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Uploaded: 2025-12-06T17:05:57.000Z
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The Rafah crossing is set to open in the next few days in order to let Palestinian residents into Egypt, though not to allow aid deliveries.

拉法口岸預計在未來幾天開放，讓巴勒斯坦居民進入埃及，但不能運送援助物資。

The Israeli military says that the arrangement is in accordance with the October ceasefire deal with Hamas.

以色列軍方表示，這項安排是根據與哈馬斯達成的十月停火協議。

The move would be coordinated with Egypt under the supervision of the European Union mission, similar to a mechanism that operated in January 2025.

這項措施將在歐洲聯盟任務的監督下與埃及協調進行，類似於2025年1月運行的機制。

There's no detail yet on whether existing Palestinians will.

目前還沒有關於現有巴勒斯坦人是否會的細節。

Exiting Palestinians, excuse me, will be able to return.

離開的巴勒斯坦人，抱歉，將能夠返回。

Israel doesn't want the crossing to allow aid deliveries which mainly arrive in Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing.

以色列不希望該口岸允許援助物資運送，這些物資主要通過凱雷姆沙洛姆口岸進入加沙。

And we are joined now by the Minister of Foreign affairs of Egypt, Badr Abdelati.

我們現在連線的是埃及外交部長 Badr Abdelati。

I'd like to begin with the situation along your border with Gaza in Rafah, because we are just hearing some reports that the crossing will open in one direction, exit only in the coming days.

我想先從您與加沙拉法邊境的局勢開始談起，因為我們剛聽到一些報導說，這個口岸未來幾天將單向開放，僅供出口。

Well, first of all, thank you so much for hosting me.

Well, we are working with the Israeli side with regard to operation of the Rafah crossing from the Gaza side, because, as you know, the Rafah crossing is operating 247 from the Egyptian side side.

我們正與以色列方面就加沙方面的拉法口岸運營進行協調，因為您知道，拉法口岸在埃及方面是全天候運營的。

So we are in and, you know, final discussions with the Israeli side with regard to the operation of the crossing from Gaza side.

所以我們正在與以色列方面就加沙方面的口岸運營進行最後討論。

And we are fully committed, of course, to allow the flow of all humanitarian and medical assistance into Gaza and of course, to alleviate the burden of the people.

當然，我們全力致力於允許所有人道主義和醫療援助物資進入加沙，並減輕民眾的負擔。

You, based on those conversations, do you think the opening is going to happen now in the next days?

根據這些談話，您認為未來幾天會開放嗎？

You know, let's talk about your concerns as well as your hopes because you have previously been concerned about forced displacement of Gazans amid the Israel Hamas war.

Where do those concerns stand right now that there's the prospect of the border opening?

你知道，我們來談談你的擔憂和希望，因為之前你一直擔心在以色列與哈馬斯戰爭期間，巴勒斯坦居民會被迫遷移。

Well, first of all, we are fully committed to make the Trump peace plan a successful one to be implemented on the ground.

現在邊境有開放的可能了，那些擔憂的情況如何了？

嗯，首先，我們全力致力於讓川普的和平計畫成功並在當地實施。

We are finished with the implementation of the first phase and now we have to focus on the second phase.

And of course, the operation of the Rafah crossing is vital, is very important, and

我們已經完成了第一階段的實施，現在必須專注於第二階段。

we need to have more accessibility of humanitarian and medical aid into Gaza.

當然，拉法口岸的運營至關重要，非常重要，而且

Also, there are many cases, medical cases in Gaza.

我們需要讓更多的人道主義和醫療援助物資進入加沙。

此外，加沙還有許多醫療案例。

So we are pretty ready to work and to elevate the burden of the people in Gaza, of course.

And we're going to talk about Trump's peace plan and your role as a broker and a mediator and all of that.

接下來我們要談談川普的和平計畫，以及你身為協調者和調解人的角色等等。

But first, just one more quick question about the situation at the Rafah crossing because Israel is saying that Hamas fighters are holed up in southern Gaza's tunnels beneath areas controlled by the Israeli military.

不過首先，關於拉法口岸的狀況，還有一個快速的問題，因為以色列表示哈馬斯戰士躲藏在以色列軍方控制區域下方的加沙南部隧道裡。

Hamas has now just called on mediating countries to pressure Israel to allow them safe passage.

哈馬斯現在呼籲調解國家向以色列施壓，允許他們安全通行。

Well, we are in full cooperation and consultations with the United States because the American role is extremely important.

