Name: 摩根·麥克斯威尼因曼德爾森醜聞辭去英國首相幕僚長職務！BBC新聞 (Morgan McSweeney resigns as UK PM’s chief of staff following Mandelson scandal | BBC News)
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Now some breaking news here in the uk, in the world of politics.

We're getting notification that number 10 has confirmed that Morgan McSweeney has resigned as the Prime Minister's Chief of Staff.

我們收到消息，英國首相官邸已證實，摩根·麥克斯威尼已辭去首相的幕僚長一職。

There was a question mark over his position given that he was supportive of the of appointing Lord Mantlesen as the UK ambassador to the United States.

鑑於他曾支持任命曼特爾森勳爵為英國駐美國大使，他的職位一直備受質疑。

The number 10 now confirming that Morgan McSweeney has quitted.

英國首相官邸現已證實摩根·麥克斯威尼已辭職。

Well, our political correspondent Billy Kenber is back with us.

我們的政治記者比利·肯伯又回來了。

And Billy, just a second ago we were talking about his position, whether it was tenable.

比利，就在剛才我們還在談論他的職位，看看是否還保得住。

Well, it looks like that decision has now been made indeed.

嗯，看來這個決定現在已經做出了。

And we've got his, his resignation statement here.

He says that the decision to appoint Peter Mendelssohn was wrong, that he's damaged the Labour Party, our country and trust in politics itself.

他說任命彼得·門德爾森的決定是錯誤的，這損害了工黨、我們的國家以及對政治本身的信任。

He said that when asked, I advise the Prime Minister to make that appointment and I take full responsibility for, for that advice.

他說，當被問到時，他建議首相做出這項任命，而他要為此建議負全責。

He said, in public life, responsibility must be owned when it matters most, not just when it's most convenient.

他說，在公眾生活中，責任必須在最關鍵的時候承擔，而不僅僅是在最方便的時候。

And he's decided that in the circumstances, the only honorable course is to step aside.

而他決定在這種情況下，唯一的有尊嚴的做法就是退位。

He concludes in this statement, a rather lengthy statement too, with a two further reflections.

他在這份聲明中，也是一份相當冗長的聲明，提出了兩點進一步的反思。

One, that it was important to remember the women and girls whose lives were ruined by Jeffrey Epstein and whose voices went unheard for far too long.

第一，記住那些因傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦而人生毀滅、聲音長期被忽視的女性和女孩們是很重要的。

The second is that the due diligence and vetting process, which he says he didn't oversee, what did need to be fundamentally overhauled, it was flawed.

第二，他表示自己沒有監督的盡職調查和審查程序，確實需要徹底改革，因為它是有缺陷的。

And that that cannot simply be a gesture, but a safeguard for the future.

而這不能僅僅是個姿態，而是未來的保障。

He says he remains fully supportive of the Prime Minister.

So the breaking news that Morgan McSweeney has resigned as Secure Starmer's chief of staff will go down through the timeline of who knew what when, because that's really critical.

是以，摩根·麥克斯威尼辭去基爾·斯塔默幕僚長的職務這個突發新聞，將會被時間軸記錄下來，以瞭解誰在何時知道什麼，因為這真的很關鍵。

Billy, just worth you reminding us the significance of Mor McSweeney because he really masterminded Secure Starmer's path to Downing Street.

Billy，你提醒我們摩根·麥克斯威尼的重要性是很值得的，因為他確實是引導基爾·斯塔默進入唐寧街的關鍵人物。

他對確保基爾·斯塔默的成功至關重要。

He is Keir Starmer's and has been Keir Starmer's closest aide.

他是基爾·斯塔默最親近的助手，而且一直都是。

He was there when Keir Starmer became leader of the Labour Party in 2020.

他在2020年基爾·斯塔默成為工黨領袖時就在那裡。

He had overseen the reshaping of the Labour Party that that has taken place under Keir Starmer, the selection of candidates, the campaign, the successful general election campaign only 18 months ago, which won that resounding majority and then followed him, of course, into.

他監督了工黨在基爾·斯塔默領導下進行的重塑，包括候選人的挑選、競選活動，以及僅在18個月前那場贏得壓倒性多數席次的成功大選，然後當然地，跟隨他進入了。

Into government, working at the heart of number 10 since he came into power, a hugely significant figure in the Starmer project and in this Labour government and one who today has resigned.

