Name: 把逝者存放在-196°C！超低溫保存真的可行嗎？ (Storing dead people at -196°C)
Uploaded: 2026-01-13T16:59:29.000Z
Duration: 5 min 36 s

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I'm not a philosopher, so I'm going to dodge the many complicated ethical questions about cryonics, about freezing someone's body after they die in the hope that future science will not just unfreeze them, but

我不是哲學家，所以關於低溫保存的許多複雜倫理問題，也就是在一個人死後將其身體冷凍，希望能讓未來的科學不僅能解凍他們，

also cure them of whatever ended their life.

還能治癒導致他們死亡的疾病，這些問題我先跳過不談。

The philosophical side of this is way outside what I'm qualified to talk about.

哲學層面的東西，遠遠超出我的專業範圍。

And honestly, my opinion would not be helpful.

說實話，我的意見也沒什麼幫助。

I will say that I think death is a bad thing and that humanity should be trying to defeat it the same way we've defeated smallpox.

我只能說，我認為死亡是件壞事，人類應該像戰勝天花一樣，努力戰勝它。

The questions I do have for the folks that run this actual cryonics facility are practical and legal as ever.

我真正想問那些經營這個實際低溫保存設施的人，是關於實際操作和法律層面的問題，一如既往。

這裡的團隊對內容沒有任何編輯權。

I just got invited to see a place where the dead are being stored in the hope of resurrection.

我只是受邀來參觀這個地方，看看死者是如何被保存，以期復甦。

Currently, there are still very few patients stored here.

目前這裡儲存的病患數量還非常少。

It's more than zero, but you can count it on a very few hands.

雖然不是零，但真的可以用一隻手數得出來。

The exact number we only release once we have a few more to not have any potential privacy problems.

確切的數字，我們要等到數量多一點，才不會有潛在的隱私問題，才會公佈。

但到目前為止，數量真的很少。

The company's official website describes the bodies in there as patients, but

公司官網把這裡面存放的遺體稱為病患，但

what's being stored are legally and medically corpses, not people.

實際上儲存的，是法律上和醫學上都已死亡的屍體，而不是人。

The people have been declared legally dead and their assets have passed to their descendants.

這些人已經被正式宣告死亡，他們的資產也已經移交給後代。

The cryo process cannot start until the person is declared dead, because otherwise it's murder.

低溫處理過程必須等到人被宣告死亡後才能開始，否則那就是謀殺了。

So if someone who signed up is close to death, the company will dispatch a very non standard ambulance.

所以，如果簽約的人臨終了，公司會派出一個很不尋常的救護車。

There needs to be the least possible delay between the heart stops and the cooldown procedure being started, and

從心臟停止到啟動冷卻程序，延遲的時間必須盡量縮到最短，

of course only if the patient has given informed consent before dying.

當然，前提是病患在過世前有簽署知情同意書。

And then we start practically three procedures at the same time.

然後我們會同時開始進行三項程序。

One is we start cooling down as quick as possible.

There's a saying in medicine that says you're only dead if you're warm and dead.

醫學上有句話說，身體溫暖且死亡，才算是真正的死亡。

The metabolic rate of the cell goes down and the cell dies slower.

細胞的代謝速率會下降，細胞死亡的速度也會變慢。

我們也會採取非常積極的措施。

What is similar to cpr, chest compressions, giving oxygen and so on to give some amount of metabolic support.

這有點像 CPR，像是胸腔按壓、給予氧氣等等，來提供一些代謝支持。

Then before you cross zero degrees Celsius, you want to replace all the blood and the rest of the water against a medical grade antifreeze.

然後在低於攝氏零度之前，我們會用醫療級的抗凍劑取代所有的血液和殘餘的水分。

It's very important to say we don't freeze anything, though of course the headline always says this organization is freezing people and so on.

很重要的一點是，我們並不是在「冷凍」任何人，雖然標題總是說這個機構在冷凍人等等。

In more technical terms, we vitrify them, which is like a glass like amorphous state, which allows tissue to be stored without any further damage in a state where potentially future technology might be able to, well, resuscitate the cryoprocess causes massive, probably unrecoverable damage to the body.

