Name: 如何將焦慮重新連接成真實感 | Jesse Eisenberg for Big Think+ (How to rewire your anxiety into authenticity | Jesse Eisenberg for Big Think+)
Uploaded: 2025-10-08T18:11:06.000Z
Duration: 10 min 37 s

And I forgot the other thing that I was supposed to say because I was, sorry, I'm gonna get better by this.

然後我忘了我本來還要說的另一件事，因為我，抱歉，我下次會改進的。

In the next answer, what is the thing that was supposed to be like?

在下一個回答裡，原本應該是什麼呢？

I have, you know, what you might call stage fright.

我有，你知道的，你們可能會稱之為舞臺恐懼症。

I think my therapist calls it something a little more medical.

我想我的治療師會說得更醫學一點。

Every other year or so, I would write a play and perform a play that I had written, and

大約每兩年，我就會寫一齣戲，然後演出我自己寫的戲，

I would perform the show, you know, 150 times.

我會演那齣戲，你知道的，演個 150 場。

That's, you know, when you do a run of a play, you know, that's how many performances you do.

那就是，你知道的，當你一齣戲連演，你知道的，就是你演的場次。

Which might sound just, you know, crazy to an outsider that you do that same play 150 times, but

對外人來說，聽起來可能很瘋狂，你會演同一齣戲 150 場，但

as the performer in it, every One of those 150 times feels so different.

身為裡面的演員，那 150 場裡的每一場都感覺很不一樣。

And so I would notice that as the play went on, the run of the play went on, when we would get to performance 100 out of, let's say, 150, it would just get worse and worse and worse.

所以我會注意到，隨著戲劇的進行，一齣戲的連演，當我們演到第 100 場，假設總共 150 場，情況就會越來越糟，越來越糟。

Now, it's totally counterintuitive because you would assume that if you'd done 100 performances and they've all gone well, why would the 101st go bad?

現在，這完全違反直覺，因為你會假設，如果你已經演了 100 場而且都表現得很好，為什麼第 101 場會變差？

But the way my mind works, which is just out of anxiety and catastrophization, is that I assume that because the 101st first performances went well, the 101st is definitely not going to go well.

但我的思維方式，就是出於焦慮和災難化，我會假設因為前面 100 場都演得很好，第 101 場絕對不會演好。

That, you know, you can't land on red 100 times without hitting black.

你知道的，你不可能連續擲出 100 次紅色而不出現黑色。

So I would be most anxious by the 150th performance that I cannot believe.

所以到了第 150 場演出，我會焦慮到不敢相信。

We've done 149 shows and they've all gone so well.

我們已經演了 149 場，而且都演得非常好。

Tonight's the night where I'm not only going to screw it up, but

I'm going to turn to the audience to say the most embarrassing thing that I would never even tell my best friend.

我會轉向觀眾說出我連最好的朋友都不會說的、最丟臉的話。

好的，我的思考模式大概是這樣。

I think a lot of people can relate to that in other industries because, you know, we all have this feeling that, you know, if something's going right, you know, if you're a person who worries, the next thing's going to go wrong.

我想很多人在其他行業也會有同感，因為你知道，我們都有這種感覺，如果事情進展順利，如果你是個愛擔心的人，接下來事情就會出錯。

And it's so strange because when I'm having these kind of, like, anxiety, kind of panic attacks before the performances, my colleagues, who have been like, uniformly amazing colleagues, especially dealing with somebody who.

這很奇怪，因為當我演出前有這種焦慮、恐慌發作的時候，我的同事們，他們一直以來都非常棒，尤其是在面對像我這樣一個。

Who is, like, kind of emotional like I am, you know, they're kind of, like laughing at me, which is nice, because it shows that, you know, what I'm feeling is not to be fretted over.

情緒化的人，你知道的，他們會笑我，這很好，因為這表示我感受到的並不是什麼值得煩惱的事。

And then oftentimes I'll ask them the same question that I asked them the night before.

然後我常常會問他們跟前一晚問一樣的問題。

Do you think it's going to go well tonight?

