Name: 川普喊話伊朗人「繼續抗議」！「援助正在路上」｜BBC News ('Help is on the way,' Donald Trump says as he urges Iranians to 'keep protesting' | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2026-01-13T17:24:47.000Z
Duration: 13 min 56 s

Donald Trump has urged protesters to keep taking to the streets and that his help is on its way.

Donald Trump 呼籲抗議者繼續走上街頭，並表示他的幫助正在路上。

He said he has cancelled all meetings with Iranian officials.

他說他已經取消了與伊朗官員的所有會面。

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Let me put you put the post from Truth Social onto the screen because he has written, iranian patriots, keep protesting.

讓我把 Truth Social 上的貼文放上螢幕，因為他寫道，伊朗愛國者們，繼續抗議。

Save the names of the killers and abusers.

And then he says he's canceled all those meetings with Iranian officials that had been planned until, as he puts it, the senseless killing of protesters stops.

然後他說，他已經取消了所有原定與伊朗官員的會面，直到他所說的，無意義的殺害抗議者行為停止。

Let's go straight to Washington, straight to our correspondent, Paul Adams.

我們直接連線到華盛頓，直接連線到我們的記者 Paul Adams。

And Paul, we saw the president get on to Air Force One, add very little to that statement, but

Paul，我們看到總統登上 Air Force One，對那份聲明沒有多說什麼，但是

it is significant in terms of what he's outlined there.

這在他概述的內容方面意義重大。

Yeah, he obviously indicated that the statement, the Truth Social statement, speaks for itself, and

是的，他很明顯地表示，那份聲明，Truth Social 的聲明，不言而喻，

I think we're right to highlight it and much of the language in it, because it does sound like a president who has decided on a course of action and also has decided that the Iranian regime may be on its last legs and that hence the kind of urging of the protesters to take over institutions, to log the names of people who are oppressing them.

我認為我們應該強調它以及聲明中的許多措辭，因為這聽起來確實像一位已經決定了行動方針的總統，並且也認為伊朗政權可能已時日無多，是以才敦促抗議者接管機構，記錄下壓迫他們的人的名字。

It really does sound as though Donald Trump believes that this is the moment to bring down or to hasten the end of the Islamic regime in Iran.

這聽起來確實像是 Donald Trump 認為現在是時候推翻或加速伊朗伊斯蘭政權的終結了。

Now, he talked about canceling meetings with Iranian officials.

現在，他談到了取消與伊朗官員的會面。

We don't know, frankly, that any meetings were actually scheduled.

坦白說，我們不知道實際上是否有任何會面被安排。

We'd heard him over the weekend saying that there had been some kind of outreach from the Iranians wanting to have a diplomatic dialogue, presumably about Iran's nuclear program, the subject of ongoing conversations with the Americans.

我們在週末聽到他說，伊朗方面曾有某種接觸，希望進行外交對話，大概是關於伊朗的核計畫，這是與美國持續進行的對話主題。

And he indicated that he was willing to have that, but that action might have to come first.

他表示他願意進行對話，但行動可能必須先發生。

He seems now to be suggesting that he's not interested in having any of those conversations and that action may be imminent and may even be on its way.

他現在似乎暗示他對進行任何這些對話都不感興趣，而且行動可能迫在眉睫，甚至可能已經在路上了。

最後那句話，「援助正在路上」。

of course, it is worth underlining all the caveats, we don't know what that is.

當然，值得強調的是所有注意事項，我們不知道那是什麼。

But say if it was a military strike, in part, it all carries significant risk as well, doesn't it?

但假設那是一次軍事打擊，部分來說，這也都有重大的風險，不是嗎？

I mean, he has a huge range of options from, you know, a repeat of what we saw last summer with B2 bombers flying all the way from Missouri to deliver that their bombs onto parts of Iran's nuclear program to Tomahawk missile strikes launched from submarines much closer to Iran that could take out specific facilities.

我的意思是，他有很多選項，從我們去年夏天看到的，B2 bombers 從密蘇裡州飛來，對伊朗的核計畫的某些地方投下炸彈，到從更靠近伊朗的潛艦發射 Tomahawk missile 打擊，可以摧毀特定設施。

You know, let's say, for example, the headquarters or a barracks of the kinds of besieged militiamen who are involved in repressing protests on the streets.

你知道，假設，例如，總部或圍困民兵的營房，那些參與鎮壓街頭抗議的人。

There's been talk in the media here of cyber attacks, of disinformation campaigns designed to confuse and demoralize the Iranian regime.

這裡媒體有談論網路攻擊，以及旨在混淆和打擊伊朗政權士氣的虛假資訊活動。

I mean, he has an enormous range of options.

I think the one thing you can be pretty sure of is that this is not a president thinking about putting US Boots on the ground or even conducting an operation like what we saw with Venezuela just, you know, a little over a week ago, with helicopters flying in and capturing the leader of that country.

