Name: 停火協議進入第二階段！以色列與哈瑪斯之間的重大阻礙為何？| DW 新聞 (Many obstacles blocking phase two of the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas | DW News)
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The remains of the final hostage taken by Hamas on October 7 have been returned to Israel.

10月7日哈瑪斯最後一名人質的遺體已送回以色列。

The repatriation of all hostages, living or dead, was a key provision of the ceasefire between the two sides that took effect weeks ago.

所有活著或已故人質的遣返，是雙方數週前生效的停火協議中的一項重要條款。

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Shortly before Shabbat, the weekend, people gathered here in Tel Aviv to call for the return of Ran or Ranik Vili, the last remaining hostage in Gaza.

在安息日（週末）開始前不久，人們聚集在特拉維夫這裡，呼籲最後一名留在加薩的人質 Ran 或 Ranik Vili 回來。

Gvili, a member of an elite police unit, was killed by Hamas led militants in the 7 October 2023 terror attack and his body was taken back to Gaza more than two years later.

Gvili 是一名精英警隊成員，在2023年10月7日的恐怖攻擊中被哈瑪斯領導的武裝分子殺害，他的遺體在兩年多後被帶回加薩。

His parents say the wait for his return has become unbearable.

他的父母說，等待他回來已經變得難以忍受。

We know that someone have to be the last one and it's Rani.

我們知道總要有人是最後一個，那就是 Rani。

We must keep Rani all the time on the media, everywhere.

我們必須一直讓 Rani 佔據媒體版面，無處不在。

So this is why we come here and this why we must keep doing until Ranis come home.

這就是為什麼我們來到這裡，這也是為什麼我們必須持續這麼做，直到 Rani 回到家。

In Gaza, Ran Gvili is often described as a hero by Israelis.

在加薩，以色列人常形容 Rani Gvili 是個英雄。

On October 7, he was killed helping to fight Hamas militants at Kibbutz Alumim in southern Israel.

10月7日，他在南部阿盧明基布茲協助對抗哈瑪斯武裝分子時犧牲。

His family did not learn of his fate until three months later.

他的家人直到三個月後才得知他的遭遇。

So this gathering has now replaced the weekly protest that used to take over this square in central Tel Aviv.

是以，現在的集會取代了過去每週佔據特拉維夫市中心這個廣場的抗議活動。

It was renamed Hostages Square and had become a symbol of the struggle to secure the release of all 251 hostages taken by Hamas led militants from Gaza on October 7, 2023.

這個廣場被重新命名為人質廣場，並成為爭取哈瑪斯武裝分子於2023年10月7日從加薩擄走的251名人質獲釋的象徵。

If and when gaze remains are returned, it is expected that it will mark the beginning of the second phase of the agreed ceasefire plan conceived by the Trump administration, a plan that now has stalled.

如果人質遺體被遣返，預計這將標誌著川普政府構想的停火協議第二階段的開始，而該協議目前已停滯不前。

Finished the first part, as you know, phase one, we're almost there.

各位都知道，第一階段已經完成，我們差不多快好了。

We have one more hostage, deceased, Hani Kvili, a hero of Israel, to return here and then we very shortly expect to move into the second phase, which is more difficult.

我們還有另一位已故人質，以色列的英雄 Hani Kvili，要被送回來，接著我們很快就會進入更困難的第二階段。

Meanwhile, the focus in Israel is shifting.

同時，以色列的焦點正在轉移。

Calls for a national commission of inquiry on the October 7 attacks are growing louder to investigate the government's responsibilities.

要求成立一個針對10月7日攻擊事件的國家調查委員會的呼聲越來越大，以調查政府的責任。

And Saturday night protests are returning to anti government protests.

而週六晚上的抗議活動又回到了反政府示威。

I will never stop until things will get better, until things will change.

我絕不會停止，直到情況好轉，直到情況改變。

For me to see the government changing is like the main goal after the returning of the last hostage, Vrani.

