Name: 加拿大與美國的關係將一去不復返"：加拿大總理談關稅 ('The relationship between Canada and the US will never be the same’: Canadian FM on tariffs)
Uploaded: 2025-06-17T17:05:29.000Z
Duration: 10 min 59 s

With us now, the Canadian Foreign Minister, Melanie Jolie.

我們現在請到的是加拿大外交部長梅拉妮-茱莉。

So, Minister Jolie, where do negotiations stand right now between Canada and the United States?

那麼，朱莉部長，加拿大和美國之間的談判目前進展如何？

Are you talking with the Trump administration?

Is there any hope for a last minute reprieve?

還有希望在最後一刻緩一緩嗎？

Well, at this point, there's no on, how can I say, there are ongoing discussions, but there's no ongoing negotiation.

嗯，目前還沒有，怎麼說呢，有正在進行的討論，但沒有正在進行的談判。

I was at NATO last week, saw Marco Rubio, Secretary of State had some constructive conversations, but at the same time, we're still under tariffs for steel and aluminum.

我上週參加了北約會議，看到國務卿馬可-盧比奧（Marco Rubio）進行了一些建設性的對話，但與此同時，我們仍在徵收鋼鋁關稅。

We're still under tariffs because of also the auto sector.

由於汽車行業的原因，我們仍被徵收關稅。

We just, as you mentioned, Jake, we just imposed a new tariffs for all non-USMCA compliant cars coming to Canada.

正如你提到的，傑克，我們剛剛對所有進入加拿大的非美國汽車製造商協會（USMCA）標準汽車徵收了新的關稅。

And also what we're under is that 25% tariff based on fentanyl crossing the Canadian border going into the US.

此外，我們還對從加拿大邊境進入美國的芬太尼徵收 25% 的關稅。

Well, we know that actually there's less than all of the fentanyl, less than 1% of all fentanyl going into the US that comes from Canada.

我們知道，實際上從加拿大流入美國的芬太尼不到全部芬太尼的1%。

So we're active, we know that tariffs are a tax on hardworking Americans.

是以，我們很積極，我們知道關稅是對辛勤工作的美國人徵收的稅。

We know that it is a tax on Americans' grocery bill.

我們知道，這是對美國人的食品雜費徵稅。

It is a tax when also Americans go at the gas pump.

And more than that, what we're seeing now, it is also just a double whammy because not only is it a tax, not only will people pay more, but at the same time, they're losing more because markets are in turmoil and people are losing money for their retirement.

不僅如此，我們現在看到的情況也是雙重打擊，因為這不僅是一種稅收，不僅人們要支付更多的錢，同時，他們的損失也更大，因為市場正處於動盪之中，人們的養老金正在減少。

So nobody's winning out of this trade war.

是以，這場貿易戰誰也贏不了。

And the first impacted are those watching us right now, the hardworking American people.

首先受到影響的是正在收看我們節目的觀眾，他們是勤勞的美國人民。

So today, a journalist asked White House press secretary, Caroline Levin, about the timing of any tariff negotiations.

是以，今天有記者向白宮新聞祕書卡羅琳-萊文詢問關稅談判的時機。

Is the president operating on any sort of a timeline or deadline where he wants this completed by?

總統是否有時間表或最後期限？

Well, we always move at Trump's speed here at the White House, which is incredibly fast.

在白宮，我們總是以特朗普的速度行事，快得令人難以置信。

All options are on the table for each country.

But again, these are going to be tailor-made deals.

但同樣，這些都將是量身定製的交易。

They are not gonna be off-the-rack deals as the president has called it.

它們不會像總統所說的那樣是現成的交易。

So she says that they're moving at Trump's speed.

所以她說，他們正在以特朗普的速度前進。

Is it possible that there will be speedy trade negotiations?

是否有可能迅速開展貿易談判？

所以，我們現在正處於競選活動中。

加拿大的選舉將於 4 月 28 日舉行。

The prime minister, Prime Minister Carney and President Trump had had a first phone call.

首相卡尼和特朗普總統進行了首次通話。

We said that we would be ready to negotiate after the election, which are basically less than three weeks.

我們說過，我們將在選舉後準備好談判，而現在基本上還不到三週。

At the same time, we wanna make sure that we can negotiate not only on trade, but also on security.

同時，我們要確保我們不僅能就貿易問題進行談判，還能就安全問題進行談判。

But at the end of the day, what we know, Jake, is the relationship between Canada and the US will never be the same.

