Name: 參議員蘭福德：「美國贏得伊朗戰爭，但仍有工作待完成」：完整專訪 (Sen. Lankford says U.S. is winning Iran war but ‘there’s still work to be done’: Full interview)
Uploaded: 2026-03-29T23:11:20.000Z
Duration: 15 min 26 s

And joining me now is Republican Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma.

奧克拉荷馬州的 Republican Senator James Lankford 現在加入我們的行列。

Senator Lankford, welcome back to Meet the Press.

Lankford 參議員，歡迎您再次回到 Meet the Press。

祝您有個愉快的棕枝主日早晨。

祝您也有個愉快的棕枝主日早晨。

I want to start off by talking about the war with Iran.

Senator President Trump continues to insist that the United States is winning.

川普總統持續堅持美國正在獲勝。

Take a listen to a little bit of what he had to say this week.

讓我們來聽聽他這週說了些什麼。

You know, you never like to say too early you won.

你知道，你總是不喜歡太早說你贏了。

We won the bet in the first hour it was over, but we won.

我們在開戰一小時內就贏了賭注，但我們就是贏了。

We've knocked out their Navy, their Air Force.

我們已經擊潰了他們的**海軍**、他們的**空軍**。

我們已經擊潰了他們的**防空**。

Senator Lankford, do you agree with President Trump that the United States has, in fact, won the war?

Lankford參議員，您同意**川普總統**說**美國**已經贏得這場戰爭了嗎？

The major features of this was to be able to stop their production of ballistic missiles, of one-way attack drones, to be able to take out their capability to attack Americans and our allies in the region, to be able to stop their nuclear program development, to be able to halt that, and

這場戰爭的主要目標，就是要能夠停止他們生產彈道飛彈、單程攻擊無人機，能夠摧毀他們攻擊美國人及區域內盟友的能力，能夠停止他們的核子計畫發展，能夠停止這一切，

then to be able to try to take down their Navy so that they can't endlessly shut down the Strait of Hormuz over and over again.

然後試圖摧毀他們的海軍，讓他們無法一再無限期關閉荷莫茲海峽。

Obviously, there is still work to be done.

But if you want to talk about the military objectives, just about every one of those objectives have been hit and have been hit early.

但如果我們要談論軍事目標，幾乎每一個目標都已經達成，而且是提早達成。

Well, let's unpack that a little bit, and

let's start with the regime that is in power, because, of course, the Supreme Leader was killed.

讓我們從掌權的政權開始談起，因為，當然，最高領袖已經被擊斃了。

And arguably more hardline than his father even was.

而且可以說，比他父親還要強硬。

Is it a victory for the U.S. if the war ends with this regime still in power, Senator?

參議員，如果戰爭以這個政權仍然掌權結束，這算是美國的獲勝嗎？

Well, to be clear, we've yet to see the new Supreme Leader anywhere in public or to make any kind of public statement, so we're not sure 100% about that yet.

嗯，要說清楚一點，我們還沒在公開場合見過新任最高領袖，也沒聽到他發表任何公開聲明，所以我們還不能百分之百確定。

But the administration's focus has been very clear.

不過，政府的重點一直都很清楚。

This has been about taking out their nuclear program, stopping their terrorism, their ballistic missile program, and

這一直都是關於要摧毀他們的核子計畫、停止他們的恐怖主義、他們的彈道飛彈計畫，還有

reopening the Strait of Hormuz permanently.

We're going to have to work with whatever leader is there.

我們將會和任何在那裡的領導人合作。

Iran is not going to bring in Thomas Jefferson to be able to lead Iran, though it'd be great to be able to see that for the people of Iran, to be able to have that kind of freedom.

伊朗不會找來湯瑪斯傑佛遜來領導伊朗，雖然這對伊朗人民來說會是很棒的事，讓他們能享有那樣的自由。

It will be a different type of regime than what we would select here in America, but

它會是一個跟我們在美國會選擇的政權類型不同的政權，但是

it will be important for us to be able to have at least someone who's not trying to kill us every day.

對我們來說，至少要有一個不會每天都試圖殺死我們的人來領導，這會很重要。

Remembering that for 47 years this regime has been attacking Americans at every opportunity they can possibly get, whether it's Marine barracks in Lebanon, whether it's Houthis attacking just ships randomly coming across their coast.

要記得，這個政權在過去47年來，只要有任何機會，就一直在攻擊美國人，無論是在黎巴嫩的陸戰隊營房，還是葉門的胡塞武裝隨機攻擊經過他們海岸的船隻。

Iran has been focused on trying to be able to carry out their acts of terrorism.

伊朗一直專注於試圖執行他們的恐怖主義行為。

Every base that we have in the region there is a base there because of the threat of Iran.

我們在那區域的每一個基地，都是因為伊朗的威脅而存在的。

This has been a threat for almost five decades now.

And President Trump has just determined it's going to stop.

而川普總統已經決定要停止了。

You're going to stop trying to threaten and kill Americans.

你們將停止試圖威脅和殺害美國人。

can only confirm the destruction of about a third of Iran's missile arsenal, which is significantly less than the 90% or more that the administration says that it's destroyed.

只能確認摧毀了伊朗大約三分之一的飛彈武庫，這遠低於政府聲稱已摧毀的九成或更多。

Do you think it's a victory if the war ends with less than 100% of Iran's missile program destroyed?

你認為如果戰爭結束時，伊朗的飛彈計畫沒有百分之百被摧毀，這算是獲勝嗎？

Yeah, there's a difference between the missiles and the missile launchers.

是的，飛彈和發射器之間是有區別的。

We've been actively going after missile launchers.

