Name: 這是德雷克和肯德里克的較量巴卡里-塞勒斯談特朗普與馬斯克之爭 ('This is Drake and Kendrick': Bakari Sellers on the Trump vs. Musk battle)
Uploaded: 2025-06-20T16:57:47.000Z
Duration: 7 min 55 s

Here's the problem. They both have a point. Trump's agenda is in the bill and he wants to pass it. That's his point.

問題就在這裡。他們都有道理。特朗普的議程在法案中，他想通過法案。這就是他的觀點。

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Musk is not wrong about the national debt and he deeply cares about this and that's his point. So their goals are not mutually exclusive, which is, I think, the rub. And for all these Republicans out here who, like me, have really enjoyed this coalition, this partnership. I mean, I firmly believe that the relationship in the partnership they formed last year saved America and put us on a path to saving Western civilization. And now this puts that in jeopardy, and so it's not just about the daily policy quibbles. It's about the larger cultural things are at play, so I'm going to have some of this tonight and hope for better days and better skies tomorrow because I still love them both. And I hate it when mom and dad are go ahead and take a sip. Bacari. I mean, Elon Musk is calling in his favor.

馬斯克在國債問題上並沒有錯，他也非常關心這個問題，這就是他的觀點。是以，他們的目標並不相互排斥，我認為這就是問題所在。對於在座的共和黨人來說，他們和我一樣，非常享受這種聯盟、這種夥伴關係。我的意思是，我堅信他們去年建立的夥伴關係拯救了美國，使我們走上了拯救西方文明的道路。而現在，這種關係岌岌可危，是以，這不僅僅是日常政策上的爭論。所以我今晚就吃點這個，希望明天的日子和天空會更好，因為我仍然愛他們倆。我討厭爸爸媽媽都喝一口。巴卡里我是說，埃隆-馬斯克在向他示好呢

OK, I mean, I spent $250 million on Donald Trump and he is saying

好吧，我是說，我在唐納德-特朗普身上花了 2.5 億美元，他卻說

I own you. He spent about 300 million and you know, I think

我擁有你他花了大約 3 億美元，你知道，我認為

Scott did the best job you can possibly do of kind of getting yourself in this pretzel and figuring out the relationship between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. I both of them. They just went for broke. I mean, this was this was Drake and Kendrick. I mean that that is what it was. It was nuclear. Drake is a

斯科特做了你能做的最好的工作，讓你自己捲入其中，搞清楚唐納德-特朗普和埃隆-馬斯克之間的關係。他們倆都是他們只是去打破。我的意思是，這是 這是德雷克和肯德里克。我的意思是，這就是它是什麼。這是核。德雷克是個

Toronto Kendrick Lamar's from and they had a beef. We'll talk about it in the commercial. So I mean it was. It was that type of we're going to go for broke. We're going to go at each other's throats. We're going to talk about the Epstein files.

多倫多肯德里克-拉馬爾的家鄉，他們有過節。我們會在廣告裡說的所以我是說就是那種我們要大幹一場的類型。我們要去對方的喉嚨。我們要談談愛潑斯坦的檔案

We're going to cut your subsidies. But I also don't want Democrats to get too excited. I mean, I think that you see people online and you see people in social media that are like saying Oh my God, this is the end of Donald Trump. This is the same person whose father was sued because he didn't rent a contractors. This is the same person who has five kids by three baby mamas. This is the same person in the list goes on and on and on. Donald Trump has control over his base. Elon Musk is going to learn that the extent of his power is not what he thinks it is. Donald Trump wins this battle versus Elon

我們要削減你們的補貼。但我也不希望民主黨人過於興奮。我的意思是，我認為你在網上和社交媒體上看到的人都在說，天哪，這就是唐納德-特朗普的末日。就是這樣一個人，他的父親因為沒有租到承包商而被起訴。就是這個人，有三個 "小媽 "的五個孩子。就是這樣一個人，這樣一個人，這樣一個人......不勝枚舉。唐納德-特朗普控制了他的基礎。埃隆-馬斯克將認識到，他的權力並不像他想象的那樣大。唐納德-特朗普在與埃隆-馬斯克的較量中獲勝

Musk. This is just reality TV and I think people need to get over. Well, I mean he dropped some nuclear bombs today. He accused him of being in the Epstein files. He said that JD

馬斯克這只是真人秀，我覺得人們應該忘掉它。他今天扔了幾顆核彈 Well, I mean he dropped some nuclear bombs today.他指控他在愛潑斯坦的檔案裡他說 JD

Vance should take over. Trump should be impeached and JD Vance should take over. I mean, Elon is going for broke here.

