Name: 唐·雷蒙因在明尼蘇達州教堂抗議被捕：我們所知道的！ (Don Lemon arrested after MN church protest: What we know)
Uploaded: 2026-01-30T17:17:12.000Z
Duration: 10 min 58 s

Former CNN anchor and a former colleague of mine and friend, Don Lemon has been taken into custody by federal agents.

前 CNN 主播、我的前同事兼朋友 Don Lemon 被聯邦探員帶走了。

According to his attorney, it comes after Lemon covered the protest earlier this month.

根據他的律師說，這是因為 Lemon 報導了本月稍早的抗議活動。

Dozens of anti ICE protesters rushing inside of a church in St. Paul, Minnesota.

數十名反 ICE 的抗議者衝進了明尼蘇達州聖保羅的一間教堂。

Now, Don has said that he was just there as a journalist photographing the incident as a journalist, asking questions as a journalist after the protesters were went in and has been very clear he was not part of the protest group.

現在，Don 說他只是以記者的身份拍攝事件、以記者的身份提問，在抗議者進入後，他非常清楚自己並不是抗議團體的一份子。

In a statement, Don Lemon's attorney says, quote, this unprecedented attack on the First Amendment and transparent attempt to distract attention from the many crises facing this administration will not stand.

Don Lemon 的律師發表聲明，內容是：「這種前所未有的攻擊美國憲法第一修正案的行為，以及企圖轉移人們對這個政府面臨的諸多危機的注意力，是不會得逞的。」

Don will fight these charges vigorously and thoroughly in court.

Don 將會在法庭上強有力且徹底地對抗這些指控。

Now, I just want to quickly, quickly let you know Don Lemon spoke with Allison Camarotta, another former colleague and friend from CNN who now works for Scripps News, about the church incident.

現在，我只想快速、快速地讓大家知道，Don Lemon 和另一位前同事兼朋友、現任 Scripps News 的 Allison Camarotta 談論了教堂事件。

Let's go to what she told us just moments ago.

讓我們來看看她剛才告訴我們的內容。

So he said that he was covering a protest.

所以他說他當時正在報導一場抗議。

The protesters had reason to believe that the pastor there was an ICE agent.

抗議者有理由相信那裡的牧師是一名 ICE 探員。

The way Don described it to me is that he was doing what we do.

Don 是這樣跟我描述的，他當時在做我們平常做的事。

He knew that they were going to be protesting something.

He says beforehand, which is one of the things that the DOJ has suggested.

他說，事先，這也是美國司法部提出的一點。

He says the protesters went inside the church.

And when he realized that the protest was unfolding inside the church, he then went inside.

然後當他意識到抗議正在教堂內發生時，他就進去了。

And so, you know, obviously our legal experts can describe whether that's trespassing on private property, but

所以，你知道，很明顯我們的法律專家可以說明這是否構成侵佔私人財產，但

And you know, the idea that Don Lemon as a journalist has now been arrested is just in an entirely different category.

你知道，像 Don Lemon 這樣身為記者的身分卻被逮捕了，這完全是另一回事了。

We have just learned that another independent journalist who is very popular here and very well known here in Minneapolis and in Minnesota, Georgia Fort has also been arrested.

我們剛剛得知，另一位在這裡非常受歡迎、在明尼阿波利斯和明尼蘇達州都很有名的獨立記者 Georgia Fort 也被逮捕了。

We have now seen video of her inside of her home telling us that there are FBI agents outside of her door demanding that she come out.

我們現在看到了她在家裡的影片，她告訴我們有 FBI 探員在她家門外，要求她出來。

She said that they said they had a warrant, that they had gone to a grand jury.

她說，他們說他們有搜查令，他們已經去過大陪審團了。

She is describing what is happening, saying that the federal agents say that they had a warrant, that there was a grand jury involved and that she must come out to be arrested.

她正在描述發生的情況，說聯邦探員表示他們有搜查令，有大陪審團介入，她必須出來接受逮捕。

Her attorney advised her to go with them.

And that is exactly what she did, and that she was taken to the Whipple Building.

這也正是她所做的，她被帶到了 Whipple Building。

So now there are two journalists who have been arrested by the FBI, by federal agents, after the incident that happened at a church.

所以現在有兩位記者在教堂事件發生後，被 FBI、被聯邦探員逮捕了。

Joining me now are CNN's Kara Scannell and our chief media analyst, Brian Stelter.

加入我們討論的，有 CNN 的 Kara Scannell 和我們的主要媒體分析師 Brian Stelter。

So, Kara, what are we learning about the situation with Don Lemon?

