Name: 美國媒體報道邁克-瓦爾茲將離開國家安全顧問職位 | BBC News (Mike Waltz to leave national security adviser role, US media reports | BBC News)
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but I want to return to the breaking news coming out of Washington that the National Security Advisor Mike Waltz and his deputy are reported to be leaving their posts.

但我想回到華盛頓傳來的爆炸性新聞，據報道，國家安全顧問邁克-華爾茲和他的副手將離職。

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There you see it on the screen CBS our partner in America reporting that in terms of sources talking to them and let's speak to Tom Bateman our State Department correspondent and Tom let me start by asking you about this breaking news we'll come to that resources deal a little later but these are the first casualties of this Trump administration for people who perhaps don't know some of the background just remind people about that whole huge controversy around the signal chat group yeah absolutely and first of all to let you know that the White House being asked about this as you would imagine at the moment saying that it won't comment on reports from anonymous sources but as you say our colleagues at CBS quoting several sources saying that Mike Waltz and Alex Wong will leave their positions today and as you say that would be a highly significant moment the first to leave their posts in any senior official position in this second Trump administration now as for Mike Waltz it's it's interesting that we've heard a lot less from him publicly he's been a lot less publicly visible over the last few weeks having gone from a position of really high visibility in the administration I mean I remember being in the room as a group of journalists interviewed him and Marco Rubio the Secretary of State in Saudi Arabia when the administration had just met the Russians the first meeting between the minister of the US administration and the Russians in quite a significant amount of time so he was at the highest profile levels of foreign policy for the administration and then we had March which was that signal chat that was set up by Mike Waltz the National Security Advisor included several high-level officials in that and others working for them and he had mistakenly included Jeffrey Goldberg the editor of the Atlantic magazine who then broke the story about how this signal chat had been set up in which Pete Hegseth the Defense Secretary shared what the administration denied was classified information but was clearly attack plans for the bombing of Houthi positions in Yemen but not only that row about classified information being used on a commercial chat application at the most senior levels of the US administration but also sort of deeply embarrassing internal discussions between the members of the administration about first of all whether they wanted to go ahead with this plan to bomb the Houthis because some members of the administration particularly J.D.

你在螢幕上看到的是CBS，我們在美國的合作伙伴報道了消息人士的談話，讓我們採訪國務院記者湯姆-貝特曼（Tom Bateman），湯姆，讓我先問你關於這個爆炸性新聞，我們稍後再談資源交易，但這些是特朗普政府的第一批傷亡，對於那些可能不知道一些背景的人來說，這只是提醒人們注意圍繞信號哈拉組的整個巨大爭議。首先要告訴大家的是，白宮在被問及此事時表示，不會對匿名消息來源的報道發表評論，但正如你所說，哥倫比亞廣播公司（CBS）的同事援引多位消息人士的話稱，邁克-華爾茲（Mike Waltz）和亞歷克斯-王（Alex

Vance the vice president and Pete Hegseth the Defense Secretary had been concerned about whether or not they were bailing out the Europeans getting access through the Suez Canal for trade routes that they argued were more beneficial to the Europeans than them and you saw this discussion between J.D.

副總統萬斯和國防部長皮特-黑格塞斯一直擔心 他們是否在幫助歐洲人通過蘇伊士運河獲得貿易通道 他們認為這對歐洲人比對他們更有利

Vance and Pete Hegseth the Defense Secretary where the Europeans were described as pathetic as freeloaders and that there was a disdain for doing anything that would help the Europeans but a sense that they would sort of be asked to pay for it later so it had significant diplomatic and geopolitical consequences in the aftermath of that the question started to emerge about whether Mike Waltz's position was tenable.

萬斯和國防部長皮特-黑格塞斯（Pete Hegseth）將歐洲人形容為可悲的 "白吃白喝者"，他們不屑於做任何能幫助歐洲人的事，但又覺得他們以後會被要求為此付出代價，是以這產生了重大的外交和地緣政治後果，在此之後，人們開始質疑邁克-華爾茲的立場是否站得住腳。

Donald Trump had come to his defense described him as a good man when he was asked about it seemed to sort of brush it away and dismiss it but totally behind the scenes I think the president was asking a lot of questions about it.

唐納德-特朗普（Donald Trump）曾為他辯護，稱他是個好人，當他被問及此事時，似乎有點拂袖而去，不予理會，但我認為總統在幕後問了很多關於此事的問題。

Tom I just break in because we're looking at pictures of J.D.

湯姆，我只是闖進來，因為我們在看J. D. 的照片。

Vance at the Andrews Air Base and he was heading towards the cameras but now he's clambered aboard the steps to the aircraft he's on the phone and I thought he might be a question or two might be shouted at him but he hasn't been.

萬斯在安德魯斯空軍基地 他正走向攝影機 但現在他爬上了通往飛機的臺階 他在打電話 我以為他會被問一兩個問題 但他沒有

Tom I'll come back to you in a second but I want to actually just bring in Bernd de Boosman who is there at the White House for us he's actually on the phone and Bernd, Tom was just saying questions are being asked there at the White House about this breaking development what are they saying officially?