進入政府，自從他上任以來，一直在英國首相官邸的核心工作，是斯塔默計畫和這個工黨政府中一個極具影響力的人物，而他今天已經辭職了。

And I guess the question now is, is that enough to get the pressure off, secure Starmer?

我猜現在的問題是，這是否足以減輕基爾·斯塔默的壓力？

Because we've heard the strength of feeling of Labour MPs, will it be enough potentially for him carry on as leader?

因為我們聽到了工黨國會議員們強烈表達的感受，這是否足以讓他繼續擔任領袖？

Well, historically we've, we have seen Prime Minister's leaders have to sacrifice key aids and it rarely ends happily for the leader themselves.

嗯，歷史上我們曾見過首相的領導者不得不犧牲重要助手，這很少會讓領導者自己有好結局。

Only this morning, Pat McFadden was one of.

就在今天早上，派特·麥克法登就是其中之一。

One of Keir Starmer's close allies in the Cabinet, was asked on, on the Laura Keenzburg program whether whether Morgan McSweeney should go.

在內閣中，基爾·斯塔默的一位親密盟友，在勞拉·基恩斯伯格的節目上被問到摩根·麥克斯威尼是否應該離開。

He said no, he saw no point in that, that there was no point in McSweeney going if, if Keir Starmer was remaining as Prime Minister.

他說不，他認為那沒有意義，如果基爾·斯塔默要繼續擔任首相，麥克斯威尼離開也沒有意義。

They are, they are integral to, to this political project, to the government, one intertwined one in one and another.

他們，他們是這個政治計畫、這個政府不可或缺的一部分，一個與另一個緊密相連。

There were others, of course, who were calling for, for Morgan McSweeney to go.

當然，也有其他人呼籲摩根·麥克斯威尼離開。

And that pressure had clearly been building, particularly in the last 24 hours.

這種壓力顯然一直在累積，尤其是在過去的24小時內。

David Blunkitt, speaking on the radio this morning, said that he felt the Prime Minister was being poorly advised and that a new Chief of Staff was needed.

大衛·布朗基特今天早上在廣播中表示，他認為首相的建議很差，需要一位新的幕僚長。

And other figures among Labour MPs who weren't outright calling for Starmer to go were pointing fingers at those around him, calling it a boys club in one instance.

另外，工黨議員中也有一些人雖然沒有直接呼籲施特默下臺，但卻指責他身邊的人，甚至形容這是一個「兄弟會」。

And the issue here is that Morgan McSweeney was really supportive of Lord Mandelson's appointment as UK ambassador.

而問題就在於，摩根·麥克斯威尼其實非常支持曼德爾森勳爵被任命為英國駐美國大使。

But at that stage we already knew that there was a relationship that had been going on for a while between Lord Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein and that had been reported by the FTSE and also in the BBC, that those that relationship was known because JP Morgan was looking into it.

但當時我們已經知道，曼德爾森勳爵和傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦之間長期以來一直有聯繫，這件事已經被富時指數和BBC報導過，而且因為摩根大通正在調查此事，所以這種聯繫是眾所周知的。

No, at its core, this is a controversy, and more than a controversy really about the Prime Minister.

不，說到底，這是一場爭議，而且與其說爭議，不如說更多是關於首相。

Question marks about the Prime Minister's judgment.

And why did Peter Mandelson get appointed at a time when it was in the public domain that he had continued to have an involvement, a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein after his conviction for underage sex in 2008?

為什麼彼得·曼德爾森會在公開資訊顯示他自2008年因未成年人性行為定罪後，仍持續與傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦有往來、有關係時被任命？

There was a real moment in the last week in the Commons on Wednesday when the Prime Minister admitted at the third time of asking that he had been aware of that ongoing relationship.

上週三在下議院出現了一個關鍵時刻，首相在第三次被問及時，承認他確實知道這段持續的關係。

But it was already out there, it was out there publicly for those who were paying attention.

但這早就已經公開了，對於那些有在關注的人來說，早就公開了。

And so the questions, the question really was why was the Prime Minister not more curious and was this a calculated risk that they took at the time that they thought Mandelson was an appointment that would work in a particular circumstance of particular politics around the Trump administration and that these, this issue around his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein was a, was a price worth paying.

所以問題，真正的問題是，為什麼首相沒有更仔細地去了解？這是不是他們當時計算過的風險，認為曼德爾森的任命在當時的政治環境下，尤其是在川普政府時期，是可行的，而他與傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦的關係問題，是「值得付出的代價」。

Now, of course, number 10 would say they absolutely didn't know the depth of the relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and between Jeffrey Epstein and Lord Mandelson.