萬斯應該接手。特朗普應該被彈劾，JD-萬斯應該接手。我的意思是，埃隆這是要破釜沉舟了。

So if Elon Musk, if Donald Trump, if the president was in the Epstein files, I think we can all agree they probably would have come out there in the Biden administration. No, but you do realize he's in Epstein files. Well, in a way that in a way that you know, in a way that Elon Musk is characterizing it, right? But he said, but you do realize he's in the Epstein files. He's throwing the guy out of Mar-a-Lago like years ago through the- But can you say that yes, Donald Trump had a relationship- I haven't seen the Epstein files. But you know the logs. I've seen the logs. You know he's on the logs. Might be on the logs, but- Well, the broader issue is that conservatives have been- Who cares? The reason Elon went there, the reason Elon went there is because he knows the conservatives are pissed about this and want them released. And he's saying this is the reason that they have not been released even though Trump promised- I don't buy it. I don't buy it. I think if there was something material in there that related to the president, I think Joe Biden would have released in the last administration. But we'll see. Maybe they'll come out and we'll find out. I don't know. I don't think any of us know. We know the logs. Well, you don't know what's in it. No, we know the logs. But we know what's in it. So moving on. What are you talking about? You want to go one step further. Let's talk a little bit about pork. What you just said is not factually accurate. You two argue about logs, by the way, is like the weirdest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Can we just move on? Yeah, we're just moving on. So I firmly believe if there was something down there, it would have come out. Let's talk a little bit about pork, right? Elon Musk talks about the pork in this bill. Until it comes to the pork that Elon

如果埃隆-馬斯克 唐納德-特朗普 總統也在愛潑斯坦的檔案裡 我想我們都同意 他們可能會在拜登政府時曝光不，但你知道 他在愛潑斯坦的文件。好吧，在某種程度上，你知道， 在某種程度上，埃隆・馬斯克 是表徵它，對不對？但他說，但你知道 他在愛潑斯坦的文件。他把這個傢伙趕出了馬 - A -拉戈，就像幾年前通過 - 但你能說，是的，唐納德・特朗普有關係 - 我沒有看到愛潑斯坦的文件。但你知道的日誌。我見過的日誌。你知道他的日誌上。可能是在日誌上，但 - 好了，更廣泛的問題是 保守派一直 - 誰在乎呢？埃隆去那裡的原

Musk cares about, the EV subsidies, right? So there's a lot going on here. The EV subsidies, his guy didn't end up running NASA. There's a lot of bad blood here. And I think a lot of this is just petty fighting. I think you're right.

馬斯克關心的是電動汽車補貼，對吧？所以這裡發生了很多事電動汽車補貼，他的人最終沒能掌管宇航局。 The EV subsidies, his guy didn't end up running NASA.這裡面有很多不愉快我覺得很多都是小打小鬧你說得對

It's a lot of drama, a lot of petty fighting. But I think he's upset because he's not really getting what he wants. He can talk all he wants about the pork in the bill and how it's going to increase the debt and all of those fun things. But at the end of the day, if it were the EV sitting in there, what would

鬧劇不斷，小打小鬧。但我認為他不高興 是因為他沒有得到他想要的東西他可以大談特談法案中的豬肉問題 以及如何增加債務之類的趣事但最後，如果是電動車坐在那裡，會怎樣呢？

Israel, if the EV subsidies haven't been taken out that the

以色列，如果電動汽車補貼沒有被取消，那麼

Biden administration put in, what reaction would he have today? It is a good question. I think there are a lot of facets to it. But let me, speaking of that, OK, the government being so embroiled in Elon Musk's businesses, here's what Steve

如果拜登政府上臺，他今天會有什麼反應？這是個好問題。我認為這涉及到很多方面。但讓我來談談，政府如此介入埃隆-馬斯克的企業，史蒂夫是這樣說的

Bannon, a Trump ally, had to say. And Steve Bannon and Elon

特朗普的盟友班農不得不說。史蒂夫-班農和埃隆

Musk do not get along, just in case you weren't aware of that.

