Name: 關於唐卡斯特-倫敦列車襲擊事件的最新消息 | BBC 新聞廣播 (What We Know So Far About The Doncaster-London Train Attack | BBC Newscast)
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今天是星期日，新聞播報時間。

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We're recording this at 11 o' clock when we have just had an update from the British Transport Police after a terrible attack on the 6:25 Doncaster to London, King's Cross.

我們在十一點錄製這個節目，剛剛收到了英國交通警察的最新消息，關於一場發生在六點二十五分從唐卡斯特開往倫敦國王十字車站的可怕襲擊。

The big headline for the last few minutes, Alex, is this.

過去幾分鐘的頭條新聞是這個，Alex。

At this stage there is nothing to suggest that this is a terrorist incident.

目前沒有跡象顯示這是一起恐怖襲擊事件。

This is a British Transport Police investigation and we continue to work to establish at pace the full circumstances and the motivations that have led to this incident.

這是英國交通警察的調查，我們正持續努力迅速釐清這起事件的完整情況和犯案動機。

At this early stage, it would not be appropriate to speculate on the cause of this incident.

在這個初期階段，不適合推測這起事件的原因。

Yeah, I mean, obviously I can't even begin to think what it must have been like for the people on that train.

是啊，我的意思是，顯然我根本無法想像當時在火車上的人們是什麼樣的心情。

And immediately the news started to come through.

You know, we had some eyewitness accounts of just how awful it was, the politicians saying how horrific.

我們收到了一些目擊者證詞，描述了當時有多麼糟糕，政界人士也說有多麼駭人聽聞。

But what a lot of people were trying to fathom was the motive and what happened here.

但很多人想弄清楚的是犯案動機以及這裡到底發生了什麼事。

And I think the critical bits we heard from that press conference were this really, firstly that the police saying that nothing supports the fact that this is a terrorist incident, really, really key.

而我認為記者會上最關鍵的資訊是，首先，警方表示沒有任何跡象支持這是一起恐怖襲擊事件，這點非常非常重要。

And the other thing is the two people they've got in custody, a 32 year old black British national and a 35 year old British national of Caribbean descent, both born in the uk.

還有另一件事是，他們拘留的兩個人，一位是 32 歲的英國籍黑人，另一位是 35 歲的加勒比裔英國國民，兩人都出生在英國。

The police clearly very keen to get that information out.

警方顯然非常想把這些資訊傳達出去。

So on today's newscast we will hear all, all the information that we have about that attack on the Doncaster to London train.

所以今天的新聞播報，我們會聽取所有關於唐卡斯特到倫敦火車上那場襲擊事件的資訊。

We'll hear from eyewitnesses, the police and the politicians all on this episode of Newscast.

在這集的新聞播報中，我們會聽到目擊者、警方和政界人士的說法。

Hello, it's Alex in the makeshift home studio and it's looking very lovely, your home studio, as I remarked yesterday, a lovely place to be and lovely to have you with us as Paddy is on his halls.

哈囉，我是臨時居家攝影棚的 Alex，你的居家攝影棚看起來很棒，就像我昨天說的，是個很舒服的地方，很高興你也在這裡，Paddy 正在準備。

So as you were just saying, there has in the last half hour been a police press conference after the news broke late last about an unimaginable horror.

就像你剛才說的，在過去半小時，新聞在昨天深夜爆出一個難以想像的恐怖事件後，警方召開了記者會。

Just imagine being a passenger on a train when there's somebody, two people in this case, who we believe to have been trying to attack people, stabbing multiple people.

想像一下，當火車上有一個人，這次是兩個人，我們相信他們試圖攻擊人們，刺傷了許多人，當時乘客的心情會是怎樣。

And as we speak, there have been many people who are in hospitals, some with life threatening injuries, but some who happily have already been discharged.

就在我們說話的同時，有許多人還在醫院，有些傷勢危及生命，但幸運的是，有些人已經出院了。

Let's just bring you the bullet points, if you like, from the press conference from the police.

我們就先為你整理一下警方記者會的重點。

So we had this update from Superintendent John Lovelace, as you say, not so long ago in the last 20 minutes, and we're recording this at 11am and he said that this was the 6:25 train from Doncaster.

