Name: 瑪西：我認為潘·邦迪對潘·邦迪沒信心！ (‘I don't think Pam Bondi has confidence in Pam Bondi’: Massie)
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And I'm joined now by Republican Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who helped lead the efforts to release the Epstein files.

現在加入我們的是來自肯塔基州的共和黨國會議員 Thomas Massie，他協助推動了 Epstein檔案的釋出。

I would like your overall reaction to the hearing this week and Pam Bondi's performance.

我想聽聽您對本週聽證會以及 Pam Bondi 表現的整體看法。

She came with a book full of insults, one for each congressperson.

她帶來一本充滿侮辱的書，裡面寫給每一位國會議員一句。

And, you know, I've been there when Merrick Garland is there.

還有，你知道的，Merrick Garland 在場的時候我也在。

Obviously, politically, I don't agree with him, but

顯然，政治上我不同意他，但是

he performed much better in terms of at least not looking bad.

至少在看起來不差這方面，他的表現好多了。

And unfortunately, we didn't get the answers we wanted about the Epstein Files Transparency act from her.

而且很可惜，我們沒有從她那裡得到我們想要的關於 Epstein檔案透明法案的答案。

Did you get any of the answers you wanted?

你有得到任何你想要的答案嗎？

But she did come off her script and engage with me about this production of documents, where she admitted that 40 minutes after I pointed out to the DOJ that they had over redacted some of the documents, they did unredact those documents.

但她確實脫稿，跟我討論了這份文件製作，她承認在我向美國司法部指出他們過度刪節了一些文件後的 40 分鐘內，他們確實重新刪節了那些文件。

So it's clear they've made mistakes in the document production.

所以很明顯他們在文件製作上犯了錯。

And it's clear that their work is not done here yet.

而且很明顯他們在這裡的工作還沒結束。

You and Congressman Ro Khanna said names of some of the men who were redacted shouldn't have been.

你和國會議員 Ro Khanna 說出了一些被刪節但其實不應該被刪節的男人的名字。

They then sent that back to you, and two of them were not redacted.

然後他們把那個寄回給你，其中兩份沒有被刪節。

But on Friday, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch accused you and Congressman Khanna of unmasking those people, saying they had nothing to do with Epstein or Maxwell.

但週五時，副總檢察長 Todd Blanch 指控你和國會議員 Khanna 揭露了這些人，說他們跟 Epstein 或 Maxwell 毫無關係。

Well, three hours before Todd Blanche himself unredacted those names, I told him in an X post, which I know he read because he reposted it, that those may be men in a lineup.

嗯，在 Todd Blanche 自己揭露這些名字的三小時前，我在 X 上發文告訴他，我知道他有看，因為他轉發了，我說這些可能是陣容裡的男人。

And then I went on TV and said, those may be men in a lineup.

然後我上電視說，這些可能是陣容裡的男人。

And it was actually the DOJ who released those names, which is fine, but

而且實際上是美國司法部公佈了這些名字，這沒問題，但是

they omitted the context that I provided, which is these may be men in a lineup.

他們省略了我提供的背景，也就是這些可能是陣容裡的男人。

Now, there were two men who needed to be named, one of whom has already resigned.

現在，有兩個人需要被點名，其中一人已經辭職了。

The Emirate Sultan resigned as a CEO of a very large company because we released his name.

Emirate Sultan 因為我們公佈了他的名字，辭去了某家大公司的執行長職務。

I'll add him to the list with Jess Staley and Leon Black, who need to be investigated right now.

我會把他加到名單裡，和 Jess Staley 和 Leon Black 一起，他們現在就需要被調查。

Leslie Wexner is the one who, you know, Pam Bondi said, oh, he's appeared thousands of times in these documents.

Leslie Wexner 就是，你知道的，Pam Bondi 說，哦，他在這些文件裡出現了好幾千次。

But I pointed out to her they redacted his name from the one document that says child sex trafficking co conspirator.

但我跟她指出，他們把其中一份文件裡他的名字刪掉了，那份文件寫著兒童性交易共犯。

And my question is, who is the person at DOJ who redacted Leslie Wexner's name from a document titled child sex trafficking with co conspirator next to his name?

我的問題是，美國司法部裡是誰把 Leslie Wexner 的名字從一份標題為「兒童性交易與共犯」的文件裡刪掉的？

And I want to say right now that Wexner denies and they say he was not a coconspirator.

我現在要說，Wexner 否認，他們說他不是共犯。

The assistant U.S. attorney told Mr. Wexner's legal legal counsel in 2019 that Mr.

美國助理檢察官在 2019 年告訴 Wexner 先生的法律顧問，說 Wexner 先生

Wexner was neither co conspirator nor target in any respect.

Wexner 在任何方面都不是共犯，也不是調查目標。

Mr. Wexner cooperated fully by providing background information on Epstein and was never contacted again.

Wexner 先生透過提供有關 Epstein 的背景資訊而充分配合，之後再也沒有被聯繫過。

但如果可以的話，我想繼續進行。

Yesterday, the DOJ sent Congress a letter explaining the reason for all these reactions.

美國司法部昨天寄了一封信給國會，解釋所有這些反應的原因。

They're citing deliberative process privilege in order not to release some of the documents.

他們引用了審議程序特權，以避免發布部分文件。

The problem with that is the bill that Ro Khanna and I wrote says that they must release internal memos and notes and emails about their decisions on whether to prosecute or not prosecute, whether to investigate or not investigate.