對我來說，看到政府改變，就像是最後一個人質 Vrani 被送回來之後的主要目標。

I also think that everyone, also the people in the army and in the government should take responsibility and say sorry to all of the families and all of our countries.

我認為每個人，包括軍隊和政府裡的人，都應該負起責任，向所有家庭和我們的國家道歉。

Here in Tel Aviv, Gvili's family is worried that he might become a lost king case.

在這裡的特拉維夫，Gvili 的家人擔心他可能會成為一個失蹤國王的案例。

For now, however, there's hope that Israel's Last hostage from October 7th will be home soon.

不過，目前仍有希望，以色列在10月7日事件中的最後一個人質很快就能回家了。

Let's speak now to Yossi Meckelburg, the senior consulting fellow with Chatham House's Middle east and North Africa program.

現在，讓我們來聽聽查塔姆研究所中東與北非計畫的高級諮詢研究員 Yossi Meckelburg 的說法。

Welcome to DW Yossi, the return of Ran Gavili's remains have been framed as a gateway to phase two of the ceasefire.

歡迎來到 DW Yossi，Ran Gavili 遺體的遣返被視為進入停火協議第二階段的門戶。

How significant would you say this moment would be is politically for the Israeli government?

你認為這個時刻對以色列政府來說，在政治上有多重要？

I think it's important the remains of Ranik Villi, the last hostage of the hostages still in Gaza.

我認為，加薩最後一人質 Ranik Villi 的遺體，這件事很重要。

We saw, you know, if you put aside what the government said, I think it's important what the people have said.

我們看到，撇開政府說了什麼不談，我覺得人民說的話也很重要。

Israeli people have said now for many months that for them, you know, the return of the hostages, all of them until the last one return to Israel and in this case of running Vili that unfortunately was killed on October 7th is just to say proper goodbye to him and thank you for fighting Hamas on October 7th so heroically.

以色列人民已經說了好幾個月了，對他們來說，你知道的，人質的歸來，直到最後一人都回到以色列，而在 Ranik Villi 的這個案例中，他不幸在10月7日被殺害，這只是為了好好地跟他告別，並感謝他在10月7日如此英勇地對抗哈瑪斯。

So I think this is part of the ethos in Israel.

所以我認為這是以色列精神的一部分。

As for the Israeli government, I think throughout this we didn't see that there were that determined to do enough to return hostages.

至於以色列政府，我認為在這整個過程中，我們並沒有看到他們有多麼堅決地採取足夠的行動來讓所有人質回來。

So they always suspect if there for them it's not just a card to stall the next phase of the ceasefire.

所以他們總是懷疑，對他們來說，這是不是隻是為了拖延停火協議下一階段的一個籌碼。

Yeah, because on that note, the US and mediators are reportedly pushing ahead with phase two.

是的，因為就這一點來說，據報導，美國和調解人正在推進第二階段。

How does this shape Israel's negotiating position?

這會如何影響以色列的談判立場？

I think on the one hand the pressure on Hamas, it might be the case of, of putting pressure on Islamic Jihad to return his body.

我認為一方面是給哈瑪斯的壓力，或許是為了讓伊斯蘭聖戰組織交還遺體。

At the same time they need to continue negotiating in earnest.

同時，他們也需要認真地繼續談判。

The second phase, whether it's about further withdrawal of Israel from Gaza, bear in mind Israel is still occupying more than 50% of Gaza to allow more humanitarian aid, to allow a peacekeeping operation or enforcement operation, the international stabilization Force to be formed and deployed, the board of peace being established that we know who is actually what are the names that are going to the people are going to run it.

第二階段，無論是關於以色列從加薩進一步撤軍（請注意，以色列仍佔領加薩超過50%的地區），以允許更多人道援助，允許一支維和部隊或執行部隊，即國際穩定部隊的組建和部署，以及成立一個我們知道誰將實際負責運營的和平委員會。

Otherwise I'm afraid the very interim first phase will remain the permanent situation which perpetuate the the division of Gaza between Israel and Hamas.