那麼，Kara，我們對 Don Lemon 的情況有什麼新的瞭解嗎？

Well, Sarah, we do know that Don Lemon was arrested last night in Los angeles in the 11 o' clock hour local time.

嗯，Sarah，我們知道 Don Lemon 昨晚在洛杉磯被逮捕了，時間是當地晚上十一點左右。

I'm told by a source that he was in a hotel lobby on his way to an event related to covering the Grammy Awards, and

我從消息來源得知，他當時在飯店大廳，正要去參加一個與葛萊美獎報導相關的活動，而且

that is when he was arrested by the agents and taken into custody.

這就是探員逮捕他並將他拘留的時候。

It is expected he will appear in court in Los Angeles this morning and that the charges against him will be unsealed.

預計他今天早上會在洛杉磯出庭，針對他的指控也會被公開。

Now, as we've been discussing, Lemon was part of a larger attempt by the Justice Department to bring charges against a number of people, some from the protesterprotesting group last week, and

現在，正如我們一直在討論的，Lemon 是司法部試圖起訴許多人行動的一部分，其中一些人來自上週的抗議團體，而且

that the judge had rejected that complaint against some of the individuals, including Don Lemon.

法官駁回了對包括 Don Lemon 在內的一些人的這項指控。

He had suggested if DOJ wanted to go forward, they might want to look toward going before a grand jury.

他曾建議，如果美國司法部想繼續進行，他們或許可以考慮召開大陪審團。

So that would follow the process that place laid out where the judge did not believe that there was sufficient evidence.

這將遵循法官認為證據不足的程序。

But if a grand jury did, then that would be the route that the Justice Department could take.

但如果大陪審團認為有足夠證據，那將是美國司法部可以採取的途徑。

It's possible that they have returned an indictment, though we have not yet seen the document.

有可能他們已經發布了起訴書，不過我們還沒看到文件。

We have not seen any updates from the court about what this instrument is that Lemon was charged in and specifically what he was charged with.

我們還沒看到法院關於 Lemon 被起訴的這份文件以及具體罪名的任何更新。

We do know, though, that some of the protesters who were there, who were not journalists, but

不過，我們確實知道，當時在場的一些抗議者，他們不是記者，而是

the protesters were charged with going into the church and disrupting this religious service, violating laws related to that.

抗議者被控闖入教堂並擾亂宗教儀式，違反了相關法律。

So it's possible that that will be the similar charge that Lemon will face.

所以，Lemon 面臨的指控可能也會是類似的。

All this will become much more clear, though, once these documents are unsealed and we do that expect that to happen this morning, then as this will then continue to play out.

不過，一旦這些文件被解封，一切就會更清楚了，我們預計會在今天早上發生，然後事情會繼續發展。

I mean, as this new arrest tells us, Lemon was arrested last night in Los Angeles.

就像這次新的逮捕行動告訴我們的，Lemon 昨晚在洛杉磯被捕。

This other journalist was arrested this morning.

這位另一位記者則是在今天早上被捕。

If there are other arrests related to this, because not everyone was charged in that initial complaint that the Justice Department was trying to charge, they could be playing out this morning.

如果還有其他相關的逮捕行動，因為並非所有人都被列在美國司法部最初試圖起訴的控訴書中，這些行動可能會在今天早上進行。

So it may be an instance where we do see additional arrests, and

所以，我們可能會看到額外的逮捕行動，

then we do eventually see this charging document and understand what charges they are specifically facing.

然後最終看到起訴文件，瞭解他們具體面臨哪些指控。

As you said, Lemon's lawyer, Abby Lowell, says that he will fight this vigorously and that, you know, it is not Unprecedented for journalists to be charged, but

如你所說，Lemon 的律師 Abby Lowell 表示，他將會強力對抗，而且，你知道的，記者被起訴並非史無前例，但

it is also very unusual for journalists to be charged because of their First Amendment right to cover events and certain protections that journalists have to participate in capturing news.

記者因為行使美國憲法第一修正案報導事件的權利以及在採集新聞時享有的某些保護而被起訴，這也是非常罕見的。

So there is definitely going to be a big fight here to come on behalf of Don Lemon and most likely the Southern journalists as they fight back on these charges, which, you know, his lawyer is saying is unprecedented attack on the First Amendment.

所以，Don Lemon 和大多數南方記者肯定會為了反擊這些指控而展開一場大戰，他的律師說這是對美國憲法第一修正案前所未有的攻擊。

And as we have seen, the president and his attorney general have gone after people that Trump does see as his perceived enemies.

