Name: 英格蘭教會首位女性領袖發聲！誓言駁斥厭女文化 | BBC News (I will speak out on misogyny, says first woman to lead Church of England | BBC News)
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Let's take you straight to the steps of St. Paul's Cathedral here in London.

帶大家直接來到倫敦的St. Paul's Cathedral。

And here is Dame Sarah Mulally, who has now been confirmed as the 106th Archbishop of Canterbury.

這位是Dame Sarah Mulally，她剛剛被確認成為第106任坎特伯雷大主教。

So she is standing there having her photo taken after a ceremony that we have seen over the last hour or so, the confirmation of election service, a part of the church's history for many, many hundreds of years, part Christmas Christian liturgy, part legal process.

所以她現在正在那裡拍照，是在剛剛過去一小時左右的儀式之後，這個confirmation of election service，是教會歷史上非常非常悠久的一部分，結合了聖誕節的基督教儀式和法律程序。

This was a ceremony we've been watching, that served as a way for the ecclesiastical court, that's the church's court, to confirm that last year's election, which chose her to replace Justin Welby, was legal.

這場儀式我們剛才都在看，它讓宗教法庭，也就是教會的法庭，來確認去年選擇她接替Justin Welby的選舉是合法的。

But what is remarkable about this moment is she becomes the first woman to take the Church of England's top ministry role.

但這個時刻最特別的是，她成為了第一位擔任英格蘭教會最高牧職角色的女性。

And she says she hopes to lead with calmness, consistency and compassion, watching events unfold for us.

她說她希望以平靜、一致和同情心來領導，為我們關注著事態的發展。

And standing there looking at the photo call is our religion editor, Alim Maqbool Elim.

站在那裡看著photo call的是我們宗教編輯Alim Maqbool Elim。

This is quite a moment for the church, a huge moment, as you say.

這對教會來說是個非常重要的時刻，正如你所說，是個巨大的時刻。

Ancient rites in that ceremony, if you can hear me over the bells peeling very loudly at St.

儀式中有古老的儀式，如果你能聽到我說話，因為St. 的bells peeling聲非常響亮。

But yes, ancient rites in that ceremony that have been performed over centuries, but

但沒錯，儀式中有古老的儀式，這些儀式已經傳承了幾個世紀，

但這是第一次由一位女性來執行。

The public facing part of what she does will start in earnest, really, after an installation ceremony at the end of March at Canterbury Cathedral.

她公開露面的部分，真的要等到三月底在坎特伯雷大主教座堂的就職儀式後才會正式開始。

But she did give an interview today when she said she recognized the weight, the gravity of the moment.

但她今天確實接受了採訪，她說她意識到這個時刻的重量和莊嚴。

She recognized that she now had to be someone who listens not just to those here that she, she serves in the Church of England, but

她意識到她現在必須成為一個傾聽者，不僅傾聽她在英格蘭教會服務的對象，

還有更廣泛的全球聖公會社群。

But she also said crucially that she would not be complacent when it comes to safeguarding.

但她也關鍵地表示，在兒童保護方面，她不會自滿。

Of course, remembering why her predecessor stepped down because of safeguarding failures.

當然，她也記得她的前任因為兒童保護疏失而辭職的原因。

There was a hecla that at one point interrupted the service talking about safeguarding failures.

曾有一次 hecla 在儀式中途打斷，談論兒童保護疏失。

But for today, as you can see, the Church of England wants to focus on celebration and really a moment of history, as we've been describing, a moment of history.

但今天，正如大家所見，英格蘭教會希望聚焦於慶祝，以及一個歷史性的時刻，正如我們一直以來所描述的。

Alim and I know you have been speaking to the new archbishop.

Alim 和我知道你已經採訪了新任坎特伯雷大主教。

Let's have a listen to what she told you.

讓我們來聽聽她跟你說了些什麼。

I suppose I feel called to the role of the Archbishop of Canterbury, in a sense, with who I am.

我想我感覺自己被呼召擔任坎特伯雷大主教這個職位，在某種意義上，這就是我。

And I have to work that role out within integrity.

我必須在誠信中履行這個角色。

And my role has always been to, first of all, listen to God, but

而我的角色一直以來都是，首先，傾聽上帝的聲音，然後

You'll, of course, be aware of some of the response in some churches around the world to your election that have been negative.

你當然知道，你當選後，一些世界各地的教會出現了一些負面的回應。

I've received a lot of support across the Anglican Communion, but

我收到了整個聖公會社群的大力支持，但是

I recognise there are those that find my appointment difficult and the sense for me that I have always understood that people may find my appointment as a woman difficult in the Church.

我知道有些人覺得我的任命很困難，而我的感覺是，我一直明白人們可能會覺得我身為女性擔任此職位，在教會裡是很困難的。

And what I hope to do is to be able to provide a space where I can offer hospitality to people, where I can listen to what their concerns are and in a sense, find some way in which we can at least have partnership together in that way.

我希望做的是提供一個空間，我可以對人們展現熱情好客，傾聽他們的擔憂，並在某種程度上，找到一種方式，至少我們可以這樣一起合作。

You were a senior member of the Church in recent years, which haven't been good years in terms of dealing with safeguarding, necessarily.

你近年來在教會擔任資深職位，而這些年來在處理兒童保護方面，並不是一段順遂的時期。

I said on the day of my announcement that all of us should be open to having the light shone on what we do.