但歸根結底，我們知道，傑克，加拿大和美國之間的關係將一去不復返。

This trade war was launched out of nowhere against your best ally, friend and neighbor.

這場貿易戰是針對你們最好的盟友、朋友和鄰居突然發起的。

And we want to make sure that we can be constructive, but we're not naive neither.

我們希望確保我們能夠具有建設性，但我們也不天真。

We know we have to protect our own jobs and our own economy.

我們知道，我們必須保護我們自己的工作和經濟。

And of course, meanwhile, we're talking to the world.

當然，與此同時，我們也在與世界對話。

And the world is reacting in different ways.

Canada is leading the charge in terms of our own response, making sure that we have counter tariffs against American products.

加拿大正帶頭採取應對措施，確保對美國產品徵收反關稅。

But at the end of the day, like I mentioned, the American people are the ones that are most affected.

但歸根結底，就像我提到的，受影響最大的還是美國人民。

So my message also to those watching us, Jake, right now is please talk to your Congress people.

所以，傑克，我現在也要告訴那些正在收看我們節目的人，請和你們的國會議員談談。

Talk to people in power because they all need to send a clear message to the White House that that's enough.

與當權者交談，因為他們都需要向白宮發出一個明確的資訊：這就夠了。

Canadian Foreign Minister, Melanie Jolie, thank you so much for being on CNN's.

加拿大外長梅拉妮-茱莉，非常感謝您做客CNN。

Ivan Watson is in Hong Kong for us and CNN's Jeff Zeleny is at the White House.

伊萬-沃森（Ivan Watson）在香港為我們報道，CNN記者傑夫-澤萊尼（Jeff Zeleny）在白宮為我們報道。

Jeff, there are more developments in this Elon Musk versus Peter Navarro public spat, but first tell us what the White House is saying ahead of these global tariffs set to go into effect this evening.

傑夫，埃隆-馬斯克（Elon Musk）與彼得-納瓦羅（Peter Navarro）的公開爭吵有了更多進展，但首先請告訴我們，在全球關稅今晚生效之前，白宮在說些什麼。

Well, Jake, just a few minutes to go here in the East Room of the White House.

傑克，還有幾分鐘就要到白宮東廳了。

The president defended his tariff policy once again, and he talked about the open door negotiations that many countries now are having.

總統再次為他的關稅政策辯護，他談到了許多國家現在正在進行的開放式談判。

He said, flying here to Washington to negotiate anew with the White House.

他說，他正飛往華盛頓與白宮重新談判。

He said, sometimes you have to mix it up a little bit, but there is no question here that this is one of the most severe effects we've seen on the economy just six days after announcing that plan.

他說："有時你必須把它混合起來一點，但毫無疑問，這是我們在宣佈該計劃僅僅六天後看到的對經濟最嚴重的影響之一。

But just a few moments ago in the East Room, he defended his tariff proposals.

但就在剛才，他在東廳為自己的關稅提案辯護。

We're doing very well in making, I call them tailored deals, not off the rack.

我們做得很好，我稱之為量身定製的交易，而不是現成的。

These are tailored, highly tailored deals.

這些都是量身定做的、高度定製的交易。

Right now, Japan is flying here to make a deal.

現在，日本正飛來這裡做交易。

South Korea is flying here to make a deal, and others are flying here.

韓國飛到這裡來做交易，其他國家也飛到這裡來。

Sometimes you have to mix it up a little bit.

That's also the view on Wall Street, but in a very different way.

這也是華爾街的觀點，但方式截然不同。

The president not acknowledging the deep losses again today in the financial markets.

總統沒有承認今天金融市場再次出現嚴重虧損。

He's also not weighing in in the ongoing spat between his top advisers, which Elon must continue this afternoon.

他也沒有介入他的高級顧問之間正在進行的爭論，伊隆必須在今天下午繼續這場爭論。

Of course, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said earlier, boys will be boys.

當然，白宮新聞祕書卡羅琳-利維特早些時候說過，男孩就是男孩。

But Elon must continue that, saying this, Jake, I'd like to apologize to all the BRICS for calling Peter a sack of BRICS earlier.

但埃隆必須繼續這樣說，他說："傑克，我想向所有金磚國家道歉，因為我之前說彼得是金磚國家的麻袋。

這對那些金磚國家是不公平的。

So clearly, going back and forth, Navarro, the top trade advisor here, not responding to Elon Musk.

所以很明顯，來來回回，納瓦羅這位最高貿易顧問並沒有迴應埃隆-馬斯克。

Yeah, and using a slur for the intellectually disabled.