當然，英國首相官邸會說，他們絕對不知道這段關係的深度，以及傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦和曼德爾森勳爵之間的關係。

And what's emerged in the last week, I think has, has clearly legitimately shocked those at the heart of government, those who've known Lord Mandelson for a long time.

而我認為，過去一週出現的這些事情，確實讓政府核心人員，以及許多認識曼德爾森勳爵很久的人，感到震驚。

The revelations that he passed confidential, potentially confidential information, potentially market sensitive information while he was in government, while he was Business Secretary under Gordon Brown to Jeffrey Epstein, information that it would be potentially possible for someone to make money from, that has clearly caused huge anger.

這些揭露指出，他在擔任戈登·布朗政府的商業大臣期間，將機密、可能敏感的市場資訊傳遞給了傑弗裡·愛潑斯坦，這些資訊有可能讓某人從中獲利，這顯然引起了巨大的憤怒。

And also the detail of how frequently they were talking, how, how often and often in a lighthearted and joking manner, we should say.

還有他們談話的頻率，以及談話的內容，我們應該說，很多時候是以一種輕鬆開玩笑的方式進行的。

Of course, the police investigation remains ongoing and Lord Mandelson, we understand, maintains that he has not behaved criminally, in his view.

當然，警方調查仍在進行中，據我們瞭解，曼德爾森勳爵堅持認為，在他看來，他並沒有做出任何刑事行為。

And it's one of just on, on the appointment, just reminding the audience that Secure Starmer was actually, they wanted a political appointment.

關於任命這件事，我只想提醒大家，施凱爾·斯塔默實際上，他們想要的是一個政治任命。

The changing dynamic with the Trump administration.

So they wanted this to be a hard hitting political appointment, but

所以他們想要的是一個強硬的政治任命，但

actually Secure Starmer was keen on George Osborne, the former UK Conservative Chancellor, rather than Lord Mandelson.

實際上，施凱爾·斯塔默對喬治·奧斯本，也就是前英國保守黨財政大臣，比對曼德爾森勳爵更感興趣。

There were a number of names in the frame once the decision was made to make a political appointment.

一旦決定做出政治任命，名單上就有不少人選。

David Miliband was much talked about as well, of course, former Labour MP and brother of Ed Miliband.

大衛·米利班德也備受討論，他當然是前工黨國會議員，也是艾德·米利班德的哥哥。

We've heard reports, particularly in the last few days, in light of what's now happened and the acknowledgment that this was a huge mistake, that there were members of the cabinet that were advising against appointing Lord Mandelson, among them the former Deputy leader, Angela Rayner.

我們聽到了報導，尤其是在過去幾天，鑑於現在發生的事情以及承認這是一個巨大的錯誤，內閣中有成員曾建議不要任命曼德爾森勳爵，其中包括前副黨魁安吉拉·雷納。

So there were clearly voices with different views, but

ultimately the decision was made and ultimately the decision is signed off by the Prime Minister.

最終還是做出了決定，最終的決定是由首相簽署的。

And so I think the key question now with Morgan McSweeney going is, is, will this be enough to save the Prime Minister?

所以我想現在關於摩根·麥克蘇尼離職的關鍵問題是，這是否足以挽救首相？

This is clearly a moment of huge political crisis for the Prime Minister, huge threat to him staying in power, holding on to his job, that pressure does it now go simply because his, his closest aid goes?

這顯然是首相面臨的巨大政治危機時刻，對他繼續執政、保住職位構成了巨大威脅，這種壓力現在就會消失，僅僅因為他最親近的助手離開了？

This is a really fast moving development.

Just to remind everybody potentially joining us on the BBC News Channel, Morgan McSweeney has resigned as Secure Starmer's Chief of Staff.

再次提醒所有可能正在收看 BBC 新聞頻道的觀眾，摩根·麥克蘇尼已經辭去了基爾·斯塔默的幕僚長職務。

He's issued a full statement, a long statement, which is available on our website.

他已經發表了完整的聲明，一份很長的聲明，可以在我們的網站上找到。

But to abbreviate it, he says that the decision to appoint Lord Mandelson, Peter Mandelson, was wrong.