就像你說的，在最後 20 分鐘，也就是我們現在錄音的早上 11 點前不久，我們收到了由警司 John Lovelace 提供的最新消息，他說這列火車是從唐卡斯特開往倫敦的 6:25 班次。

He said around 7:42 the calls started to come in to the police about reports of multiple stabbings on this service.

他說大約在 7:42，警方開始接到報案，說這班列車發生了多起刺傷事件。

They then went onto the train that stopped at Huntington station and with eight minutes of that 999 call they had two, nine men in custody.

他們隨後登上停靠在亨廷頓車站的列車，在接到報案的 8 分鐘內，就已經逮捕了兩名男性嫌犯並將他們拘留。

He gave the details about the people that they had arrested.

他也提供了被逮捕者的詳細資訊。

A 32 year old black British national, a 35 year old British national of Caribbean descent, both born in the uk, both arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

一名 32 歲的英國籍黑人，一名 35 歲的加勒比裔英國國民，兩人都在英國出生，因涉嫌謀殺未遂而被逮捕。

And of course the victims, the people who were affected by this, 10 initially taken to hospital and overnight we had reports that nine of those had life threatening injuries.

當然還有受害者，那些受影響的人，最初有十人被送往醫院，過夜時我們收到消息說其中九人傷勢危及生命。

We now know that four have been discharged but there are still two patients with life threatening conditions.

我們現在知道有四人已經出院，但仍有兩名病患情況危急。

And then he did go on to say that while counterterrorism police were in initially supporting this investigation, there is nothing, according to the police that suggests this is a terrorist incident.

他接著說，雖然反恐警察最初在支援這項調查，但根據警方說法，沒有任何跡象顯示這是一起恐怖襲擊事件。

So that's what we know so far about this horrendous incident on this train service.

所以這就是我們目前為止，對這起火車服務上發生的可怕事件所知道的一切。

And in any episode like this, Alex, we have to be incredibly careful about the concrete facts that we are aware of in any situation like this.

在這種情況下，Alex，我們必須非常謹慎地對待我們所知道的具體事實。

And it was interesting on the program this morning.

今天早上節目中，這點很有意思。

All our politicians talked about the need not to allow speculation to run rife for people not to circulate information online.

我們所有的政界人士都談到，不能讓揣測四處亂傳，也不能讓民眾在網路上散播資訊。

That was conjecture or guessing or even people trying to stir things up.

那是猜測、臆測，甚至是有人想藉機生事。

So those are newscasters, the concrete facts as we have them at 5 past 11 on Sunday morning.

所以這些是新聞播報，是我們在週日上午 11 點 5 分掌握到的具體事實。

Let's hear then from one of the people who was actually on that train.

讓我們來聽聽當時確實在那列火車上的一位乘客怎麼說。

There was a girl, bless her, who was really, really in a bit of state because the guy actually tried to stab her.

有個女孩，可憐的她，當時真的非常、非常驚慌，因為那個人試圖刺殺她。

And one of the older guys is an absolute hero, blocked it with his head and he's got this like, gash.

其中一位年長的男子真是個英雄，他用頭擋住了，頭上還有一道傷口。

He had his gash on his head, he's got his.

He's got a gash in his neck and he's kind of get, we're kind of giving him like jackets to keep the pressure on the blood.

他脖子上有道傷口，我們正拿夾克幫他按壓止血。

So what was interesting here, Alex, is that between 9 and 10 all the politicians on the program said we hope that the police will give us information about identity and nationality of the attackers as quickly as they can.

所以這裡很有趣的是，Alex，在早上九點到十點之間，節目上的所有政界人士都說，希望警方能盡快提供關於攻擊者身份和國籍的資訊。

And, and that does appear in fact to be what's happened.

The police were very careful to give the nationality and ethnicity and I suppose, I mean, I reckon that's a response to what happened in the days after the terrible Southport attacks.

警方非常謹慎地提供了國籍和種族資訊，我想，我認為這是對南岸恐怖襲擊事件幾天後所發生的事情的回應。

It's almost become a feature now of this kind of incident and then subsequent investigation.

這幾乎成了這類事件和後續調查的一個特色了。

It's like another consideration for the police, because what they are conscious of and aware of, and we did see it in the wake of those horrendous Southport attacks, was because of social media, because of the way that people respond to something like this, because of a speculation and quite often mis and disinformation that is so quickly put out into the public domain and can get traction so quickly.