是啊，還用蔑稱來形容智障人士。

Ivan, 104% tariffs are set to go into effect on China at midnight.

伊萬，104% 的關稅將於午夜對中國生效。

The White House says China wants to make a deal, but they don't know how to get it started.

白宮表示，中國希望達成協議，但他們不知道如何開始。

What is the government of China saying, and how will these massive tariffs impact the overall trade war?

中國政府在說什麼，這些大規模關稅會對整個貿易戰產生什麼影響？

Right, well, the Chinese are not backing down right now.

沒錯，中國人現在並沒有退縮。

They are accusing the U.S. of abusing these tariffs, saying this smacks of unilateralism and protectionism.

他們指責美國濫用這些關稅，稱這有單邊主義和保護主義之嫌。

They say they do not see signs that the Trump administration wants to talk or wants to have a genuine dialogue.

他們說，他們沒有看到特朗普政府想談或想進行真正對話的跡象。

And the spokesperson for the foreign ministry in Beijing on Tuesday said that China would fight to the end in a trade war that it says it does not want.

北京外交部發言人週二表示，中國將在這場貿易戰中戰鬥到底，而中國稱自己並不想打貿易戰。

Pressure, threats, and blackmail are not the right ways to engage with China.

施壓、威脅和訛詐都不是與中國交往的正確方式。

If the U.S. disregards the interests of both countries and the international community insists on launching a tariff or trade war, China will fight to the end.

如果美國不顧中美兩國利益，國際社會執意發動關稅戰或貿易戰，中國將抗爭到底。

Right, so no signs at all of backing down.

Of course, China has a trade surplus with the U.S.

當然，中國對美國有貿易順差。

It has about six, last year it had about $582 billion worth of exports to the U.S., which dwarfs the U.S. imports to China, and that gets to the crux of what President Trump is so angry about.

去年，中國對美國的出口額約為5820億美元，與美國對中國的進口額相比相形見絀。

So China does stand to potentially lose more trade here.

是以，中國確實有可能在這方面遭受更多的貿易損失。

When President Trump first announced the tariffs last week, China waited till Friday, a national holiday, the tomb-sweeping holiday, to announce that it would match his 34% tariffs.

上週特朗普總統首次宣佈徵收關稅時，中國等到週五國慶節掃墓假期才宣佈將配合特朗普總統徵收 34% 的關稅。

We have yet to hear how it would respond to him doubling those, in effect.

我們還沒有聽說，如果他把這些加倍，實際上會有什麼反應。

Chinese state media has suggested some of the potential measures that it could take, which is to further tariff U.S. agricultural products, soy and beans and sorghum, which are imported in large amounts, pausing cooperation on fentanyl, restricting U.S. films going to Chinese cinemas, and creating further barriers to services.

中國國家媒體提出了中國可能採取的一些措施，包括進一步對大量進口的美國農產品、大豆和高粱徵收關稅，暫停芬太尼方面的合作，限制美國電影進入中國影院，以及進一步設置服務壁壘。

Those are some of the measures that could potentially move forward.

這些都是有可能推進的一些措施。

The Chinese have also been saying that they've had eight years to prepare for this.

中國人也一直在說，他們已經為此準備了八年。

A final thing here, as both countries are preparing to weather this trade war and storm, is that there is a nationalist response.

在兩國都準備應對這場貿易戰和風暴之際，最後一點就是民族主義的反應。

Vance, repeatedly referred to Chinese peasants, in his words, producing these imports.

萬斯多次提到，用他的話說，中國農民生產這些進口產品。

That has been viewed many times on Chinese social media with a lot of outrage, and the Foreign Ministry responded to that, calling his remarks ignorant and impolite, referring again to Chinese as peasants.

這句話在中國社交媒體上多次出現，引起了很多人的憤慨，外交部對此做出迴應，稱他的言論無知、無禮，再次把中國人稱為農民。

CNN's Vanessa Yurkovich is at a New York City grocery store.

CNN 的 Vanessa Yurkovich 正在紐約的一家雜貨店採訪。

What are some of the products that will be immediately impacted by tariffs, and how are local businesses, stores like the one you're in, preparing?

有哪些產品會立即受到關稅的影響，在地企業（比如您所在的商店）又是如何準備的？

Yeah, the grocery store is the place where Americans are likely to feel these higher tariffs and these price increases first.

是的，雜貨店是美國人可能最先感受到關稅提高和價格上漲的地方。