嗯，我們正與美國進行全面合作與協商，因為美國的角色極其重要。

And the engagement of President Trump and the American administration is vital for the implementation of the Trump peace plan as well as for the upholding of the existing ceasefire.

川普總統和美國政府的參與，對於落實川普和平計畫以及維持現有的停火至關重要。

So, as I mentioned, we have discussions on the military security intelligence.

所以，正如我提到的，我們就軍事安全情報進行討論。

Sorry, I just want to bring it back to the question.

抱歉，我只想把話題拉回問題本身。

Sorry, Mr. Foreign Minister, it's just a very simple question.

抱歉，外交部長先生，這只是一個非常簡單的問題。

Do you think that Hamas members will be given safe passage by Israel out of those tunnels that Israel claims they are in in Raf?

你認為以色列軍方會讓哈馬斯成員從他們聲稱位於拉法口岸的那些隧道中安全撤離嗎？

And are you, as a mediating partner, applying that pressure right now?

作為調解夥伴，你們現在是否正在施加這種壓力？

As I mentioned, we are working with the Israelis and we are working with the Americans in order to solve this issue and other issues related to the decommissioning of Hamas.

正如我提到的，我們正與以色列方面以及美國方面合作，以解決這個問題以及其他與解除哈馬斯武裝相關的問題。

So it's ongoing discussions and we are working with the Israeli side, as I mentioned, as well as with the Americans, in order to find a solution to those different questions and problems.

所以，正如我提到的，這是一個持續的討論，我們正與以色列方面以及美國方面合作，以找到解決這些不同問題的方法。

I promised that we would talk about the peace plan and also about the reason why you are here in Berlin today.

我承諾我們會談論和平計畫，以及你今天為何會在這裡柏林。

You have discussed plans for the reconstruction of Gaza with your German counterpart.

你們與德國對口官員討論了加沙重建的計畫。

How should plans for reconstruction begin when the ceasefire remains fragile?

在停火仍然脆弱的情況下，重建計畫該如何開始？

Who are you going to convince to invest in Gaza?

Well, first of all, we have, as you correctly mentioned, to make the ceasefire uphold.

嗯，首先，正如你正確提到的，我們必須讓停火得到維持。

And that's why we are in daily contacts with the American side as well as with the Israeli side, and

這也是為什麼我們每天都與美國方面以及以色列方面保持聯繫，

also with Hamas and the different Palestinian factions.

也與哈馬斯及不同的巴勒斯坦派別保持聯繫。

Because as you correctly mentioned, without having a solid ceasefire on the ground, we cannot talk about other issues of importance.

因為正如你正確提到的，如果沒有穩固的停火，我們就無法談論其他重要議題。

So we have to start right now the implementation of the second phase.

所以我們必須立刻開始執行第二階段。

We have also to move forward with the implementation of the security council resolution 2803.

我們也必須推進執行安全理事會第2803號決議。

This is very important and we have to move forward.

這點非常重要，我們必須向前邁進。

As for the recovery and the reconstruction conference of Gaza, this is very important as well to give hope for people to in Gaza to build on the existing momentum resulted from the having the ceasefire and having the Sharm El Sheikh summit meeting last October.

至於加沙的恢復和重建會議，這點同樣非常重要，能給予加沙人民希望，並延續去年十月停火及設得 लष्山峰會所產生的動能。

We, we and we have to move parallel in different tracks at the same time, because time is pressing and people are suffering in Gaza.

我們、我們和我們必須同時在不同軌道上同步推進，因為時間緊迫，加沙人民正遭受苦難。

Winter is already there and the weather is very harsh in Gaza and no shelters, nothing there.

冬天已經來了，加沙的天氣非常嚴酷，沒有庇護所，什麼都沒有。

So we have to address the early recovery projects and that will prepare for the reconstruction of Gaza.

所以我們必須處理早期恢復項目，這將為加沙的重建做好準備。

Germany is a partner and it's very important country and they will be co conveners and we are working with the Americans for the co chairmanship of the of the conference and to have the date and the timing for the conference.

德國是一個夥伴，也是一個非常重要的國家，他們將共同召集，我們正與美國合作，共同主持這次會議，並確定會議的日期和時間。

And we are pushing very hard on the in that direction.

And that's a conference on reconstruction.

Just to remind our viewers, I'd like to you mentioned the humanitarian situation.

提醒一下我們的觀眾，您提到了人道主義狀況。

I'd also like to ask you about the security situation because I mean you have the inside track here.

