Name: 基輔拒絕美國割讓領土給俄羅斯的要求！| DW 新聞 (Kyiv rejects US push to cede territory to Russia | DW News)
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Another round of talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine is underway in Berlin.

另一輪旨在結束烏克蘭戰爭的談判正在柏林進行。

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A series of meetings are planned for today and tomorrow.

今天和明天都安排了一系列會議。

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is meeting US Envoy Steve Witkoff and Donald Trump's son in law, Jared Kushner, here in Berlin.

烏克蘭總統澤倫斯基在此地柏林會見美國特使史蒂夫·維特科夫以及唐納·川普的女婿賈裡德·庫許納。

Chancellor Friedrich Matz is also joining the talks.

總理弗里德里希·馬茨也將加入談判。

Zelenskyy has reportedly said he's ready to drop Ukraine's NATO membership bid in exchange for what he calls a legally binding security guarantees from the West.

據報導，澤倫斯基表示，他願意放棄烏克蘭加入北約的請求，以換取他所謂來自西方的具有法律約束力的安全保障。

The Ukrainian leader continues to reject Washington's push for Kyiv to cede territory to Russia.

這位烏克蘭領導人繼續拒絕華盛頓要求基輔割讓領土給俄羅斯的提議。

And our political correspondent Paul Yeager is following this story for us.

我們的政治記者保羅·耶格爾正在為我們追蹤這則新聞。

The Ukrainian President and the US Envoy Witkov are meeting right now in Berlin.

烏克蘭總統和美國特使維特科夫現在正在柏林會面。

What can we expect there to come out of this meeting?

我們可以預期這次會議會有什麼結果？

The last info that we have is that the lights are still on in the Chancellery and they have been talking for some time now, the U.S.

我們得到的最新消息是，總理府的燈還亮著，他們已經談了一段時間了，美國。

representatives and the Ukrainian side, not the German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, who welcomed everyone, of course, at the Chancellery.

烏克蘭代表團，而不是德國總理弗里德里希·梅爾茨，當然是在總理府迎接大家。

But our information is that he's not part of the talks at the moment.

但我們的消息是，他目前並沒有參與談判。

Zelenskyy's mission, of course, for today is to gather support from the US and to kind of convince them that a ceasefire and that security guarantees is the minimum, or at least the security guarantees are the minimum that Ukraine needs in order to agree to any sort of peace deal.

澤倫斯基今天的任務，當然是爭取美國的支持，並說服他們，停火和安全保障是烏克蘭在同意任何和平協議的最低要求，或者至少是安全保障。

He said, as you said, that he's willing to make compromise, that he's willing to offer to offer more than he has so far, but

他說，正如你所說，他願意做出妥協，他願意提出比以往更多的條件，但是

that he is expecting, of course, that if, for example, the front line freezes, if the Ukrainians have to redraw their troops, then Russia would have to do the same.

他當然預期，如果前線凍結，如果烏克蘭必須重新部署軍隊，那麼俄羅斯也必須做同樣的事情。

So for him today, it's essential to get the US on board.

所以對他來說，今天至關重要的是要爭取到美國的支持。

Now, Paul, we should mention just ahead of the discussion that German Chancellor Friedrich Merz struck a notably cautious tone about cooperation with the U.S.

保羅，我們應該在討論開始前提到，德國總理弗里德里希·梅爾茨對與美國的合作採取了明顯謹慎的態度。

here's what the German Chancellor had to Trump did not come about overnight.

德國總理對川普的態度並非一蹴可幾。

And this American policy will not simply disappear overnight.

而這項美國政策不會就這樣消失。

It may be that things will become even more difficult with his successor.

他的繼任者可能會讓情況變得更加困難。

Let's prepare ourselves for the fact that we are also seeing a fundamental change in transatlantic relations.

我們要為跨大西洋關係也出現根本性轉變做好準備。

The decades of Pax Americana are largely over for us in Europe and also for us in Germany.

對於歐洲和德國的我們來說，美國治世的幾十年已經大致結束了。

它不再像我們過去所認識的那樣存在了。

Now, Paul, what can Germany and Europe realistically offer Zelensky?

現在，保羅，德國和歐洲實際能提供給澤倫斯基什麼？

I mean, first of all, support, of course.

我的意思是，首先當然是支持。

They want to demonstrate unity on the one side, but

they also want to demonstrate that Ukraine is not alone at the negotiating table.

他們也想表明烏克蘭在談判桌上並不孤單。

They want to make sure that President Zelensky has support.

他們想確保澤倫斯基總統獲得支持。

That's why tomorrow, several European heads of state, as well as NATO figures and important EU figures are expected in Berlin.

這就是為什麼明天，幾位歐洲國家元首，以及北約和歐盟的重要人物將會抵達柏林。

We're expecting double digits, a very big gathering.

我預期會有雙位數的參與，非常盛大的集會。

So at least there's a huge symbolic issue, symbolic value.

所以至少這有巨大的象徵意義，象徵價值。

And they hope that after today and tomorrow there may be a new proposed deal or something like this.

他們希望在今天和明天之後，可能會出現新的提案或類似的東西。

So there's a strong sign that Europe wants to be at the negotiation table.

這是一個強烈的訊號，表明歐洲希望參與談判桌。

But of course, above these meetings today and tomorrow, there's always this looming thought that of course, everything that they talk about or decide on will have to go to the Russian side.

但當然，在今天和明天的會議之上，總是有個揮之不去的想法，那就是他們談論或決定的任何事情，都必須傳達給俄羅斯方面。

And an advisor to Vladimir Putin already said today before these meetings that Russia expects hardly anything good from the Europeans and the Ukrainians.

而弗拉基米爾·普丁的一位顧問今天在這些會議之前就已經說過，俄羅斯對歐洲人和烏克蘭人幾乎不抱有任何好期望。

Yeah, this is always looming about these talks.

是的，這總是在這些會談中揮之不去。

Maybe one more aspect, one important aspect of the coming days, because what the Europeans actually could do, the EU countries is there is a EU summit coming up on Thursday in Brussels and they are talking about seizing frozen Russian assets or taking these assets to provide a long term credit for Ukraine.

也許還有一個方面，未來幾天一個重要的方面，因為歐洲國家實際上可以做的是，歐盟國家將在週四於布魯塞爾舉行歐盟峰會，他們正在討論扣押被凍結的俄羅斯資產，或將這些資產用於為烏克蘭提供長期信貸。

But that's controversial in the eu, is it not?

但在歐盟內部，這是有爭議的，不是嗎？

And also, for example, the Belgians who are of course, Brussels, they are the ones where the money is located.

而且，例如，比利時，當然，布魯塞爾，錢就在那裡。

They want also security guarantees in some way that they are not the ones in the end who are basically responsible for it alone.

他們也希望某種程度的安全保障，確保他們最終不會獨自承擔責任。

But I would say that if Europe fails in demonstrating unity, meaning in reaching a compromise, how to use these Russian assets and maybe provide credit, then the question has to be raised whether they actually should sit at the negotiation table.

但我想說的是，如果歐洲在展現團結方面失敗，也就是在如何使用這些俄羅斯資產並可能提供信貸方面未能達成妥協，那麼就必須提出一個問題，他們是否真的應該坐在談判桌前。

Our political correspondent, Paul Jaeger.

我們的政治記者，保羅·耶格爾。