我想可以確定的一件事是，這位總統不會考慮派美軍地面部隊，甚至不會像我們一個多星期前在委內瑞拉看到的，直升機飛進去逮捕那個國家的領導人那樣進行行動。

We're not going to be seeing that kind of thing.

There's the specter of Jimmy Carter's efforts to rescue American hostages held in Tehran after the Iranian Revolution in 1979 that ended in disaster and had terrible political consequences for Jimmy Carter, something that Donald Trump alluded to only the other day.

讓人聯想到吉米·卡特在1979年伊朗革命後，試圖營救被挾持的美國人質，結果卻以災難收場，對吉米·卡特造成了可怕的政治後果，Donald Trump 前幾天才提到這件事。

But he does have a range of options and it may not be long before we find out which one he's chosen.

但他確實有一系列選項，可能很快就會知道他選擇了哪一個。

Paul，希望你能繼續跟我一起，但是

I want to bring in Jihad Goal from BBC Persian, who's here in the studio and Jiha, check.

我想請BBC波斯語的Jihad Goal加入，他就在攝影棚裡，Jihad，請說。

Just summarize for people watching and listening the scale of the protests we've seen and the most recent reports about numbers of deaths and those detained in the past few days.

請為收看和收聽的觀眾總結一下，我們看到的抗議規模，以及過去幾天關於死亡人數和被拘留者的最新報導。

Human rights organization they said around 650 people have been killed.

人權組織表示，約有650人被殺害。

That was the number before the complete shutdown of Internet.

這是網路完全關閉之前的數字。

But we know in the past six days during the shutdown of Internet and completely cut off communication with outside world, there was the heavy crackdown on protesters.

不過我們知道，在過去六天網路關閉、完全切斷與外界聯繫的期間，鎮壓抗議者的行動非常激烈。

Matthew, in the past few days some people went to the border with Iran, had a SIM card from neighboring country, get a signal, send out a message.

Matthew，這幾天有些人去了伊朗邊境，用鄰國的SIM卡，取得訊號，發送了訊息。

A very small group of people had Starlink satellite connections.

有一小群人有Starlink衛星連線。

They get in touch with us, send messages.

The message we are getting is very common from from every corner of the country from small and large hospitals from Tehran to a small town, Abdanan in west of Iran.

我們收到的訊息，來自全國各地，從德黑蘭到伊朗西部的小鎮Abdanan，大小醫院，都傳來了非常普遍的訊息。

They said our hospitals are overwhelmed with injured young men and women.

他們說，我們的醫院擠滿了受傷的年輕男女。

Our morgue is piled up with the bodies of young men and women.

我們的停屍間堆滿了年輕男女的屍體。

We just saw a picture from parents, from mother, father lining up in front of the morgue and forensic in Tehran to identify their loved one to collect the the bodies of those people who have been killed.

我們剛看到一張照片，是德黑蘭的父母，媽媽、爸爸們排隊在停屍間和法醫室前，辨認他們摯愛的親人，領取那些被殺害者的遺體。

I think, Matthew, the numbers we are hearing from so many people, there is a fear the numbers of those people who have been killed and injured must be in many thousands Jihad, stay with me because let us try to get more on exactly where you ended up.

Matthew，我認為，我們從這麼多人那裡聽到的數字，大家都很擔心，被殺害和受傷的人數一定有好幾千。Jihad，請留下來，我們試著更深入瞭解你到底去了哪裡。

Camelia Anthropi Faad is the editor in chief of the Independent Persian.

Camelia Anthropi Faad是Independent Persian的主編。

她現在透過連線加入我們的節目。

And thank you so much for being here with us.

非常感謝你今天來和我們一起。

I'm told that you are have tried to make contact.

Yes, I have relatives, immediate relatives, mother, brother, sister, cousins, everyone in Iran.

是的，我在伊朗有親戚，有直系的親屬，媽媽、兄弟、姊妹、表兄弟姊妹，所有人都在伊朗。

Finally after days of dark out and this Internet and phone services has been shutting down, my mother managed to call me like an hour ago.

終於，在斷網了好幾天，網路和電話服務一直被關閉之後，我媽媽大概在一小時前成功打電話給我了。

Of course all of us were worried about all Iranians inside Iran.

當然我們都很擔心所有在伊朗的伊朗人。

Since Thursday I haven't had any words from any one of my relatives inside Iran.

從星期四開始，我就沒有收到任何一個在伊朗的親戚的消息。

And as I said again, I feel so much sympathy with all that Iranians inside Iran facing this brutal regime and lost lots of the loved one.

正如我再次說過的，我對所有在伊朗、面對這個殘酷政權並失去許多摯愛的伊朗人感到非常同情。

是的，我成功跟我媽媽講話了。

Well, that is a considerable relief because all around the world there are so many people in your position who haven't been able to talk to their loved ones to find out if they're all right.

嗯，這確實是很大的安慰，因為全世界有這麼多人跟你一樣，無法和他們的親人聯繫，也不知道他們是否安好。

Tell me more about where your mother is, what she's seen and the wider family.