但簡而言之，他說任命曼德爾森勳爵，彼得·曼德爾森，是錯誤的。

That decision to appoint him as UK Ambassador to the us.

那個任命他為英國駐美國大使的決定。

He says he leaves with pride in all we have achieved, mixed with regret at the circumstances of my departure.

他說，他帶著對我們所取得的一切成就的自豪感離開，同時也對我離開的處境感到遺憾。

But this is, Billy, really fast moving because just this morning, Pat McFarlane was doing the rounds on the morning political shows.

但這，比利，進展非常快，因為就在今天早上，派特·麥克法蘭還在早上的政治節目中露面。

He told Laura Kuenzberg that removing Morgan McSweeney would cost the UK's economy.

他告訴 Laura Kuenzberg，撤換 Morgan McSweeney 將會損害英國經濟。

And removing Sir Keir Starmer as Prime Minister, rather, would cost the UK's economy and international reputation.

而撤換 Keir Starmer 爵士擔任首相，更會損害英國的經濟和國際聲譽。

So he was very much insisting that Sikhistama should stay.

所以他非常堅持 Sikhistama 應該留任。

The question now is, with Morgan McSweeney leaving, is that feasible for the Prime Minister, who's been arguably hugely wounded over all of this?

現在的問題是，隨著 Morgan McSweeney 的離開，對於這位首相來說，這是否可行？他在此事上受到的重創是毋庸置疑的。

Well, where we stand now is, I think it's really where we stood for a few days now.

嗯，我們現在的處境，我認為和幾天前的情況差不多。

There are many Labour MPs, I would say potentially most Labour MPs who believe that it is not a question of if he can survive, but

有許多工黨國會議員，我認為可能大多數工黨國會議員都認為，問題不在於他能否撐下去，而是

And the question around the timing rather than whether he will survive.

問題在於時機，而不是他是否能撐下去。

I think you could see this morning In Pat McFadden's interview, how severe the sense of gravity at how serious a situation this is, his acknowledgment of just how politically damaging the last week has been, his plea, really, to colleagues, to say, as you, as you say there, that he doesn't think it's a good idea to change leader, that he doesn't think the country wants another change in leader, another change in Prime Minister, another situation where prime ministers only last 18 months to two years.

我想你今天早上在 Pat McFadden 的訪談中可以看到，他對目前情況的嚴重性有多麼嚴肅，他承認過去一週在政治上造成了多大的損害，他懇請同事們，正如你所說的，他認為更換領導人不是個好主意，他不認為國家想要另一位領導人更迭，另一位首相更迭，另一種首相只任職 18 個月到兩年的情況。

And he said as part of that, that he didn't see any value in a change of staff around Prime Minister, that the Chief of Staff going wouldn't.

他並說，作為其中一部分，他認為更換首相周圍的幕僚沒有任何價值，幕僚長離開不會。

Wouldn't change things, wouldn't fix things, and

也不會改變現狀，也不會解決問題，

that in his view, the Prime Minister should be given a chance to get on with the job in hand in implementing his.

在他看來，首相應該有機會繼續執行他手上的工作。

Whether that is persuasive for other Labour MPs, well, I think many had already made their minds up and it's unlikely that Morgan McSweeney leaving will change them.

這對其他工黨國會議員是否具有說服力，嗯，我想許多人已經打定主意了，Morgan McSweeney 的離開不太可能改變他們。

And what is worth just reminding everybody is that when it comes to Morgan McSweeney quitting, now that's been confirmed, number 10 issuing that statement and we've got that long statement from Morgan McSweeney himself.

值得提醒大家的是，關於 Morgan McSweeney 的辭職，現在已經證實了，英國首相官邸發布了聲明，我們也看到了 Morgan McSweeney 本人那份冗長的聲明。

This is actually the second chief of staff that Starmer has lost because of course, Sue Gray went previously.

這其實是 Starmer 失去的第二位幕僚長了，因為當然，Sue Gray 之前也離開了。

So Sue Gray went previous brought in from the Civil Service very controversially before they came in, before Labour came into power with a remit to prepare the party for power and then dispensed with fairly swiftly after arriving.

所以 Sue Gray 之前離開了，在他們上任前，工黨上臺前，從公務體系引進，帶著為執政做準備的任務，但上任後不久就被相當迅速地解職了。

The suggestion being that the Prime Minister and those around him were not impressed with the, with the preparations that she had made.

這暗示著首相和他身邊的人對她所做的準備並不滿意。