這就像是警方需要考量的另一件事，因為他們意識到，而且我們在南岸恐怖襲擊事件之後也看到了，由於社群媒體、人們對這種事情的反應方式、以及猜測，而且經常是錯誤和虛假資訊如此迅速地被公開傳播並迅速獲得關注。

Police are now very deliberately and consciously having to make decisions about what they can release and when.

警方現在非常刻意且有意識地必須決定能釋出什麼資訊以及何時釋出。

And it feels like there is a sort of real pressure for them to release that kind of information about race and ethnicity and nationality as soon as they possibly can.

感覺上，他們確實承受著一股壓力，要盡快釋出關於種族、族裔和國籍的資訊。

And if you remember, Laura, after that, that incident with the Liverpool football parade, you know, police were very quick at that point to release details about the suspect who had been arrested because they wanted to stop speculation or misinformation online.

還記得嗎，蘿拉，在那之後，利物浦足球遊行事件，警方當時很快就釋出了被捕嫌犯的細節，因為他們想阻止網路上的猜測或不實資訊。

And it seems like in this case, we've had something very similar.

在這起事件中，我們似乎也遇到了非常類似的情況。

You know, it was right up front and center of that press conference this morning when they did tell us about the nationality of.

今天早上記者會一開始，他們就非常直接地告訴我們關於兩位被捕男子的國籍。

It's like a feature now of policing and policing decisions that they are having to consider when and how they release this information because of the threat of this misinformation.

這似乎已經成了警方辦案和決策的一個特色了，他們必須考慮何時以及如何釋出這些資訊，因為有不實資訊的威脅。

And it's fascinating, isn't it, because that is a concrete change in a very serious bit of public policy.

這很有趣，不是嗎？因為這是一個非常嚴肅的公共政策上的具體改變。

How do the authorities react to something that might look like a terrorist incident?

當局如何應對可能看起來像恐怖襲擊事件的事情？

How do they react to a serious form of crime?

他們如何應對嚴重的犯罪行為？

And they're reacting to a change in everybody's behavior and the kind of things that people get up to on their phones or tablets or laptops.

而且他們正在應對大家行為的改變，以及人們在手機、平板或筆記型電腦上會做的事情。

And that is now a feature of these kinds of stories and these kinds of terrible events.

這似乎已經成了這類新聞和這類可怕事件的一個特色了。

And politicians would also sort of dance around it.

政界人士也會 sort of 迴避這個問題。

They would say, well, we can't say anything because the police are operationally independent.

他們會說，我們什麼都不能說，因為警方在運作上是獨立的。

They'll release the information when they can.

他們會在可以的時候釋出資訊。

And that political pressure is now very definitely there.

而這種政治壓力現在非常明顯。

It was there also, remember, in the terrible synagogue attack, which is only a few weeks ago.

還記得幾週前那場可怕的猶太會堂襲擊事件，當時也是如此。

Then also the police in Greater Manchester moved very quickly to give as much information as they could about the identity of the attacker.

接著，大曼徹斯特的警方也迅速行動，盡可能提供關於攻擊者身份的資訊。

Partly, of course, because those images were out there, there on social media.

部分原因當然是那些畫面已經在社群媒體上流傳開來了。

We haven't seen any of those kind of Images yet in the public domain.

我們還沒看到任何這類畫面在公開場合出現。

Maybe by the time you listen to this, newscasters or the time you watch this, that there are images circulating and are available to show more of what happened on the train.

或許等你聽到或看到這段新聞播報時，已經有畫面在流傳，能更清楚地展示火車上發生的事。

But it is one of the things that in 2025 has led the authorities to treat these kinds of events in a different way because of the impact of what technology has done to society.

但這也是 2025 年讓當局因為科技對社會的影響，而以不同方式處理這類事件的原因之一。

And of course, politicians were also using technology to give their responses too, weren't they?

當然，政界人士也利用科技來回應，不是嗎？

Yeah, well, he was out there quite quickly on social media expressing his concern about this attack, you know, and again, the message of message from politicians all about how horrendous this attack is and their thoughts with the victims and praise for the first responders and the paramedics.

是的，他很快就在社群媒體上表達了他對這次攻擊的擔憂，你知道的，政界人士傳達的訊息都是關於這次攻擊有多麼可怕，以及他們對受害者的慰問，還有對第一線應急人員和醫護人員的讚揚。

So we heard from Keir Starmer on social media.