湯姆，我馬上回來跟你說，但我想請在白宮的伯恩德-德-布斯曼（Bernd de Boosman）接電話，伯恩德，湯姆剛才說，白宮方面正在就這一重大進展提出問題，他們的官方說法是什麼？

Well officially they're not commenting on anonymous reporting which has kind of become a standard line when there's reports from anonymous sources in US media now the behind closed doors the perception is that something of this magnitude will almost certainly come from the mouth of the president himself so all the all eyes and ears will be on President Trump he has an event coming up just in a few minutes a prayer event here at the White House and then later today he's scheduled to fly to Alabama to give a commencement speech at a university and there'll be a lot of questions being asked about him but really at the moment the White House is being very very quiet about this late breaking development.

官方對匿名報道不予置評 這已成為美國媒體報道匿名消息來源時的標準口徑 但在閉門造車之後幾分鐘後，特朗普將在白宮舉行一場祈禱活動，然後今天晚些時候，他將飛往阿拉巴馬州，在一所大學發表畢業演講，屆時會有很多關於他的問題被問及，但目前白宮對這一突發事件保持沉默。

Was there a sense there amongst reporters amongst the media that this was on the cards because there was just an enormous amount of scrutiny an enormous amount of calls for a sacking at the time but then it went quiet and now this development but had reporters seen it coming or is this a surprise?

記者和媒體是否感覺到這是板上釘釘的事，因為當時有大量的審查，大量的要求解僱的呼聲，但後來又歸於平靜，現在又有了這樣的發展，但記者們是否預見到了這一點，或者這是否是個意外？

I think most reporters here at the White House wouldn't be surprised if this is confirmed to be the case particularly after Signal Gate Mr. Walsh kind of seemed to to disappear prior to that he he was kind of a very frequent fixture here outside the White House he would often give early morning interviews to the television network before coming to address to address the reporters who are who are here at the time on this happened several times a week but after Signal Gate which ultimately I think it's something that many observers here blamed him for adding Jeffrey Goldberg to the signals chat that was later publicized he was kind of seen as being as the man responsible for that and then he became kind of a much quieter presence at the White House he would be at the event such as yesterday's cabinet meeting but we would rarely hear from him in media interviews after that took place.

我想大多數在白宮的記者都不會感到驚訝，尤其是在 "信號門 "事件之後。在那之前，沃爾什先生似乎消失了 他是白宮外的常客，經常在清晨接受電視採訪許多觀察家指責他把傑弗裡-戈德堡加入了信號聊天室 後來這件事被公之於眾 他被認為是這件事的罪魁禍首 然後他在白宮就變得安靜多了

Tom in terms of the choreography of this why wasn't he fired pretty much immediately?

Well that was a question that President Trump had been asked from the outset about this because such was the concern about the use of a commercial messaging chat app to discuss what were clearly although the administration denied it classified attack plans the way in which it was set up with a whole series of individuals on the group including the sort of aides to senior officials you know the question was kind of immediately asked about this appeared to be a kind of resignable or resigning offense because of what had taken place but I think it was pretty clear that President Trump was perhaps waiting this out to see if the clamor died down and how survivable perhaps Mike Waltz's was in his position.

特朗普總統從一開始就被問到了這個問題 因為人們對使用商業信息哈拉軟件 討論機密攻擊計劃非常關注但我認為很明顯，特朗普總統可能是在等待事態平息，以及邁克-華爾茲在其職位上的生存能力。

The timing of course why now this late into the into the situation is I think a second question about what has happened since then and actually at the moment that we've seen one of the highest profile foreign policy announcements that the administration has wanted to champion because they have just signed that minerals deal with the Ukrainians that's something Donald Trump been pressing for weeks it led to that row in the Oval Office the sort of humiliating attack on President Zelensky by President Trump and the the Vice President JD Vance at that moment so actually now was a moment where they've really been sort of hailing and championing what they see as a big success in foreign policy a big moment for them about the signing of this deal so whether there's a connection between the way these things are being choreographed I think another question we'll have to wait to see exactly what President Trump says and of course we get a word from Mike Waltz himself.

當然，為什麼現在到了這個時候，我認為第二個問題是，從那時起發生了什麼？ 實際上，在這個時候，我們已經看到了政府想要倡導的最高規格的外交政策聲明之一，因為他們剛剛與烏克蘭人簽署了礦產協議，這是唐納德-特朗普幾周來一直在推動的事情，這導致了橢圓形辦公室的那場爭吵。特朗普總統和副總統JD Vance當時對Zelensky總統進行了羞辱性的攻擊 所以實際上現在是他們歡呼和擁護他們認為在外交政策上取得巨大成功的時刻 對他們來說是簽署協議的重要時刻

Tom we will leave it there thanks very much for taking us through just the early analysis of that breaking story and Bernd to thank you there from the White and as Bernd was saying President Trump due at a live event a prayer event I think he described it as in the next few minutes and as both our correspondents were saying news like this would you would expect come from the president itself in terms of confirmation so perhaps we might get that in the coming minutes we'll keep an eye on that live event that the president is doing

湯姆，我們就到這裡，非常感謝你帶我們瀏覽了這一突發事件的早期分析，貝恩德感謝你從白宮發來的消息，正如貝恩德所說，特朗普總統將出席一個現場活動，我想他將其描述為在接下來的幾分鐘內舉行的祈禱活動，正如我們的兩位記者所說，像這樣的消息你會期待來自總統本身的確認，所以也許我們可能會在接下來的幾分鐘內得到這個消息，我們將密切關注總統正在進行的現場活動。