I remember my one friend, Michael Zegan, the actor, is this great actor.

我記得我一個朋友，Michael Zegan，一位演員，他是一位很棒的演員。

We would be backstage every night, and he would just be so sweetly.

我們每晚都會在後臺，他總是溫柔地。

And I said, but you think tonight's gonna go well, too?

我說，但你覺得今晚也會順利嗎？

He's like, yeah, yeah, I told you that two nights ago, too.

他說，對啊，對啊，我前天就跟你說過了。

And so I'm kind of surrounded by sweet people, you know, in my industry, I'm sure, like a lot of industries, but

所以我的行業裡，就像很多行業一樣，我身邊總是圍繞著很棒的人，你知道的，但

in particular, you know, kind of the arts.

特別是，你知道的，藝術這一塊。

It attracts oftentimes empathetic people.

And so it's good for my, you know, personality to be around that, or maybe it enables my personality to get worse.

所以對我的個性來說，能和這樣的人在一起很好，或者也許這讓我的個性變得更糟。

But if somebody were to come to me and said, you know, I'm panicking.

但如果有人來找我說，你知道的，我好焦慮。

I know the 150th is going to be the worst one, you know, of course I would say, how could you possibly think that?

我知道第150場會是最糟的一場，你知道的，我當然會說，你怎麼會這麼想呢？

You have to look at those 149 as evidence, foolproof evidence, that the 150th is going to be exactly the same.

你必須把那149場當作證據，確鑿的證據，證明第150場也會一模一樣。

For something bad to go wrong, it would have to be such an unbelievable fluke because it would have gone wrong before, and

要是有什麼不好的事發生，那得是多麼難以置信的巧合，因為之前就該發生了，而且

it probably would have gone wrong in the beginning, those first 10 performances.

它可能一開始就該發生了，最初那十場演出。

And so it's funny, I am able to both see outside myself and see that kind of what is worrying or rankling me is probably not healthy or totally rational.

所以很有趣的是，我能同時看到自己，也看到那些讓我煩惱或不安的事情，可能並不健康或完全理性。

But when it feels that way, it's hard to not believe it because, you know, feelings are oftentimes so much more powerful than rational thoughts can be.

但當感覺是那樣的時候，真的很難不相信，因為你知道，感受往往比理性思考強大得多。

I've been on movie sets before where I had what I would call, like, legitimate panic attacks, like where your body kind of, you know, sometimes it races and you, you know, kind of feeling like your breath is, you know, racing and your heart's racing and you feel like you're hyperventilating.

我以前在電影片場時，曾有過我會說是真正的恐慌發作，就是你的身體，你知道，有時候會加速，然後你，你知道，感覺你的呼吸，你知道，加速，你的心跳加速，你感覺你在過度換氣。

But I've also had these other kind of weird panic attacks where your body just kind of shuts down.

但我也經歷過那種很奇怪的恐慌發作，就是你的身體會完全關機。

And in Scenes where I was supposed to be, you know, kind of open, I felt closed.

在那些我應該，你知道，有點開放的場景裡，我卻感到封閉。

And that was like its own kind of very scary panic attack.

那就像是一種非常可怕的恐慌發作。

And I was doing a movie called Adventureland where I had a scene.

我當時正在拍一部叫《冒險樂園》的電影，有一個場景。

I was, like, saying goodbye to my parents because I was moving to New York City.

我正在跟我的父母告別，因為我要搬到紐約市。

I have a paycheck waiting for me, and my body just shut down.

我有一份薪水等著我，而我的身體卻完全關機了。

And I went over to the director and I just said, I'm so sorry.

我走到導演面前，跟他說，我真的很抱歉。

And it was this very sweet, wonderful director, Greg Mottola, who every actor who works with him wants to work with him again.

而這位導演 Greg Mottola 非常親切、很棒，所有跟他合作過的演員都想再跟他合作。

他就是個很可愛、很敏感的人。

And he took me aside, he said, oh, take a break, everybody, for five minutes.

