Name: 與 Linus Torvalds 閒聊！ (Hanging out with Linus Torvalds)
Uploaded: 2026-02-22T21:36:38.000Z
Duration: 10 min 34 s

情態助動詞 A2

I actually did have a question for you that could be interesting on camera.

我其實有個問題想問你，應該蠻適合在鏡頭前聊的。

過去簡單式

A friend of mine had some kernel experience writing drivers for amd.

我有個朋友，他有一些 kernel 的經驗，是幫 AMD 寫 drivers 的。

And he heard you say a little while ago that there's not enough contributors or you're having a hard time finding contributors.

然後他聽到你剛才說，好像 contributors 不夠，或是你們很難找到 contributors。

And he wondered where to start to look into what he could do.

他就想說，那他可以從哪裡開始著手，看看他能做些什麼。

So I think that probably came not so much from contributors as we have a hard time finding.

所以我想，這個問題可能不是 contributors 不夠，而是我們很難找到。

We have a harder time finding maintainers.

So the problem is there's a lot of programmers, a lot of them actually getting paid to do Linux kernel work, but

所以問題是，有很多 programmers，很多他們其實是領薪水在做 Linux kernel 的工作，但是

it's much harder to find the kind of person who stays around for years.

所以我想，要找到那種可以長久待下來的人，其實更難。

When you're a maintainer, it's not just that you have to know coding.

當你是一個 maintainer 的時候，不只是你要懂 coding。

You have to have enough of a background that people know, you know, coding.

你必須要有足夠的背景，讓大家知道，你知道，coding。

There has to be some mind, like knowledge about you and you can't come from nothing.

必須要有某種程度的知識，大家對你有所認識，你不能是完全沒有背景的。

And the other thing is you have to be pretty good at communication too.

然後另外一個就是，你溝通能力也要很不錯。

I think it's harder to find maintainers than it is to find people to code.

我覺得要找到 maintainers，比找到會 coding 的人還要難。

I mean, we have tons of developers who like doing the coding part.

我覺得，我們有很多 developers 喜歡做 coding 的部分。

I think people are kind of scared of taking the next step.

我覺得大家有點害怕踏出下一步。

People think that it's harder or think that the expectations aren't necessarily higher than they.

大家會覺得這比較難，或是覺得期望值沒有比他們高。

The only thing you have to do is you have to step up.

你唯一要做的就是，你必須要站出來。

You have to have done enough that people recognize your name.

你必須要有足夠的貢獻，讓大家認識你的名字。

Then you have to just step up and say, hey, I'd like to help maintain this area.

然後你就要站出來說，嘿，我想幫忙維護這個部分。

And if you do that, the answer almost certainly is going to be yes, we want people who help maintain an area.

如果你這麼做，答案幾乎肯定會是「好」，我們想要幫忙維護某個部分的人。

Is it that you're going to be contributing and passing up the chain first?

是你會先貢獻，然後往上呈報嗎？

Yeah, yeah, you do have to basically start.

對啊，對啊，你基本上就是要開始。

It's kind of like a lot of companies have this policy that you grow from within, that everybody starts at the bottom.

這有點像很多公司都有這種政策，就是從內部培養，每個人都從基層做起。

And it doesn't have to be bottom bottom, but

you have to start out being a programmer that writes code, or not necessarily even code documentation is the exact same is true of do implementation tests and stuff like that.

你必須要從一個寫程式的 programmer 開始，或者不一定是寫 code，寫 documentation 也是一樣，做 implementation tests 那些也都是。

We have maintainers for all of those areas.

我們在這些領域都有 maintainers。

You can't just say, show up and say, hey, I'd like to help.

你不能只是說，出現然後說，嘿，我想幫忙。

What you have to do is you write some code so that people get to know.

你必須要做的是，你寫一些 code，讓大家認識你。

And then when they know you, when you Say, hey, I'd like to help maintain and help carry like spread the burden around of maintenance.

然後當他們認識你的時候，你就可以說，嘿，我想幫忙維護，然後幫忙分擔維護的負擔。

Sorry, I'm not going to sneak in and grab.

抱歉，我不會偷偷摸摸地去搶。

I know I'm the one who put you guys here.

We have a ton of people who I'm sure would have more people reviewing patches.