我在宣佈當天就說過，我們都應該對我們所做的事被攤在陽光下保持開放的態度。

And coming in as the Archbishop of Canterbury, I recognise, rightly so, that there is greater scrutiny on me and the actions that I have undertaken.

擔任坎特伯雷大主教，我明白，而且理所當然地，對我以及我所採取的行動會有更嚴格的審視。

And I will reiterate my commitment to safeguarding, particularly to listening to the victims and survivors of abuse.

我會重申我對兒童保護的承諾，特別是傾聽受虐者和倖存者的聲音。

London is evidence of this, of increasing resources into safeguarding, ensuring that our procedures are better and also pastoral to people.

倫敦就是證據，我們投入了更多資源於兒童保護，確保我們的程序更好，同時也對人們提供牧養關懷。

Others have talked in the past about some levels of misogyny in the Church, that it can be a bit of a boys club, that they can be microaggressions.

有些人過去曾談到教會裡某些程度的厭女現象，說那裡有點像個男性俱樂部，會有微歧視。

It is fair to say that I have, both, in my secular role as well as in the Church, experienced a misogyny at times.

公平地說，我在世俗的角色和在教會裡，都曾經歷過厭女的情況。

And I think that I've learnt it's the first thing you have to talk about it so that you bring it out into the open.

我認為我學到的是，你必須先談論它，才能將它攤在陽光下。

And I'm conscious that being in this role, it's important for me to speak of it, because there are some that don't necessarily have the status of the power of this role and feel more hesitant to do it.

我意識到，擔任這個職位，對我來說，談論這件事很重要，因為有些人沒有這個職位的權力和地位，會更猶豫去做。

But certainly as a Church of England, we have seen many changes over the years and I commit myself to making an environment where all people can flourish and which is safer for all.

但肯定的是，作為英格蘭教會，我們這些年來看到了許多改變，我承諾要創造一個讓所有人都能蓬勃發展、並且對所有人來說都更安全的工作環境。

New Archbishop of Canterbury, Dame Sarah Mulally speaking to Alim there.

新任坎特伯雷大主教 Dame Sarah Mulally 正在和 Alim 對話。

And Alim is still watching the photo call on the steps of St. Paul's Cathedral.

Alim 仍在觀看 St. Paul's Cathedral 臺階上的 photo call。

And she talked to you there, Alim, about how her appointment is is quite difficult for some people to grasp and accept, but

她在那裡跟你談到，她的任命對某些人來說相當難以理解和接受，但是

I wonder what is the first thing that she really has to tackle?

我很好奇，她首先必須處理的，究竟是什麼？

Yeah, it's extraordinary to hear her talk that way so matter of factly about the fact that people don't think that she can do the job simply because of the fact that she's a woman and that's something she accepts.

沒錯，聽到她如此坦然地談論，人們因為她是女性就認為她勝任不了這份工作，而她也接受了這一點，這真的很不尋常。

She's now, as you can hopefully see behind me, descended the steps herself and is now waving and greeting people outside.

希望你們能看到我身後，她本人已經走下臺階，正在外面向大家揮手致意。

As I say though, the public facing part of her job really starts after the end of March.

不過正如我所說，她工作的公眾面向部分將在三月底才真正開始。

But before that she will, for example, meet the Prime Minister.

但在那之前，她會去拜訪首相。

She will also preside over the meeting of the Church's National Assembly General Synod where there are very difficult issues to be discussed, including the issue of blessings for same sex couples, which is something that the Church voted for a couple of years ago.

她還將主持教會全國大會（General Synod）的會議，會中有許多棘手的議題需要討論，包括同性伴侶的祝福議題，這是教會幾年前投票通過的。

We now hear that the process to make that happen has collapsed and it's now not going to happen.

我們現在聽到，讓這件事發生的過程已經崩潰，將不會實現了。

Now, people would be looking today, Sarah Mulally for her leadership on issues like that.

現在，人們今天會期待莎拉·穆拉利在這些議題上展現她的領導力。

But immediately as well, people at that meeting will be looking at what is going to happen on the crucial issue of safeguarding.

不過，在那之前，會議中的人們也會關注兒童保護這個關鍵議題的後續發展。

There have been many reviews, many reports, many inquiries and lots of promises made by the Church of England about how they will rectify the problems that they clearly are.

英格蘭教會針對如何糾正明顯存在的問題，已經進行了許多審查、報告、調查，也做出了許多承諾。

There have been those from outside who say the pace of change is too slow in the church.

也有外部人士表示，教會的變革步伐太慢了。

She's talked ahead of this moment about the fact that she wouldn't be complacent, that she would help things to move forward.

在此之前，她曾談到自己不會自滿，會幫助事情向前推進。

And now people will be starting to look for action on these points.

現在，人們將開始期待在這些方面採取行動。

Good to have you with us as we see the new Archbishop of Canterbury greeting the crowds there outside St.

很高興您和我們一起關注坎特伯雷大主教在聖保羅大教堂外向人群致意。

Paul's Cathedral after the confirmation of her election to remind you of how remarkable this moment, she is the first woman to hold the Office in its 1,400 year history.

在她的當選確認儀式之後，提醒大家這個時刻有多麼非凡，她是這1400年歷史中首位擔任此職位的女性。