Name: 凱文-奧利裡：愛潑斯坦的焦點是 "棍子上的大便 (Kevin O'Leary: Epstein focus is 'poop on a stick')
Uploaded: 2025-07-22T16:50:17.000Z
Duration: 7 min 59 s

What they care about, look at the American economy right now.

他們關心的是什麼，看看現在的美國經濟。

A lot of people had a lot of mistrust on the tariff issue.

在關稅問題上，很多人都有很多不信任。

Every country on earth wants to cut a deal with America.

世界上每個國家都想與美國達成協議。

The average person at the kitchen table is not worrying about Epstein.

廚房餐桌上的普通人並不擔心愛潑斯坦。

They want to provide for their family, and they are.

他們想養家餬口，他們也確實是這樣做的。

Let me just say, Jerome Powell just announced that he's going to hold off on cutting interest rates again because of the tariffs.

我只想說，傑羅姆-鮑威爾剛剛宣佈，由於關稅問題，他將暫緩再次降息。

And we've already started to see the inflationary pressures.

我們已經開始看到通貨膨脹的壓力。

We have a lot more on the economy later in the show.

稍後我們將為您帶來更多有關經濟的內容。

But just one thing that you said, Kevin, that I think is.

但凱文，你說的一件事我覺得很重要。

I think on the one hand, I think you're right that it's kind of like a niche interest here, this Epstein thing.

一方面，我覺得你說得沒錯，愛潑斯坦的事有點像小眾興趣。

But the niche is Trump's base, people in Trump's base.

但利基市場是特朗普的基本盤，是特朗普基本盤中的人。

But secondly, on the broader picture of what is happening in the country and how do Americans feel about it, CBS YouGov poll asked, how do you think things are going here in this country?

其次，關於美國正在發生的事情以及美國人對此的看法，哥倫比亞廣播公司（CBS）的YouGov民調顯示，你認為美國的情況如何？

61%的人表示非常糟糕或有些糟糕。

That's not exactly a great indictment of the Trump economy.

這並不是對特朗普經濟的最好評價。

And then on top of that, to what I was saying earlier, on the Epstein files, this is what Republicans want. 83% want the files released.

再加上我之前說的 關於愛潑斯坦的文件 這是共和黨人的要求83%的人希望公開這些文件

So I think both of those things is part of why Trump is having a hard time right now.

是以，我認為這兩點是特朗普現在處境艱難的部分原因。

但特朗普的生死取決於他的基礎。

And the base right now is, they're unsteady.

現在的基礎是，他們還不穩定。

I don't understand why he hasn't released the files.

我不明白他為什麼不公佈這些文件。

As he said, it's one of the reasons I believe that they released today the files on Martin Luther King Jr.

正如他所說，這也是我認為他們今天公佈小馬丁-路德-金檔案的原因之一。

Because now he's able to show, hey, look, I told you I was going to release the MLK file, the JFK file, and also the Epstein file.

因為他現在可以說，嘿，聽著，我告訴過你，我會公佈MLK檔案，JFK檔案，還有Epstein檔案。

Personally, I don't think people are going to find Donald in that file as much as they think that they're going to.

我個人認為，人們不會像他們想象的那樣，在那份文件中找到唐納德。

That's just my personal opinion, kind of knowing him for a decade and a half.

這只是我的個人觀點，算是認識他十幾年了吧。

I'm sick and tired of all of the conspiracy theories that are popping up.

我已經厭倦了那些層出不窮的陰謀論。

If you are a detractor, yeah, he's guilty of something.

如果你是一個詆譭者，是的，他有罪。

If you are a supporter, he didn't do anything.

如果你是支持者，那他什麼也沒做。

How about just put the documents in front of the American people, release it, and let us then examine the documents, as we call it in law, documentary evidence.

不如直接把文件擺在美國人民面前，公佈於眾，然後讓我們來審查這些文件，就像我們在法律上所說的，文件證據。

It'll speak for itself instead of listening to all the nonsense.

它自己會說話，而不是聽那些廢話。

I would love for them to release the files.

我很希望他們能公佈這些文件。

However, I care deeply about it because I'm not going to buy this argument that these young girls were raped by what, by what, did they rape themselves?

然而，我對此深表關切，因為我不會相信這種說法，即這些年輕女孩是被什麼強姦的，被什麼強姦的，她們自己強姦了自己嗎？

No, they got raped by people who are in powerful positions.

不，她們被身居要職的人強姦了。

And I want to know how many of those individuals are currently serving in our government in some role or the other.

我想知道其中有多少人目前在我國政府中擔任某種職務。

The average American awake for 18 hours a day, how many minutes do you think they spend worrying about this stuff?

美國人平均每天醒著的時間為 18 小時，你認為他們有多少時間在擔心這些事情？

Maybe they were raped, maybe they weren't.

