Name: 裘迪·福斯特曾認為演戲是「笨蛋的工作」！直到與勞勃·狄尼洛合作 | 柯南·歐布萊恩需要朋友 (Jodie Foster Thought Acting Was A "Dumb Job" Til Working With De Niro | Conan O'Brien Needs A Friend)
Uploaded: 2026-01-21T16:59:31.000Z
Duration: 9 min 11 s

過去進行式

I have a very clear memory of the first time I met you, which is I was skiing.

我對第一次見到你的記憶很深刻，那時候我正在 skiing。

And there's this friend of mine who I ran into.

過去簡單式

And he said, I'm skiing with my friend Jody.

他說，我正和我的朋友 Jody 一起 ski。

So I'm skiing, and we're zipping along, and we get down to where.

於是我在 skiing，我們滑呀滑，滑到一個地方。

And I noticed that he said, oh, my friend Jody's down here by the lift.

我注意到他說，喔，我的朋友 Jody 在這裡的 lift 旁邊。

And I went, all right, let's go, you know, check in on Jody, whoever that is.

我就說，好啊，走吧，去看看 Jody 是誰。

I remember you, like, took off your goggles and said, oh, hi, Jodie.

我記得你那時候，就像，把你的護目鏡拿下來，然後說，喔，嗨，Jodie。

And I was like, oh, oh, that's my happy place.

我就說，喔，喔，這就是我的快樂天堂。

You like it because of the anonymity and also.

你喜歡它，是因為那種不被認出來的感覺，還有。

No, I like the idea of a sport where if you stop being in the present moment, you might die, you might hit a tree or something.

不，我喜歡這種運動，如果你沒有活在當下，你可能會死掉，可能會撞到樹什麼的。

And there's something really relaxing about that.

You can't think about taxes or you can't think.

你不能去想稅務，不然你會腦袋打結。

That's why I play Russian Roulette every night.

這就是我每晚玩俄羅斯輪盤的原因。

有時候我還會放三顆子彈進去。

You know, it's so funny because I've since gotten to know you much better.

說真的，很有趣，因為後來我對你更瞭解了。

And even though there's a lot of ambivalence on your end, it's interesting to me because I don't think this is discussed as much with you because you've had such an iconic career in film and it's had so many different levels.

雖然你那邊有很多矛盾，但對我來說很有趣，因為我不認為你這方面有被討論太多，因為你在電影界有如此傳奇的職業生涯，而且有這麼多不同的層次。

But I was a TV kid growing up in the 70s, and

但我是在 70 年代看電視長大的，

my brother Neil made sure that we watched all the westerns, you know, Bonanzas and all in the, you know, what's it, House on the Prairie, you know, Gunsmoke, Daniel Boone.

我哥哥 Neil 確保我們看了所有的西部片，你知道的，像是《Bonanza》和《House on the Prairie》，你知道的，《Gunsmoke》、《Daniel Boone》。

And, you know, we also watched Courtship of Eddie's Father.

而且，你知道的，我們也看了《Courtship of Eddie's Father》。

Cause we haven't really ever had a chance to talk about it.

因為我們其實沒有真正有機會聊到這部分。

A world where you're on the set of Bonanza.

一個你身處《Bonanza》片場的時代。

And these are iconic shows from, as you know, Matt, like from the 50s and 60s and 70s.

而且這些節目，就像你說的，Matt，是從 50、60、70 年代來的經典節目。

Yeah, I was on every, you know, every kind of bad television show in the 70s.

對啊，我參加過 70 年代各種，你知道的，各種爛電視節目。

I have a brother, Neil, who watches all these shows.

我有個兄弟叫 Neil，他會看所有這些節目。

He's got an encyclopedic knowledge of them.

And if I randomly called him and said, oh, I saw Jodie Foster today, he'd say she was excellent in season 13 of Bonanza.

如果我隨便打電話給他，說，哦，我今天看到 Jodie Foster 了，他會說她在《Bonanza》第 13 季裡表現非常出色。

And then he had Bernie Copel as the scientist.

然後他找來 Bernie Copel 飾演科學家。

And he'll often say to me, like, did you mention to Jody?

然後他常會跟我說，像是，你有跟 Jody 說嗎？

我會說，沒有，但你就在這裡了。

I mean, I thought I'd talk about some of her Oscar winning roles and stuff.

我意思是，我以為我會聊聊她一些得奧斯卡獎的作品什麼的。

Yeah, there's something, you know, really.

There was something really comforting about that.

那真的有種讓人很安心的感覺。

It doesn't feel the same way anymore when you lie in your bed with your covers on, watching TV the way it did in the old days when you laid in your bed and then you had the black and white TV and you had to go up to the knob and change the station every time you were dissatisfied.

現在躺在床上蓋著棉被看電視，不像以前那樣，以前你躺在床上，然後有黑白電視，每次不滿意都要起身轉那個旋鈕換臺，感覺已經不一樣了。

So, you know, Nanny and the professor and Adam 12 and, you know, the Perry Mason and the Rockford Files or, you know, have you ever spent any time looking back on those just to see because they're almost like home movies for you.

所以，你知道，像《保姆與教授》、《Adam 12》、《裴裡·梅森》還有《洛克福檔案》，或是，你知道，你有沒有花時間回頭看看那些，因為它們對你來說幾乎就像家庭錄影帶一樣。

There's a couple that are on Instagram that occasionally my friends will say, like, hey, look at this.

有幾個在 Instagram 上，我朋友偶爾會說，嘿，你看這個。

因為我沒有用社群媒體，但是。

It's kind of cute because my mom didn't take pictures of me.

這有點可愛，因為我媽沒有幫我拍過照片。

I think taking pictures of your kids got expensive at that era.

我想在那個年代，幫小孩拍照應該很貴。

So she took pictures of my brothers and sisters, but not of me.

所以她有幫我哥哥姊姊拍照，但沒有幫我拍。

So the only pictures that I have really are these video clips and clips from television shows.

所以，我真正擁有的照片，就只有這些影片片段，還有電視節目的片段。

So you're always wearing a 19th century bonnet.

所以你總是戴著一頂 19 世紀的帽子。

And I have lots of weird memories that are associated with that.

而且我有很多奇怪的回憶都跟那有關。

Like, I had to play, like this kind of wild child who was all dirty.

像是，我必須扮演一個，像這種全身髒兮兮的野孩子。

And I was living on my own and surviving in the forest, and

而且我獨自生活，在森林裡求生，然後

the prop men had planted different edible things that, you know, you could pull out the.

道具組種了各種可食用的東西，你知道，你可以把它拔出來。

And you could just eat them, and they would look like you were this savage person.

你就可以直接吃，看起來就像你是一個野蠻人。

And I remember, you know, going through the weeds in a scene, and

我記得，你知道，在一個場景裡穿過雜草，然後

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