更專業的說法是，我們會讓他們「玻璃化」，也就是進入一種玻璃狀無定形狀態，這樣組織就能儲存而不會進一步損壞，並處於一種未來科技或許能夠，嗯，復甦的狀態，而低溫處理過程會對身體造成嚴重、可能無法恢復的損害。

There is no technology now or even vaguely on the horizon that could reverse that damage.

目前沒有任何技術，甚至連遠景都看不到，能夠逆轉那樣的損害。

But whatever is left patient corpse assembly of frozen stuff gets stacked up in stainless steel containers here, submerged in liquid nitrogen until, well, until it's possible to recover them, which could very well be never so obvious.

但無論剩下什麼，患者遺體會被組裝成冷凍的物品，堆放在這裡的不鏽鋼容器裡，浸泡在液態氮中，直到，嗯，直到有可能讓他們復甦為止，這很有可能永遠不會發生，這很明顯。

Question how does a dead person pay for a service that if all goes to plan, will continue indefinitely while someone is alive?

有人質疑，一個死人要如何支付這項服務的費用？如果一切順利，這項服務將在某人活著的時候無限期地持續下去。

There's a small membership fee with us and then at the time of death it's around €200,000.

我們的會員費很低，在死亡的時候大約是 20 萬歐元。

The largest part is given to a non profit organization.

其中最大一部分會給一個非營利組織。

They invest that money with around 1 to 2% above inflation in return expectation sufficient then to maintain cryopreservation.

他們會投資這筆錢，預期回報率比通貨膨脹率高出 1% 到 2%，足以維持低溫保存。

And you have that money that you put aside inflation adjusted in the future for, well, whatever medical procedure might be necessary to pay for reintegration, for retraining, you know, to get used to the future again.

這筆錢會隨著通貨膨脹調整，為未來預留，用於支付任何可能的醫療程序，例如重新整合、再培訓，你知道的，重新適應未來。

One of the goals of our organization is to over time not only make the cryopreservation procedures better, but

我們組織的目標之一是隨著時間的推移，不僅要讓低溫保存的程序更好，

also make it significantly more affordable.

Somewhere in the, you know, mid five figure range maybe should be possible over time.

大概在中五位數字的範圍內，隨著時間推移應該是可行的。

A reminder, that's the CEO of the company.

one of the reasons I was comfortable filming here is that he was very candid about the chances of this working.

我之所以很放心地在這裡拍攝，其中一個原因是，他對於這個方法成功的機率非常坦誠。

We would never state that there is any x percent that this works.

我們絕對不會說有任何百分比的機率表示這個方法會成功。

Cryopreservation is not a medical procedure, it's a research procedure.

低溫保存不是醫療程序，而是研究程序。

No one in the world can say if and when cryopreservation might work.

世界上沒有人能說低溫保存是否以及何時會成功。

Long term storage is always done with foundations.

長期儲存總是透過基金會來進行。

We have bylaws and statutes that make the foundation from day to day perspective very slow, very sluggish, and

我們的組織章程和規章讓基金會從日常運作的角度來看非常緩慢、非常遲鈍，而且

there's a lot of inertia to change stuff.

All of that is there to maximize for longevity.

I would like to live on as long as I can, as long as I want to.

我想活得越久越好，只要我願意。

I don't only want that for me, but I think that should be everybody's right.

我不僅希望自己能這樣，我也認為這應該是每個人的權利。

I would like to do whatever treatment there will be when I'm 95 and whatever medication I need to take when I'm 60 to then make that happen.

我希望在我95歲時能接受任何必要的治療，在我60歲時服用任何需要的藥物來達成這個目標。

Should I die at 60 of a heart attack or something like that, then I'd much rather be cryopreserved than I'm being cremated or buried.

如果我在60歲時因心臟病發作等原因過世，我寧願接受低溫保存，也不要被火化或埋葬。

But the alternative has as close to zero a chance as you can ever have.

但另一種選擇的機會趨近於零。

This right now is an option for a tiny minority of rich people, and it probably won't work.

這目前只是少數有錢人的選擇，而且很可能不會成功。

But I do think that humanity should be trying to defeat death.

但我認為人類應該努力戰勝死亡。

So I find it difficult to argue against someone who'd take this option when I know what the alternative is.

所以當我知道另一種選擇是什麼時，我真的很難反對那些會選擇這個方法的人。

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