馬斯克不合群，你可能還不知道。

Just pour the gasoline on. I mean, it would be funny if it weren't something that, I mean, in this world, Trump would consider, perhaps. Right. And I think what we've seen tonight is that neither of these men are rational actors. This is a bunch of very petty fighting, except the stakes are a lot higher than some middle school argument. Elon Musk has essentially held the country hostage, forced American taxpayers to be his employees against their will, except, just like his normal employees, they also can't unionize. And it's just watching this complete meltdown of the most powerful and the richest man in the world over Twitter and truth social and subtweeting and accusing each other of all these things. It's just unbelievably immature. We have babies at the highest level of government. I do think, I mean, it is a good question. Like, honestly, if there were women doing this, we'd be hysterical. What would be being said about this back and forth, for real? Yeah. It'd be a sitcom. A terrible one. Yeah. But it's not just a, it's not just a, I mean, we've gone through this. I mean, look, the scandal, Fox

澆上汽油就可以了。我的意思是，如果這不是什麼有趣的事情，我的意思是，在這個世界上，特朗普會考慮，也許。沒錯我認為今晚我們看到的是 這兩個人都不是理性的人這就是一堆小打小鬧的爭吵 只不過其利害關係要比中學裡的爭吵高得多埃隆-馬斯克實質上挾持了這個國家，強迫美國納稅人違背自己的意願成為他的員工，只不過，就像他的普通員工一樣，他們也不能組織工會。看著這個世界上最有權勢和最富有的人在推特和真相社交平臺上徹底崩潰，在推特下互相指責對方的所作所為。真是難以置信的不成熟。我們的政府最高層都是嬰兒。我認為，這是個好問題。

News covered Barack Obama's selfie stick and tan suit to exhaustion. But here we have the richest man in the world who actually was able to rummage through just the most important files that we have in federal government, access to whatever he wanted. We're talking about, I mean, Steve Bannon brought up a good point. Elon Musk has a security clearance right now.

新聞報道了奧巴馬的自拍杆和晒黑的西裝，讓人疲憊不堪。但在這裡，我們有世界上最富有的人 誰實際上是能夠翻找 只是最重要的文件，我們有 在聯邦政府，訪問任何他想要的。我們在談論 史蒂夫-班農提出了一個很好的觀點埃隆-馬斯克現在有安全許可。

Not only that, but he has government contracts and subsidies. I mean, we're talking about someone who has unfettered access to our American government, bickering with the president of the United States. And a lot of people are laughing about it. And yes, I just think that American, the American people get caught in between. And the problem, the biggest problem I have, which is why I'm a Debbie Downer right now and not just pouring fire on this, is Democrats aren't suited for this moment. And we are not in a position, I mean, we're not even, you're not going to even run a clip from Akeem Jeffries.

不僅如此，他還有政府合同和補貼。我的意思是，我們談論的是一個可以不受限制地進入美國政府的人，和美國總統爭吵。很多人都在嘲笑他。是的，我只是覺得美國人，美國人民被夾在中間。問題是，我最大的問題是，民主黨人並不適合這個時刻，這也是為什麼我現在是個黛比-唐納（Debbie Downer），而不是一味火上澆油。民主黨人並不適合這個時刻 我們的處境並不有利 我是說 我們甚至都沒有 你甚至都不會播放阿基姆・傑弗里斯的片段

You're not going to run a clip from Chuck Schumer. We will talk in one of the segments. I need to start reading my briefs about, about what Democrats should do next. But, but I mean, to your point, shouldn't they just sit back and just let the chaos unfold? Can I hop in here? Yeah, go ahead. I mean,

你們不會播出查克-舒默的片段。我們會在其中一個環節討論的我得開始看我的簡報了 關於民主黨下一步該怎麼做但是，但是我的意思是，你的意思是，他們不應該只是坐下來，只是讓混亂展開？我能進來嗎？可以，說吧我是說

I'm not sure if y'all saw that headline about Democrats maybe seeing Elon Musk as an ally, and he obviously isn't one. He's abused all of us. He's used our government to make himself richer and have unfettered access to our most sensitive records. And he's, he's not an ally to anyone, and certainly not to Democrats.

我不知道你們是否都看到了關於民主黨人可能將埃隆-馬斯克視為盟友的頭條新聞，他顯然不是盟友。他虐待了我們所有人。他利用我們的政府讓自己變得更富有，並能不受限制地獲取我們最敏感的記錄。他不是任何人的盟友，當然也不是民主黨人的盟友。

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這是德雷克和肯德里克的較量巴卡里-塞勒斯談特朗普與馬斯克之爭 ('This is Drake and Kendrick': Bakari Sellers on the Trump vs. Musk battle)

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