否則，我擔心第一階段的臨時安排將變成永久的局面，持續加薩在以色列和哈瑪斯之間的劃分。

And one central element is demilitarizing Gaza.

其中一個核心要素是加薩的非軍事化。

Hamas saying disarmament is off the table.

哈瑪斯表示解除武裝不在談判桌上。

So where do you think that leaves this plan practically?

那麼你認為這項計畫實際上會走向何方？

I mean the minute that Hamas agreed to Trump 20 points plan and then UN Security Resolution 283 it means that it include disarmament.

我的意思是，哈瑪斯一旦同意川普的20點計畫和聯合國安全理事會第283號決議，就意味著其中包含了解除武裝。

Now disarmament can mean many things including decommissioning of weapons beyond ensuring that this weapon is beyond use needs to find a formula in which Hamas is not a threat to Israel, as we saw on October 7th two years ago.

現在，解除武裝可以有很多含義，包括武器的退役，以及確保這些武器無法再被使用，需要找到一個公式，讓哈瑪斯不再對以色列構成威脅，就像我們兩年前在10月7日看到的那樣。

But at the same time again, it's not using excuse for Israel perpetuating the occupation of large part of Gaza.

但同時，這也不能成為以色列繼續佔領加薩大部分地區的藉口。

Because we have already heard from Israel's Chief of Staff I.A.L.

因為我們已經聽過以色列參謀長 I.A.L.

the yellow line that divides now Gaza is the line, the border between in Gaza, while the American says exactly the opposite.

現在劃分加薩的黃線，是加薩境內的邊界，而美國的說法正好相反。

So it might be just part of bargaining tactics, but

所以這可能只是談判策略的一部分，但是

we need also where it leads at the end of the day, not to stop by even the wypto of Gaza, but

我們也需要知道最終的結果，不只是停留在加薩的撤離，而是

to move all the way to ensuring that there is a comprehensive peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

要進一步確保以色列人和巴勒斯坦人之間實現全面和平。

And inside Israel, attention is shifting towards accountability.

在以色列國內，人們的注意力正轉向追究責任。

There are renewed calls for national inquiry inquiry and the growing protest as well.

有人呼籲進行國家調查，抗議聲浪也越來越大。

How much pressure do you think that puts on Prime Minister Netanyahu at this stage?

你認為在這個階段，這會給總理納坦雅胡帶來多大的壓力？

I think it should be under a lot of pressure.

我認為他應該承受很大的壓力。

I think any leader with any modicum of integrity and sincerity would have resigned long time ago.

我認為任何有點誠信和真心實意的領導人，早就該辭職了。

This government failed to defend its own people, got the country involved in a war that tarnished the reputation of the country for many years.

這個政府未能保護自己的人民，讓國家捲入一場戰爭，讓國家聲譽多年來蒙上陰影。

But the list that the people that you know paid with their life back in October 7, all the soldiers that sacrificed their life, all what has happened in the last three years, it's a proper state inquiry led by a Supreme Court judge or retired Supreme Court judge, because people deserve to know at the exact who and how faith not only do justice to them, but

但回顧 10 月 7 日那些付出生命的人們，所有犧牲生命的阿兵哥，以及過去三年所發生的一切，應該由最高法院法官或退休最高法院法官領導進行適當的國家調查，因為人民有權知道確切是誰、如何發生的，這不僅是為了還他們公道，

also to ensure that nothing like this is happening.

也是為了確保這樣的事情不再發生。

But we know that Netanyahu is a survivor.

但我們知道納坦雅胡是個倖存者。

He's also facing corruption trial and he will do anything in his capacity to deflect from his responsibility.

他還面臨貪腐審判，他會盡一切能力來迴避他的責任。

And at the same time, his way to do it is to prevent state of inquiry.

同時，他的做法是阻止成立調查委員會。

Yossi Mekel Berg from the Chatham House's Middle east and North Africa Program, thank you very much for speaking to us.

謝謝查塔姆研究所中東與北非計畫的 Yossi Mekel Berg 接受我們的訪問。

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