問題在於 Ro Khanna 和我寫的法案規定，他們必須發布關於是否起訴或不予起訴、是否調查或不予調查的內部備忘錄、筆記和電子郵件。

It's important they follow that because then we could find why they didn't prosecute Leslie Wexner, what was the decision tree there, and

他們遵守這點很重要，因為這樣我們就能知道為什麼他們沒有起訴 Leslie Wexner，當時的決策過程是怎樣的，

also why in 2008 they gave Jeffrey Epstein such a light sentence.

也知道為什麼他們在 2008 年給 Jeffrey Epstein 那麼輕的判決。

And finally, I know the DOJ wants to say they're done with this document production.

最後，我知道美國司法部想說他們已經完成了這份文件製作。

The problem is they've taken down documents before.

問題是他們之前就已經下架過文件了。

We were able to go over to the DOJ and look at the unredacted versions.

我們能夠到美國司法部去查看未刪節的版本。

They took down some of the most significant documents, two of them involving Virginia Giuffray's case and other things.

他們下架了一些最重要的文件，其中兩份涉及 Virginia Giuffray 的案子和其他事情。

The picture of Epstein, a room where it's got CIA written on the boxes that's been taken down.

Epstein 的照片，一個上面寫著 CIA 的房間，這些都已經被下架了。

We want to be able to look at all these files.

我們希望能看到所有這些檔案。

They can't keep those documents down after they've already produced them.

他們不能在已經製作了文件之後又把它們下架。

I want to talk to you about one of the moments in the hearing, and

我想跟各位談談聽證會中的一個時刻，

that is the attorney general would not look at the Epstein survivors behind her.

那就是總檢察長不願看她身後的 Epstein 受害者們。

I think that was kind of cold on her part.

And look, these survivors would love to have a meeting.

而且你看，這些倖存者很希望能有個會面。

It's not about Bill Clinton and it's not about Donald Trump.

這跟 Bill Clinton 無關，也跟 Donald Trump 無關。

This Epstein Files Transparency act was about getting these survivors justice.

這項 Epstein檔案透明法案的宗旨是讓這些倖存者獲得正義。

We've got some degree of transparency, but it's called the Department of Justice, not the Department of Transparency.

我們獲得了一定程度的透明度，但它叫做美國司法部，而不是透明部。

And so what these survivors need, they need to see some of their own 302forms, which haven't been released, and

所以這些倖存者需要的是，他們需要看到他們自己的一些 302 表格，這些表格還沒有被釋出，而且

they also need to see some of the men that they've implicated, prosecuted.

他們也需要看到一些他們所牽連、被起訴的男人。

Do you still have confidence in Pam Bondi as Attorney General?

你對 Pam Bondi 擔任總檢察長還有信心嗎？

I don't think Pam Bondi has confidence in Pam Bondi.

我不認為 Pam Bondi 對 Pam Bondi 還有信心。

She wasn't confident enough to engage in anything but name calling in a hearing.

在聽證會上，她除了惡意攻擊外，沒有足夠的信心參與任何事。

And so, no, I don't have confidence in her.

She hasn't got any sort of accountability there at the doj.

她在美國司法部那裡沒有任何形式的問責。

When I asked her specifically who redacted Leslie Wexner's name from the one document that mattered, she couldn't give me an answer.

當我具體問她，是誰從那份重要的文件中刪除了 Leslie Wexner 的名字時，她給不了我答案。

But ultimately, it's her who is responsible for the document production, according to our law, the Attorney General.

但是最終，根據我們的法律，總檢察長才是負責文件製作的人。

You can assign tasks to people, but you can't assign your responsibility.

你可以指派任務給別人，但你不能推卸你的責任。

And just very quickly, if you will, you've supported most of what Donald Trump has done during his presidency because of your actions with these files.

而且很快地，如果你願意的話，你支持了川普總統任內的大部分作為，因為你處理了這些檔案。

He is supporting your primary opponent and has waged very personal attacks on you.

他支持你的主要對手，並對你發動了非常個人的攻擊。

I know we just have a few seconds here, but just your reaction to that.

我知道我們只剩下幾秒鐘，但你對此有什麼看法？

Look, this is about the Epstein class, the people who are funding the attacks against me.

你看，這跟 Epstein 案有關，那些資助攻擊我的人。

They may or may not be implicated in these files, but

他們可能牽涉其中，也可能沒有，但

they were certainly rubbing shoulders with the people who are in these files.

他們絕對跟這些檔案裡的人有來往。

They're billionaires who are friends with these people, and that's what I'm up against.

他們是跟這些人稱兄道弟的億萬富翁，這就是我必須面對的。

donald Trump told us that, even though, you know, he had dinner with these kinds of people in New York City and West Palm, Palm beach, that he would be transparent.

川普告訴我們，即使，你知道，他在紐約市和西棕櫚灘、棕櫚灘跟這類人吃過飯，他也會公開透明。

他仍然和 Epstein 那群人有來往。

This is the Epstein administration, and they're attacking me for trying to get these files released.

這是 Epstein 的政府，他們卻攻擊我試圖公開這些檔案。

And again, I'm going to say President Trump has not been accused of anything criminal here.

我再說一次，川普總統在這裡沒有被指控任何刑事罪名。

Thank you very much for joining us this morning, Congressman.

非常感謝今天早上加入我們的國會議員。