbone to stand up to him when he says those things.

而歐洲人根本沒有骨氣在他說這些話的時候站出來反對他。

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