他把我拉到一邊，說，好了，大家休息五分鐘。

He took me aside and he said, I just want to let you know that not only do I understand what you're experiencing right now, but

他把我拉到一邊，跟我說，我只想讓你知道，我不僅理解你現在的感受，

I'd be so surprised if you didn't experience it all the time.

如果你不是一直都有這種感覺，我才會覺得很驚訝。

That's kind of emotional, that is demanding, and yet you're also worrying if your hair looks, like.

這有點情緒化，有點辛苦，但你還在擔心你的頭髮看起來是不是…

And so, like, I couldn't understand how anybody would do the job you do.

所以，我真的無法理解怎麼會有人做你那樣的工作。

And I just had this, like, you know, incredibly cathartic experience hearing that advice.

聽到那樣的建議，我感覺非常釋放，非常舒暢。

And I went back and did the scene, and it was great.

然後我回去繼續演那場戲，結果很棒。

The scene was, you know, great because I.

The kind of weight off my shoulders was removed because the expectations I had for myself of being like you, you know, perfect in every moment were just taken away.

我肩上的重擔被卸下了，因為我對自己「要像你一樣，在每個時刻都完美」的期望被消除了。

I just said, oh, yeah, this job that I do does have difficult aspects to it, and

我只是說，喔，對，我做的這份工作確實有困難的地方，而且

I shouldn't try to kind of, let's say, ignore those things.

我不應該試圖，嗯，怎麼說，去忽略那些事情。

I should try to just understand that they're there.

我應該試著去理解它們就在那裡。

They're probably always going to be there and let me just try to embrace them.

它們可能一直都會在那裡，然後讓我就試著去擁抱它們。

And, you know, that applies to any profession because, you know, all professions have unusual quirks, unusual difficulties that, you know, you probably think are pretty difficult to explain to somebody not in that field.

而且，你知道的，這適用於任何職業，因為，你知道的，所有職業都有一些不尋常的怪癖，不尋常的困難，你知道的，你可能會覺得很難向非這個領域的人解釋。

But what I found is what I felt that day on that set was very normal, very common.

但是我發現的是，那天我在那個片場的感覺非常正常，非常普遍。

You know, my cousin is a sports journalist, and

你知道，我的表哥是個體育記者，

he, you know, he panics the day before a deadline, writing about football.

他，你知道的，他在截止日期前一天都會很慌張，寫關於足球的東西。

Again, it's something that I think is totally unrelated to my, you know, experience as an actor in a movie.

再說一次，我認為這跟我當個演員的經驗，完全沒有關係。

And yet we commiserate about that same fear.

然而，我們卻會因為同樣的恐懼而互相安慰。

I do find that when I'm around people who kind of have similar emotional experiences that I do, which is to say kind of self doubt, panic about future things, catastrophizing, otherwise benign experiences.

但我發現的是，當我跟有類似情緒經驗的人在一起時，也就是說，像是自我懷疑、對未來的事情感到焦慮、災難化思考，或是其他本來沒什麼大不了的經歷。

I love being in the position of giving advice, of helping somebody, of calming them down, because it feels wonderful to help somebody.

我喜歡扮演給予建議、幫助別人、讓他們冷靜下來的角色，因為幫助別人感覺很棒。

And then for the selfish reason of you seeing that actually their fears are oftentimes your fear, you know, giving that advice can also, you know, help you be able to receive it the next time.

然後，出於自私的原因，你會發現他們的恐懼常常也是你的恐懼，你知道的，給予建議也能幫助你下次能接受建議。

When I was on the set of my own movie as a director, I was not acting in my first movie.

當我在執導自己電影的片場時，我並沒有演出我的第一部電影。

And he's just the loveliest, most talented young man.

他真的是一位最可愛、最有才華的年輕人。

你知道的，他就像個搖滾巨星。

And so you think, wow, this kid must be so comfortable, must be so cool.

所以你會想，哇，這個小孩一定很自在、很酷。

And yet, like everybody I meet who's very good at their thing, he was panicked the whole time.

然而，就像我遇到的每一個在自己領域很厲害的人一樣，他全程都處於焦慮狀態。