而且，正如我們所見，總統和他的總檢察長已經對川普視為他眼中釘的人下手了。

Yeah, Kara Scannell, thank you for your reporting and getting us caught up to speed.

是的，Kara Scannell，謝謝你的報導讓我們跟上進度。

We are expecting to see any time now this morning or perhaps into the afternoon the charges, because this has to go through court and it has to be made public.

我們預計今天早上或下午就會看到這些指控，因為這必須經過法院，而且必須公開。

Brian Stelter, now that you are learning that there are two journalists who have been taken into custody, one of whom we know well, our colleague and friend, Don Lemon.

Brian Stelter，現在你們得知有兩名記者被逮捕，其中一人我們很熟，就是我們的同事兼朋友 Don Lemon。

The other who is very well known here as an independent journalist.

另一位是這裡非常知名的獨立記者。

She also saying that she was taken into custody, Georgia Fort.

她也說她被逮捕了，Georgia Fort。

She was covering the Ilhan Omar incident.

她當時正在報導 Ilhan Omar 事件。

What does that tell you about what the Trump administration is doing here?

這告訴了你川普政府在這裡做了什麼？

I mean, the First Amendment is the First Amendment for a reason, a disturbing escalation against reporting in America.

我的意思是，美國憲法第一修正案之所以是第一修正案，是有原因的，這是對美國新聞報導令人不安的升級。

And I would also put it in the framework of protests.

我也會將其置於抗議的框架下。

You know, this is part of an ongoing pressure campaign against protests, especially the kind of provocative anti Trump protest action that we have seen makes the administration so uncomfortable and frankly, makes some voters very uncomfortable.

你知道，這是針對抗議活動持續施壓行動的一部分，尤其是那種挑釁性的反川普抗議行動，讓政府感到非常不舒服，坦白說，也讓一些選民感到非常不舒服。

This is an action, this arrest of Don Lemon, this arrest of this independent journalist who is live streaming and reporting, reporting in Minnesota.

這是一項行動，逮捕 Don Lemon，逮捕這位正在直播和報導的獨立記者，她在明尼蘇達州報導。

This is something that some MAGA loyalists have been demanding.

這是 MAGA 的一些忠誠支持者一直在要求的。

他們一直希望看到這件事發生。

This is the kind of retribution that some of his voters, not all, but

這就是他的一些選民，不是全部，但

And I think that is, for better or for worse, some of the context, what we're seeing this morning.

我認為這就是，不管好壞，這就是我們今天早上看到的一些背景。

You know, the First Amendment is meant to protect both a reporter's right to report, but

美國憲法第一修正案，是為了保障記者報導的權利，

同時也保障教友們崇拜的權利。

So legal experts might say this is some somewhat complicated.

所以法律專家可能會說，這有點複雜。

Although Lemon said all along he was there as a reporter, not as an activist.

儘管 Lemon 一直說他是以記者身份在那裡，而不是以行動者身份。

And he did a really important job showing people, all of us now who can watch the video, what happened inside that church.

他做了一件非常重要的事，讓大家，現在我們都可以看到影片，知道教堂裡面發生了什麼。

I want to back up to that Sunday morning.

That intrusion into city's church was sincerely shocking to many, many millions of Americans, myself included.

這種侵入城市教堂的行為，確實讓許多、許許多多的美國人感到震驚，包括我自己。

And they were uncomfortable by what happened inside that church.

The idea that we worship service was disrupted by protesters.

認為他們的禮拜儀式被抗議者打斷了。

And now there's a very interesting debate about whether the protesters were right or they were wrong to go into the church.

現在大家在熱烈討論，抗議者進入教堂是對還是錯。

But that is a political debate, and that's a debate about what forms of protest are effective.

但這是一個政治辯論，也是關於哪種抗議方式有效的辯論。

The Trump administration is moving that political debate into the legal arena and wanting to take it into court and have a court fight.

川普政府正將這場政治辯論帶入法律領域，並希望進入法庭進行訴訟。

And we know there have been these attempts to arrest some of the other protesters last week who were there.

我們知道上週曾試圖逮捕一些當時在場的抗議者。

And now we have these arrests of these reporters who documented the scene.

現在我們看到這些記錄現場的記者被逮捕了。

I'm reminded of what one of Lemon's friends, Jennifer Welch, said to her on a podcast.

我想起了 Lemon 的一位朋友 Jennifer Welch 在播客上對她說的話。

Lemon was talking to Welch, and Welch said to Lemon, quote, you are a prize for them.

Lemon 和 Welch 哈拉時，Welch 對 Lemon 說，引述，你對他們來說是個獎賞。