我們一直在積極地追擊飛彈發射器。

You can't launch a missile if you don't have the launcher itself.

如果沒有發射器本身，你就無法發射飛彈。

So the focus from the administration from the very beginning is, yes, taking out their production capability for missiles and all of their industrial infrastructure for that, but

所以，從一開始，政府的重點就是，是的，摧毀他們生產飛彈的能力以及所有相關的工業基礎設施，但是

taking out one by one the launchers so they can't actually launch these missiles at us and our allies.

一個一個地摧毀發射器，這樣他們就無法真正向我們和我們的盟友發射這些飛彈。

As you know, there's a lot of discussion, Senator, about what exactly is going to happen next.

你知道，參議員，關於接下來會發生什麼，有很多討論。

Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that he believes it is possible to meet all of the military objectives without putting U.S.

國務卿 Marco Rubio 表示，他認為有可能在不派遣美國

部隊進入戰區的情況下，達成所有軍事目標。

We should be able to do that for what the American objectives were and still remain.

我們應該能夠達成美國的目標，而且這些目標仍然存在。

That is taking out their nuclear program, stopping the terrorist threats on it, and

那就是摧毀他們的核子計畫，停止他們對此的恐怖威脅，以及

But I would tell you the President's actually bringing ground troops.

但我會告訴你，總統其實正在調派地面部隊。

他們有 5,000 名海軍陸戰隊要來。

他們有來自第 82 空降師的人員。

He is creating contingencies to put pressure on Iran to be able to finish the negotiation, to say we are capable of doing more and doing what the United States military alone in the world can actually do.

他正在制定應變計畫，對伊朗施壓，以便完成談判，表明我們有能力做得更多，做美國軍隊獨自能在世界上做到的事。

So I don't fault the President for being able to put additional pressure on Iran, saying, "Come to the table.

所以我不會責怪總統對伊朗施加額外壓力，說：「來談判吧。

Let's get this done." No one wants a war, and

把事情做好。」沒有人想要戰爭，而且

you certainly don't want a battle against the United States of America, the strongest, most moral fighting force in the world.

你當然不想跟美國開戰，美國是世界上最強大、最道德的戰鬥部隊。

So I think the President's right to be able to put troops in the area and to be able to ratchet up the pressure on Iran to make a deal.

所以我認為總統有權部署軍隊到該區域，並對伊朗施加壓力以達成協議。

關於這一點，我想要進一步追問您。

The Wall Street Journal announcing they could be preparing some 10,000 troops to be deployed to the region.

《華爾街日報》報導說，他們可能正在準備部署約 10,000 名部隊到該區域。

Would you support the President putting U.S. boots on the ground in Iran, Senator?

參議員，您會支持總統派遣美軍進入伊朗嗎？

We've got to be able to know what the objectives are and what they're actually carrying out.

我們必須知道目標是什麼，以及他們實際在執行什麼。

So to be very clear on this, the worst thing that can happen is to be able to have this kind of conflict start and to not end it, to leave it undone.

所以要非常清楚地說明這一點，最糟糕的情況就是爆發這類衝突卻無法結束它，讓它不了了之。

Again, almost five decades, Iran has been attacking Americans at every single chance that they have, at any moment, through their allies in the region, through all these terrorist proxies that they have in Iraq, and

再說一次，將近五十年來，伊朗一直抓住每一個機會攻擊美國人，隨時隨地，透過他們在該區域的盟友，透過他們在伊拉克的這些恐怖份子代理人，

all the way through Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis.

從真主黨、哈瑪斯、葉門胡塞組織一路到現在。

They're going to continue to be able to come after us until we make them stop.

他們會持續地攻擊我們，直到我們讓他們停止。

The focus here is to be able to stop them from attacking us and to make sure it does not restart again.

這裡的重點是要能阻止他們攻擊我們，並確保這件事不會再次發生。

So you say it is a different story when we're talking about U.S. boots on the ground.

所以，當我們談論美國大兵在當地時，你說這是另一回事。

Let me ask you bluntly, Senator, do you believe President Trump would need congressional approval if he, in fact, does want to put U.S.

參議員，我直截了當地問你，如果川普總統真的想派美國

大兵進入伊朗，他是否需要國會的準許？

If we have a longstanding war that's happening go back again to what happened in Iraq or in Afghanistan, yes.

如果我們有一場持續了很久的戰爭，回到伊拉克或阿富汗發生的事情，是的。

If this is to protect Americans and to be able to make sure that we're in there for a season and we're stopping and getting out, that's very, very different.

如果這是為了保護美國人，並且確保我們在那裡待一段時間後就能撤離，那是非常、非常不同的。

It's an interesting question to be able to talk about on the political side, but

這是一個在政治層面上很有趣的問題，但

really the focus needs to be on how do we make them stop attacking us.

真正該關注的是，我們要怎麼讓他們停止攻擊我們。

The President has the authority to be able to prevent someone from attacking us.

總統有權力阻止別人攻擊我們。

If we're going to have a longstanding occupation, that's a very different issue.

如果我們要長期佔領，那就是一個非常不同的問題了。

But I don't think that's even what President Trump is even talking about.

但我認為川普總統甚至沒有在談論這個。

We're not trying to be able to go in and to be able to occupy the country or to be able to have a longstanding, long-term war.

我們不是想進去佔領這個國家，或是要長期作戰。

So I'm looking forward to us getting this mission complete and getting out of there.

所以我期待我們能完成這次任務然後撤離。

I just want to put a fine point on what you're saying, though.

我只是想把我剛剛說的重點講清楚一點。

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