跟我多說一點，妳媽媽在哪裡？她看到了什麼？還有其他家人呢？

Has anybody been caught up in these protests?

I heard from her most of the people she knows has been participating at these demonstrations and she was speaking on which it was the harshest day of the regime brutality confronting the protesters.

我聽她說，她認識的大部分人都參加了這些示威活動，她說那是政權殘酷對待抗議者的最嚴酷的一天。

She lives in northern Tehran and in particularly and they said the sounds of the automatic refile didn't stop until early morning.

她住在德黑蘭北部，特別是，他們說槍聲一直響到清晨。

On Thursday evening in Tehran's time the shops were closing down at 1:00pm I mean like the grocery stores and somehow people managed to communicate with each other to appear at the demonstrations.

德黑蘭時間週四晚上，商店下午一點就關門了，我是說像雜貨店，大家設法互相聯繫，出現在示威活動中。

I was six years old when revolution happened and she sees so much similarity of that days which the street was so chaotic and everyone were feeling the regime last days is so much near.

我六歲時革命就發生了，她覺得那時候的景象跟現在很像，街上很混亂，每個人都覺得政權的末日快到了。

She cannot participate at the demonstration.

She is with the walker and but observing and talking to the relatives and the neighbors and other people who were going in and out.

她和家人一起，但她觀察著，並與進進出出的親戚、鄰居和其他人交談。

They are bringing back messages and I heard unfortunately one of the cousin has been shot on his eyes and looks like unfortunately he lost his eyes and he's still in hospital.

他們帶回消息，我不幸聽到一位表親的眼睛中彈了，看起來他很不幸地失去了眼睛，他還在醫院。

And she hurt most of the families before receiving the body of the loved ones from the hospital.

在從醫院領回親人的遺體之前，她聽說了大多數家庭的遭遇。

This person haven't been part of the demonstrator and it was a passerby and shoot accidentally by these rivals at the street.

這個人不是示威者，他只是個路人，被街上的這些對手意外擊中了。

Otherwise it's very hard to release the bodies to the family members.

不然的話，家屬要領回遺體會非常困難。

And we've also been hearing at BBC Persian accounts where one person told our colleagues that they just keep killing, talking about the firing into crowds, live ammunition.

我們在 BBC 波斯語臺也聽到一些說法，有個人告訴我們的同事，他們就是不停地開槍，指的是朝人群開槍，使用實彈。

They talked about different areas around the country burning.

他們談到全國各地不同區域都在燃燒。

We've heard from Donald Trump, the US President in the last what hour, hour and a quarter urging protesters to keep taking to the streets.

我們在過去一小時、一小時又十五分鐘內聽到了 Donald Trump，也就是美國總統，他敦促抗議者繼續走上街頭。

Do you know if the protests are still continuing even as we are talking now?

在我們現在談話的同時，你知道抗議還在繼續嗎？

We have some people in touch with our publication, the Independent Person communicating with us through the Starlink satellite equipment.

我們有一些人透過 Starlink 衛星設備與我們的出版品《獨立人士》保持聯繫。

And we know that already in some of the cities like and it's in northern Iran, the demonstration start to forming.

我們知道，在伊朗北部的一些城市，像是，已經開始形成示威活動。

We haven't had news from Tehran, as everyone knows is impossible.

我們還沒有收到德黑蘭的消息，大家都知道這是做不到的。

People from Iran through the Internet sending footages and et cetera, unless they are connected with the satellite equipment.

伊朗人民透過網路傳送影像等等，除非他們有衛星設備連線。

When they were coming back from the protest, these people were sending us messages.

當這些人在抗議結束後回來時，他們傳送了訊息給我們。

They have planned again tonight have demonstration their communication through calling each other how to go to the demonstration.

他們今晚又計畫好了，透過互相聯繫來進行示威，討論如何去參加示威。

It's very secretive and it's passing messages through neighborhoods university students to each other and the communities form of asking each other to where and what time start the demonstrations.

這是非常隱密的，訊息在鄰裡、大學生之間傳遞，社區裡互相詢問要去哪裡、什麼時間開始示威。

President Trump messages has been heard because still Iranian can watch two or three Persian TV networking in Iran.

Donald Trump 的訊息被聽到了，因為伊朗人仍然可以在伊朗觀看兩三個波斯語電視頻道。

And we knew that and my family said that in some areas the regime goes to taking off these dishes from the rooftop of the people to even cutting off their ability watching live program from the Persian TV channels in Iran.

我們知道這件事，我的家人說，在某些地區，政權會去拆除人們屋頂上的衛星接收器，甚至切斷他們觀看伊朗波斯電視頻道直播節目的能力。

What President Trump messages is kind of promising.

Donald Trump 的訊息有點像是承諾。

He may want to do something in the favor of the protesters.

他可能想做些對抗議者有利的事。