Name: 匈牙利挑戰歐盟俄羅斯天然氣進口禁令：DW 專訪歐盟能源專員 Dan Jørgensen | DW 新聞 (Hungary challenges EU ban on Russian gas imports: DW Speaks to EU's Dan Jørgensen | DW News)
Uploaded: 2025-12-04T16:53:40.000Z
Duration: 5 min 48 s

Now, Hungary is challenging a decision by the European Union to ban all gas imports from Russia.

現在，匈牙利正在挑戰歐洲聯盟禁止所有俄羅斯天然氣進口的決定。

Slovakia, which is also dependent on Russian energy, is likewise considering legal action.

斯洛伐克也依賴俄羅斯能源，同樣考慮採取法律行動。

Now, this all comes after the European Parliament voted to halt the import of Russian gas by the end of 2027.

這一切都發生在歐洲議會投票決定在2027年底前停止進口俄羅斯天然氣之後。

And the ban will be gradually phased in before coming into full force.

這項禁令將分階段實施，然後全面生效。

EU chief Ursula von der Leyen said the European Union is at the dawn of new era of energy independence from Russia.

歐盟首席烏爾蘇拉·馮德萊恩表示，歐洲聯盟正處於能源獨立於俄羅斯的時代開端。

Let's break this down with Dan Jurgensen.

我們來請 Dan Jurgensen 為我們分析。

He serves as European Commissioner for Energy and Housing.

他擔任歐洲能源與住房事務專員。

So it's great to have you on the program.

You know, many people will be asking why it's taken the EU four years since Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine to reach this agreement.

你知道嗎，很多人會問，自從俄羅斯全面入侵烏克蘭以來，歐洲聯盟為什麼花了四年才達成這項協議。

那為什麼會花這麼久的時間呢？

Well, first of all, it's not as if nothing has happened.

嗯，首先，並不是什麼事情都沒發生。

When the full scale invasion happened, we got 45% of our gas from Russia.

當時全面入侵發生時，我們有 45% 的天然氣來自俄羅斯。

現在我們只進口了 10% 多一點。

Having said that, I am actually one of the voices who've been quite critical in my former job.

話雖如此，我其實是我過去職位中，一個相當批評的聲音。

When I was Minister of Energy in Denmark, I also argued that we needed a ban.

當我擔任丹麥能源部長時，我也主張我們需要一項禁令。

The reason why it hasn't been possible earlier is that normally when introducing measures like this, it's via sanctions.

之所以之前無法實現，是因為通常在引入這類措施時，是透過制裁。

And sanctions can only be adopted with unanimity.

而制裁只能透過一致同意來通過。

And there are, as you probably know, two countries that do not support this.

所以確實有兩個國家，你們可能也知道，他們不支持這項措施。

所以我們現在發明瞭一個新的方法。

It's unprecedented where we use trade legislation to prohibit the import of gas.

這是前所未有的，我們利用貿易法規來禁止天然氣進口。

So it is something that is a completely new step, but

所以這是一個全新的步驟，但是

it is something that we consider extremely necessary.

Can you give us a sense of how much gas is being imported from Russia and, and

您能告訴我們大約從俄羅斯進口多少天然氣，以及

您希望透過這項禁令達成什麼目標嗎？

So even though we have reduced our import from Russia quite significantly from around 45% of our consumption to just over 10, it's still quite a lot.

所以雖然我們已經大幅減少了從俄羅斯的進口，從大約佔我們總消費量的 45% 降到 10% 多一點，但這仍然不少。

It actually means that the, the European Union sending, not the European Union as such, but

這實際上意味著，歐洲聯盟正在發送，不是歐洲聯盟本身，而是

customers in the European Union and are sending more than 1 billion euros to Russia every month.

歐洲聯盟的客戶，每個月向俄羅斯發送超過 10 億歐元。

That is, of course, 100% unacceptable because that means that we are indirectly helping to finance Putin's war.

這當然是絕對無法接受的，因為這意味著我們間接資助了普丁的戰爭。

On top of that, obviously it's not a good thing to be dependent on anybody with regards to energy, because energy is at the core of our security.

更不用說，依賴任何人提供能源本來就不是好事，因為能源是我們安全的核心。

But when that country that we're dependent on is also our enemy, then of course the situation is even more serious.

但如果我們依賴的國家同時也是我們的敵人，那情況當然就更嚴重了。

And that is why this agreement that was made last year.

這就是為什麼去年達成的這項協議。

抱歉，是昨晚，非常晚的時候。

Between the Parliament and the Council, building on the proposal made by the European Commission is so important.

歐洲議會和理事會之間，在歐洲執委會提議的基礎上達成的這項協議非常重要。

Because Hungary says it's going to challenge the ban in court.

因為匈牙利說他們要在法庭上挑戰這項禁令。

這些事情從來都不是一帆風順的。

So we have a watertight also legally proposal that has now been adopted.

所以我們現在有一個滴水不漏，在法律上也很有力的提案，已經通過了。

It means also that companies that might have long term contracts will not be held responsible for that.

這也意味著，即使有長期合約的公司也不會是以負責。

對這些公司來說，這是不可抗力。

So legally speaking, I'm not worried at all.

所以從法律上來說，我一點都不擔心。

What I will say though is that I regret the fact that not all countries in Europe support this legislation because I think it's important that we stand side by side in our defense of Ukraine and in our opposition to Russia.

不過，我必須說，我對歐洲並非所有國家都支持這項立法感到遺憾，因為我認為我們在捍衛烏克蘭和反對俄羅斯時，團結一致非常重要。

Do you see this potentially leading to imports of more expensive gas from the U.S.

你認為這會導致從美國進口更昂貴的天然氣嗎？

you know, with Europeans facing a higher cost of living.

So we're well prepared for this and what we will do to limit the risks of price increases is that first and foremost we use less gas.

所以我們已經準備得很充分了，為了限制價格上漲的風險，我們首先要做的就是減少使用天然氣。

So we have become far more energy efficient and we have transitioned away from gas by electrifying more processes, by using more renewables.

我們已經變得更加節能，並且透過電氣化更多流程、使用更多再生能源來擺脫對天然氣的依賴。

All in all, we are reducing quite significantly every year our gas consumption.

總體來說，我們每年都在顯著減少天然氣的消耗。

And instead of importing it from Russia, we will diversify and import more from the US from Canada, from Romania.

我們將會分散進口來源，從美國、加拿大、羅馬尼亞進口更多，而不是從俄羅斯進口。

That will also produce more and other sources around the planet.

這也會產生更多來自世界其他地方的能源。

我也可以問你關於俄羅斯的石油嗎？

Because of course large sums are still feeding Putin's wartime economy, aren't they?

因為當然，巨額資金仍在資助普丁的戰時經濟，不是嗎？

Well, oil imports has actually been prohibited via sanctions for a while, but

不過，石油進口其實已經被制裁禁止一段時間了，

two countries have exceptions, Hungary and Slovakia.

但有兩個國家獲得了例外，就是匈牙利和斯洛伐克。

And we are now telling those two countries that that will also end.

我們現在要告訴這兩個國家，這也會終止。

And I will put forward on behalf of the early next year a legislative proposal that will make sure that this happens.

我會在明年初提出一項立法提案，確保這件事會發生。

Dan Jurgensen, European Commissioner for Energy and Housing thank you so much for your time today.

歐洲能源與住房事務專員 Dan Jurgensen，非常感謝您今天撥冗受訪。