也許她們被強姦了，也許沒有。

This is not what American families give a damn about.

Just to be clear, we do know that there were victims, so that's not speculative.

明確一點，我們確實知道有受害者，所以這不是推測。

And the thing is, people can compartmentalize, right?

問題是，人們可以分門別類，對嗎？

And the reason why people care about this a lot, not just because of the very real Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking and the crimes that were committed, it is the fact that Donald Trump himself spent years, him and his allies, promised their base, we are going to deliver the Epstein client list that's going to take down all of your Democratic enemies.  Well, yes, bring it, Donald, please.

人們之所以非常關注這件事，不僅僅是因為傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦性交易和犯罪的真實存在，還因為唐納德-特朗普本人花了數年時間，他和他的盟友們向他們的支持者承諾：我們將提供愛潑斯坦的客戶名單，這份名單將打倒所有民主黨的敵人。  好吧，是的，把它，唐納德，請。

But other people do, including people like me who want justice, and I want to know how many of those people are in our government.

但其他人，包括像我這樣希望伸張正義的人，卻這樣做了，我想知道我們的政府中有多少這樣的人。

The poll seems to show something's different than that.

民意調查顯示的情況似乎與此不同。

I mean, look, on the MLK files, I mean, it's interesting because the family did not want this released in this way.

我的意思是，你看，關於MLK的文件，我的意思是，這很有趣，因為家人不希望以這種方式發佈。

And Bernice King, Dr. King's daughter, posted this on X just a little while ago.

不久前，金博士的女兒伯尼斯-金在 X 上發佈了這條消息。

Now do the Epstein files, as she says, with a photo of her father.

如她所說，現在做愛潑斯坦的檔案，裡面有她父親的照片。

Because Trump's argument on the Epstein files is that, oh, you know, people might get hurt by what's in this.

因為特朗普在愛潑斯坦檔案問題上的論點是，哦，你知道，人們可能會因為這裡面的內容而受到傷害。

He didn't seem to be that concerned about that when it came to the MLK files.

當涉及到 MLK 文件時，他似乎並不那麼在意。

No, but Abby, they did warn the family that these things are coming down the pipeline and it's gonna be released tomorrow.

沒有，但艾比，他們確實警告過家人 這些東西會在管道里流出，明天就會被釋放

She is a Trump supporter, but she was pure, like, yeah, transparency all day long, let's go.

她是特朗普的支持者，但她很單純，就像，是啊，整天都很透明，我們走吧。

So, you know, so maybe the family split on this idea that these files are gonna get released.

所以，你知道，也許家庭分裂 這個想法，這些文件會被釋放。

Ultimately, I do want to know, you know, who killed, or, well, we know who killed him.

最終，我確實想知道，你知道，是誰殺了他，或者說，我們知道是誰殺了他。

Listen, I'm not suggesting that it should remain secret forever because there was a date by which this would be released, but the timing of this very moment, I think her implication here is that it is being used as a tool to distract.

聽著，我並不是說這應該永遠保密，因為這本來就有一個公佈的日期，但現在這個時間點，我認為她的言下之意是，這被用作轉移注意力的工具。

Everything in politics is used as a tool.

I mean, we have to be, for example, they turn around and they show this photo of Donald Trump's birthday card to Jeffrey Epstein.

我的意思是，我們必須，例如，他們轉過身來，他們展示這張照片唐納德-特朗普的生日卡傑弗裡-愛潑斯坦。

Again, if you are a Trump supporter, saying, what does it mean?

再說一遍，如果你是特朗普的支持者，說，這意味著什麼？

It has nothing to do with, it's not, there's no evidence, there's no criminality.

If you're a detractor, yeah, this just goes and it shows proof positive that Donald Trump was somehow involved in this thing.

如果你是一個詆譭者，是的，這就是證據，證明唐納德-特朗普以某種方式參與了這件事。

You know, I keep saying, and people get angry at me, oh, why are you taking a knee?

你知道，我一直在說，人們對我很生氣，哦，你為什麼要下跪？

I'm stating a fact that in the decade and a half that I was by the man's side, I never saw him doodle once.

我說的是一個事實，在我陪伴在他身邊的十五年裡，我從沒見他塗鴉過一次。

There are a lot of images that Donald Trump drew and auctioned.

唐納德-特朗普繪製並拍賣的圖片有很多。

None of those were drawn by him, by the way.

順便說一句，這些都不是他畫的。

All right, so that's some news here that he auctioned off photos that he signed as his images that he did not draw.

好吧，這倒是個新聞，他拍賣了他簽名為自己的照片，而這些照片並不是他畫的。

Worst case scenario, all this stuff's true.

最壞的情況是，這些都是真的。