所以我們聽了 Keir Starmer 在社群媒體上的發言。

We also heard from Kimmy Badenock, who spoke to you about it, Laura, on your program saying something quite similar.

我們也聽到了 Kimmy Badenock，她對妳說了類似的話，Laura，在妳的節目上。

And what I was really struck by from all of the politicians that you spoke to, was them urging transparency about this quickly.

而我從妳採訪的所有政界人士那裡，最讓我印象深刻的是，他們都敦促要盡快公開透明。

You know, so they wanted the authorities to give as much information as they could as quickly as they could.

也就是說，他們希望相關單位能盡快提供他們所能提供的資訊。

But it's also interesting that when you speak to people, senior people in policing, they say that does pose another challenge because they have to weigh that up with the operational concerns about what information they can release without potentially jeopardizing any ongoing investigation.

但有趣的是，當妳跟一些資深警務人員談話時，他們會說這也帶來了另一個挑戰，因為他們必須權衡，在不危及任何正在進行的調查的情況下，可以釋出哪些資訊。

You know, it's another complexity to these already really complex and fast moving police investigations.

這又為這些已經非常複雜且快速發展的警方調查，增添了另一層複雜性。

We are a long way away from back in the day when you and I were trainee journalists going through the tomes of the rules and regulations about what you could or couldn't report.

我們離過去那種妳我還是菜鳥記者，翻遍規則手冊關於什麼能報、什麼不能報的時代，已經很遠了。

And the police would often give as tiny amounts of information as they possibly could because of their fear about impacting or affecting an investigation or a potential future court case.

當時警方因為害怕影響調查或未來的訴訟案件，常常只提供極少量的資訊。

Times are very definitively changed given the fact that as things stand, there isn't a belief and there isn't evidence that this is a terror attack.

情況已經徹底改變了，因為就目前來看，並沒有跡象或證據顯示這是一起恐怖襲擊事件。

We also heard from John Healy, his defense secretary, who was with us this morning.

我們也聽了國防部長 John Healy 的說法，他今天早上和我們一起。

And he was urging people essentially to go about their business.

他基本上是敦促大家照常生活。

Normally to be vigilant, yes, but he said that the public was resilient.

當然要保持警惕，但他說民眾很有韌性。

People shouldn't be changing their behavior.

They shouldn't be terribly worried about this, although they should be vigilant when they are out and about and on the transport system.

他們不必對此感到非常擔心，不過外出和搭乘大眾運輸時，還是要保持警惕。

But he said, look like lots of people, he's somebody who uses that train line.

但他說，看看很多人，他就是搭這條路線火車的人。

This has been shocking and very close to home for me.

這件事令人震驚，而且離我非常近。

This was, I was on that very service with my wife Jackie, yesterday, just a few hours before the attack.

昨天，也就是事發前幾小時，我和我太太 Jackie 就搭乘了同一班列車。

It's a line I use every week to get home to Rotherham.

這是我每週搭乘的路線，用來回家到羅瑟勒姆。

And I pay huge tribute to the passengers, but also the emergency services for the way they responded, because this might have been so much worse if they hadn't acted in the way that they did.

我非常讚揚乘客們，當然還有緊急服務人員的應變方式，因為如果他們沒有那樣做，情況可能會糟得多。

So, I mean, the Defence Secretary there talking, and I guess many people will be actually having a sort of similar thing when you think how often you use the trains, about how, you know, for him, it felt so close to home because he'd been on that service only a couple of hours earlier, which, you know, you cannot forget the kind of human side of all this and those compelling eyewitness accounts from the people who just must have been absolutely terrified in that enclosed space.

所以，我是說，國防部長在那裡說話，我想很多人在想自己搭火車的頻率時，也會有類似的感受，對他來說，感覺如此貼近，因為他事發前幾小時才搭過那班車，這點，你知道，你無法忘記這一切的人性面，以及那些令人印象深刻的目擊者證詞，他們一定在那個密閉空間裡嚇壞了。

But, you know, back to the kind of the wider challenge of policing and how they deal with the aftermath of these incidents, which clearly have such a, you know, a huge impact on individuals involved, but also kind of wider society, because people think, my goodness, what has happened here?

不過，你知道，回到警務工作的廣泛挑戰，以及他們如何處理這些事件的後續，這些事件顯然對當事人有巨大的影響，也對整個社會有影響，因為人們會想，我的天啊，這裡發生了什麼事？

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