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Duration: 5 min 11 s

Pressure is growing on Republican President Donald Trump from an unusual direction.

保守黨總統 Donald Trump 正面臨來自一個不尋常方向的壓力。

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The National Rifle association is traditionally a close ally of the Republican Party, but

美國國家步槍協會傳統上是保守黨的親密盟友，但

it has come out at odds with the Trump administration over its response to the fatal shooting of Alex Pretty by ICE agents during a protest in Minneapolis.

在川普政府處理 ICE 探員在明尼阿波利斯抗議活動中擊斃 Alex Pretty 的事件上，該協會卻與之意見相左。

In a statement, the group said, the NRA unequivocally believes that all law abiding citizens have a right to keep and bear arms anywhere where they have a legal right to be.

該組織發表聲明表示，美國國家步槍協會堅信，所有守法公民在任何合法可達之處，都有權持有槍械。

Now, senior government officials had publicly tried to justify the shooting of Pretty because he was carrying a gun at a protest, a right guaranteed to him by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.

現在，政府高層官員公開試圖為擊斃 Pretty 的行為辯護，理由是他當時在抗議活動中攜帶槍械，這項權利受美國憲法第二修正案保障。

Let's talk about this with David Dunn, professor for International politics at the University of Birmingham in the UK and an expert on US Domestic policy.

讓我們來聽聽英國伯明罕大學國際政治學教授、同時也是美國國內政策專家的 David Dunn 的看法。

So, as we've been reporting, the Trump administration using the facts that Pretty was in possession of a firearm, using that as a justification for his killing.

我們之前有報導過，川普政府以 Pretty 擁有槍械的事實，作為擊斃他的理由。

Now, that right now is not going down well with gun groups and with many Republicans, is it?

這點現在讓槍支團體和許多保守派人士都感到不滿，對吧？

Well, as I said, the US Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms as a way of protecting citizens against an illegitimate government.

嗯，就像我說的，美國憲法保障持有槍械的權利，這是保護公民對抗非法政府的一種方式。

這可以追溯到1776年的獨立戰爭。

And that right is really enshrined in the beliefs of many conservatives, many of whom have been a core voting block for Donald Trump and for him and other members of his administration.

這項權利確實深植於許多保守派人士的信念中，他們很多人一直是 Donald Trump 以及他政府成員的核心選民。

To say that it's illegitimate and provocative for people to carry a weapon at a protest is to fly in the face of that.

說在抗議活動中攜帶武器是不合法的、挑釁的，這完全違背了這個原則。

So what he's managed to do by making these comments is to unite liberals who've always been opponents of Trump, with actually a core section of the conservative base that he relies upon, who are now literally up in arms, pardon the expression, at the way in which they have sought to actually play down or justify the illegal killing of a peaceful protester just because he happened to be legally carrying a firearm.

所以，他發表這些言論所造成的結果是，團結了向來反對 Trump 的自由派，以及他所依賴的核心保守派群眾，他們現在真的「群情激憤」（請原諒這個說法），因為有人試圖淡化或合理化一個和平抗議者被非法擊斃的事件，僅僅因為他當時合法持有槍械。

There's no suggestion that he actually either brandished the weapon or even went for the weapon.

沒有任何跡象顯示他實際揮舞了武器，甚至去拿武器。

But what they're saying is the very fact that he turned up at a protest with a concealed weapon, that that's in some ways justified his killing, and

但他們說的是，他帶著一把隱藏的武器出現在抗議活動中，這在某種程度上就合理化了他的被擊斃，而且

that has outraged huge sections of American society.

這激怒了美國社會的廣大群眾。

So are we actually seeing cracks in Trump's MAGA base over this gun issue, or do you that Trump sort of core followers will end up siding with him, you know, even if this does go against Second Amendment principles?

所以，我們是不是真的看到 Trump 的 MAGA 基本盤在這個槍支議題上出現裂痕，還是你認為 Trump 的核心支持者最終會站在他這邊，即使這與第二修正案的原則背道而馳？

Well, what we see is that there are a section of his population, no matter what he does, in contradiction to what he said previously they stick by him.

嗯，我們看到的是，有一部分的民眾，不管他做什麼，即使與他先前說的話相悖，他們還是會支持他。

That's true on his muscular foreign policy, as your last report talked about.

這在他強硬的外交政策上是真的，就像你上次的報導說的。

It's true on the Epstein files, and it's true on this.

在 Epstein 的檔案上是真的，在這件事上也是真的。

But there's also a large section of conservative opinion who were supporters of Trump who actually are horrified at what's happening there.

但也有很大一部分的保守派意見，他們是 Trump 的支持者，但對於那裡發生的事感到非常震驚。

So I think what we're seeing is a fracturing of that coalition, and

所以我認為我們看到的是這個聯盟出現了裂痕，而且

that's reflected in record low opinion polls on a whole variety of issues.

這也反映在各種議題上創紀錄的低民調數字。

And in particular, overall, in terms of actually the way in which his unpopularity is unprecedented and unparalleled.

特別是整體來說，在他不受歡迎的程度方面，是前所未見、無與倫比的。

Democrats in Congress are now calling for Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem to step down or face impeachment.

國會的民主黨人現在要求國土安全部長 Kristi Noem 下臺，否則將面臨彈劾。

How big is the political fallout of all of these events?

這些事件的政治後果有多嚴重？

I think this fallout is huge because these members of the administration are clearly out of step with public opinion, whereby the whole country is horrified at what is an obviously unjust killing of this peaceful protester.

我認為這個後果非常嚴重，因為這些政府官員顯然跟民意脫節，全國上下都對這個明顯不公的和平抗議者被擊斃感到震驚。

And to have members of the administration trying to grasp justifications for something that is clearly unjustifiable shows them to be out of step with public opinion.

而政府官員卻試圖為明顯站不住腳的事情找藉口，這顯示他們跟民意脫節。

And of course, it's much easier to get support in Congress for the impeachment of an official than it is for the president.

而且，在國會尋求彈劾官員，當然比彈劾總統容易得多。

And therefore there will be attempts to actually impeach Kirsten, um, and

是以，將會有彈劾 Kirsten 的嘗試，嗯，

indeed thereafter, if the House changes hands in November at the midterm elections, this will run and run these issues and the demands for prosecution of the people who killed both the peaceful protesters in Minnesota will continue.

而且之後，如果眾議院在十一月期中選舉中換手，這些問題將會持續發酵，對於在明尼阿波利斯擊斃和平抗議者的人的起訴要求也會持續。

This isn't an issue that's going to go away, and

this is an issue that's litten up the interview Internet and lit up and united American public opinion against the horrors of what's happening on American streets by ICE and other federal agencies.

這個問題已經在網路上引起熱議，並團結了美國民眾的意見，反對 ICE 和其他聯邦機構在美國街頭發生的恐怖事件。

David Dunn, professor for International Politics at the University of Birmingham.

David Dunn，伯明罕大學國際政治學教授。

We've run out of time, but thank you so much for your time.

時間差不多了，非常感謝您的寶貴時間。