我也想請教您關於安全局勢，因為您在這裡有內部消息。

We've seen you, Qatar, the United States brokering a lot of the negotiations to end the Israel Hamas war in all stages of this, the release of the hostages, the cease fire talks and now also through this framework of Trump's 20 point peace plan which you mentioned got the green light also from the Security Council recently you have made this commitment to train a Palestinian police force in Sinai for Gaza deployment.

我們看到您、卡達、美國在以色列哈馬斯戰爭的各個階段，包括人質釋放、停火談判，以及您提到的最近也獲得安理會綠燈的川普20點和平計畫框架，都在斡旋談判，您也承諾在西奈訓練巴勒斯坦警察部隊，以便部署到加沙。

And Trump's peace plan is also calling for an international stabilization force to be this long term international security solution.

而且川普的和平計畫也呼籲成立一支國際穩定部隊，作為長期的國際安全解決方案。

They say that they will consult with you in the development of this force, which is why I'd like to ask you, do you really see this coming about because so few have wanted to play the role of peacekeeper on the ground in Gaza.

他們表示將與您協商這支隊伍的發展，這也是為什麼我想問您，您真的認為這會實現嗎？因為很少有人願意在加沙地面扮演維和者的角色。

How do you see security happening going forward?

您認為未來的安全會如何發展？

Well, it's coming, it's happening of course, and

we should be very serious on that because the issue of governance is very important.

我們應該非常認真對待，因為治理問題非常重要。

The issue of security is very important as well.

And when it comes to security, we have to talk about two levels.

而說到安全，我們必須談論兩個層面。

First level is the Palestinian level, the local policemen.

第一個層面是巴勒斯坦層面，也就是當地警察。

And we have already, as we speak, around 5,000 policemen in Gaza.

而且，就在我們說話的同時，加沙已經有大約五千名警察。

They are, I mean they've been there, they are taking their salaries and they need just to be deployed to be empowered in order to take care of the law enforcement in Gaza.

他們已經在那裡，領著薪水，只需要被部署、被賦權，以便在加沙負責執法。

Parallel to that, as you correctly mentioned, we are working very hard for providing training for Palestinian young men in Egypt in order to prepare them to take over also to security arrangement in Gaza and to complement the other 5,000 already there in Gaza to fill the vacuum and to take care of the daily life of the people in Gaza.

同時，正如您所說，我們正努力在埃及為巴勒斯坦年輕人提供訓練，讓他們準備好接管加沙的安全安排，並補充加沙現有的五千人，填補真空，照顧加沙民眾的日常生活。

The second level, as you correctly mentioned, isf, the International Stabilization Force.

第二個層面，正如您所說，是國際穩定部隊。

And this is very, very important because they will be mandated with month monitoring of the ceasefire to make sure that the two parties are honoring their commitments according to the cease fire without violation and also to take care of the external border and the security of the border and also the operation of the crossings.

這非常非常重要，因為他們將被授權監督停火，確保雙方遵守停火承諾，沒有違規行為，同時也要負責外部邊界、邊界安全以及口岸的運營。

And some countries expressed their readiness to participate.

有些國家已經表達了參與的意願。

And we are now working with the American for the, you know, identifying the mission and the mandate as well as the formulation of these forces.

我們現在正與美國合作，確定部隊的任務、授權以及組建方式。

one does have to say, I mean, countries have not been running to sign up for this.

我們必須說，國家並沒有爭先恐後地報名參加。

So there is some skepticism out there about whether or not it is indeed realistic and feasible.

所以有些人對這是否真的切實可行感到懷疑。

Another thing that also is a big barrier is that one of the conditions for Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in the peace deal is that Hamas give up its weapons.

另一個很大的障礙是，以色列從加沙撤軍的和平協議條件之一是哈馬斯放棄武器。

Of course, their public line has been absolutely not.

當然，他們公開的說法是絕對不行。

Do you see any circumstances under which they would agree to that?

你認為在什麼情況下他們會同意？

Well, again, we have to work on different parallel tracks and as you correctly mentioned, for the second phase, we have issues related to decommissioning as well as redeployment and withdrawal of the Israeli forces from Gaza.

嗯，再說一次，我們必須在不同的平行軌道上工作，正如你正確提到的，第二階段，我們有關於解除武裝以及重新部署和以色列軍隊從加沙撤軍的問題。

So there are commitments for the two parties and we have to work very, very hard in order to implement what was agreed upon in the Trump peace plan as well as in the Security Council resolution.

所以雙方都有承諾，我們必須非常非常努力地執行在川普和平計畫以及安全理事會決議中達成的協議。

And the international community, the United States, this is the main guarantee.

國際社會、美國，這是主要的保證。