我們有很多人，我相信他們可以有更多人來 review patches。

So when you say that, you have to see how shy they are.

所以當你這麼說的時候，你得看看他們有多害羞。

I just spent the last two hours with you though, so I experience they can't come from nothing.

不過我剛剛花了兩個小時跟你在一起，所以我體驗到他們不可能憑空出現。

Do you mean with the Linux project specifically, with just coding in general?

你是指具體來說是 Linux 專案，還是指 coding 總體而言？

I mean, yes, you probably have experience from other sources too.

我是說，對，你可能也有其他來源的經驗。

Maybe you had other projects, maybe you were doing commercial.

也許你有其他專案，也許你做過商業專案。

But in order to get that name recognition where people know who you are.

但為了獲得那種名氣，讓大家知道你是誰。

Because that's, I think like personal trust is a big deal in open source.

因為我認為，個人信任在開源專案裡很重要。

It's like you got hired, you're working at the same company, so we trust you kind of thing.

就像你被聘用，你在同一家公司工作，所以我們信任你。

You're part of the team now because our manager put you on the team.

你現在是團隊的一份子，因為我們的經理把你加入團隊了。

Gone through the process, we verify and in open source, that's not how it works.

走完了流程，我們驗證了，但在開源專案裡，不是這樣運作的。

Open source, it's like, I trust you because I seen you around.

開源專案，就像，我信任你，因為我常看到你。

Doesn't necessarily take very long, right?

不一定需要花費很久的時間，對吧？

I mean, they've been around for ages now, but

我是說，他們已經在這邊很久了，但是

there are maintainers who became maintainers in a couple of months because they just, they showed that, hey, they know what they're doing, they were being helpful and doing the right things.

有些 maintainers 幾個月就上任了，因為他們展現了、嘿，他們知道自己在做什麼，他們很樂於助人，也做了正確的事。

然後他們就說，嘿，我可以幫忙嗎？

And everybody said, yes, please, come on.

I say it's not that hard, but I only see the other side of it.

我說它不難，但我只看到它的另一面。

So I may not see all the people who struggled and never put in.

所以，我可能看不到那些努力過但沒有投入的人。

So getting your foot in the door is like showing up and communicating with people who are on the project, seeing where you can lend a hand reviewing documentation, reviewing.

所以，要踏入這個領域，就像是現身並與專案上的開發者們溝通，看看你可以在哪些地方幫忙，像是審閱文件、審閱。

That's probably the first thing to do even before you start reviewing.

這大概是你在開始審閱之前，最應該做的一件事。

Because in order for people to know that your reviews are worthwhile, they need to kind of know that your code is worthwhile.

因為要讓大家知道你的審閱是有價值的，他們需要先知道你的 coding 是有價值的。

I mean, that's one of the advantages of the URL.

我的意思是，這就是 URL 的優勢之一。

There are tons of different areas, right?

Find the device or the architecture or whatever that you are interested in.

找到你感興趣的 device 或 architecture 或任何東西。

Sometimes it could be files, it could be encryption, it could be whatever.

有時候可能是檔案、可能是加密，可能是任何東西。

There's a lot of code and find something that you care about and that you think you know something about and that you can see something proving you find something you don't like, fix it, you send a patch, you communicate with the maintainer, the existing maintainer of that problem, and

有很多程式碼，然後找到你關心、你覺得你懂、而且你看得到能證明你找到你不喜歡的東西，把它修正，送出 patch，跟 maintainer 溝通，就是那個問題的現有 maintainer，然後

that's how you kind of get the communication going.

Find something you've got a real itch for.

找一個你真的很有感覺的事情。

I mean, the kernel may be a high profile project and one of the biggest ones around there, but

我是說，kernel 可能是一個高知名度的專案，也是其中最大的之一，但是

let's be honest, there's thousands of open source projects and kernels are kind of.

說實話，開源專案有成千上萬個，而 kernel 算是。

I think kernels are the most interesting ones.

Realistically we do have 35 years code, so quite often if there's something new that needs new code, it's often like new hardware support.

實際上我們有 35 年的程式碼了，所以很多時候如果需要新的東西，通常是新的硬體支援。

So that's, that's quite often how people get into kernel maintenance, because that's where they're.

所以這通常是大家開始參與 kernel maintenance 的方式，因為那裡就是他們。

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