Name: 川普政府加劇對美媒的攻擊！就伊朗戰爭開打 | DW 新聞 (Trump government escalates attacks on US media over Iran war | DW News)
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A growing clash between the White House and the press is unfolding as the war with Iran continues.

隨著與伊朗的戰爭持續，白宮和媒體之間的衝突正在加劇。

President Trump and his allies say media coverage is biased and misleading.

川普總統和他的盟友說，媒體報導有偏見且誤導。

程度副詞

We'll get the views of a veteran White House reporter in just a moment.

稍後我們將請到一位資深白宮記者來分享他的看法。

But first, here's Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth speaking today.

但首先，這是國防部長 Pete Hegseth 今天發表的談話。

I stand here today speaking to you, the American people, not through filters, not through reporters, not through cable news spin a dishonest and anti Trump press will stop at nothing.

我今天站在這裡，直接向各位美國人民說話，沒有經過篩選，也沒有透過記者，更不是透過有線電視新聞的操弄——那些不誠實且反川普的媒體什麼事都做得出來。

We know this at this point to downplay progress, amplify every cost, and call into question every step.

我們都知道，他們會淡化進展，放大每一個代價，並質疑每一個步驟。

Well, my next guest knows what it's like to confront from the front row a US President with hard questions.

嗯，我接下來的嘉賓知道，在媒體前排如何直接質詢美國總統，提出尖銳的問題。

Frank Cesno was a White House correspondent before he became CNN Washington Bureau Chief in the 1990s.

Frank Cesno 在 1990 年代成為 CNN 華盛頓分社社長之前，曾是白宮記者。

He is now a professor of Media and Public affairs at George Washington University.

他現在是喬治華盛頓大學的媒體與公共事務教授。

Frank, it's good to have you on the program again.

Frank，很高興你再次來到節目。

He's commander in chief in the war against Iran and also in his battle against much of the news media.

他是伊朗戰爭的總司令，同時也是對抗許多新聞媒體的戰役的總司令。

Take a listen to what he said four days ago.

Iran is known for a lot of fake news, and they deal with our fake news.

伊朗以製造許多假新聞聞名，他們也對付我們的假新聞。

And I actually think it's pretty criminal because our media companies, who have no credibility whatsoever, are putting out information that they know is false, that it's a very dangerous thing for the country.

我其實覺得這很可惡，因為我們的媒體公司毫無信譽可言，卻散播他們明知是假的消息，這對國家來說非常危險。

I think they could be in serious jeopardy.

我認為他們可能會面臨嚴重的危險。

Frank，我們在那裡看到什麼了？

I mean, all US Presidents, they try to shape the narrative during a war.

我的意思是，所有美國總統，在戰爭期間都會試圖塑造輿論。

Now we've got Trump equating the reporting done by the news media with acts of treason.

現在川普把新聞媒體的報導跟叛國罪劃上等號。

And it's incredibly disturbing because in the past, when presidents and administrations have taken the United States and frankly, the world to war, they have understood that they need to build and maintain public opinion and global opinion, and

這真的非常令人不安，因為過去，當總統和政府帶領美國，甚至全世界發動戰爭時，他們都明白需要建立和維持公眾輿論以及全球輿論，而且

And they have understood that at some level, even though they want to spin events, credibility matters.

他們也明白，某種程度上，即使他們想操弄事件，信譽也很重要。

And if what they are saying is counter to what people are seeing on their screens or experiencing on the ground, credibility is undermined, and

如果他們說的話跟人們在螢幕上看到的或在當地經歷的相違背，信譽就會受損，而

And that's what's different and dangerous here, is you've got the President, United States saying that there is a deliberate effort to misrepresent what people are actually seeing with their own eyes.

而這就是這裡不同且危險的地方，總統、美國竟然說有人刻意扭曲人們親眼所見的事實。

And you know that's not just about information, as I say, that's about credibility, public support, and

而且你知道，這不只是資訊問題，就像我說的，這關乎信譽、公眾支持，以及

It feels like, too, that there's a clear push here for alignment.

感覺上，這裡似乎也有一個明顯的推動，要求大家一致行動。

I mean, is the expectation now that the media should support the war effort rather than scrutinize it?

我的意思是，現在的期望是媒體應該支持戰爭行動，而不是審視它嗎？

Yes, I think that is something that is probably similar across administrations, from what I've seen.

是的，我認為這點可能在歷屆政府中都很相似，從我所見的情況來看。

I mean, every, you know, I covered the first President Bush when he went to war to push Saddam Hussein and Iraq out of Kuwait, and

我的意思是，每一次，你知道，我採訪過老布希總統，當時他發動戰爭，要把薩達姆·海珊和伊拉克趕出科威特，還有

second President Bush when we did that in Grenada and all this other kind of stuff.

小布希總統，當時我們在格瑞那達做了這件事，還有所有這些其他事情。

They want the media to be supportive and to craft and to convey the narrative that they, in the White House or the Defense Department are trying to convey.

他們希望媒體能夠支持，並且傳達白宮或國防部試圖傳達的敘事。

But they also understand that bad things are going to happen, that people are going to die, that setbacks are going to take place, and

但他們也明白，壞事會發生，會有人死亡，會出現挫折，

that they need to confront that and acknowledge that and recognize that that is part of the story as well.

而且他們需要面對、承認並認識到這也是故事的一部分。

The narrative that's coming from the White House and elsewhere is everything is great.

白宮和其他地方傳來的說法是，一切都很棒。

Whether we need allies or not, none of this matters.

無論我們是否需要盟友，這些都不重要。

And they are not confronting and embracing the complexity, the nuance, the setbacks that we're already seeing.

他們沒有面對和擁抱我們已經看到的複雜性、細微差別和挫折。

Yeah, I mean, things have been turned around, haven't they?

是啊，我的意思是，情況已經被扭轉了，不是嗎？

I mean, you would think that journalists would hold people, elected officials to account, but

我覺得，你可能會認為記者們會讓民選官員們負責，但

now accountability is being reframed as political opposition.

現在的問責制被重新定義為政治上的反對。

I mean, reporting the news is almost tantamount to being an enemy of the people.

我覺得，報導新聞簡直就像是人民的敵人一樣。

I mean, that is how extreme it has become.

我覺得，情況已經變得這麼極端了。

I mean, the other day, the chairman of the Federal Communication Commission said that broadcast networks might lose their license because he and the administration don't like the way they are reporting the story.

我覺得，前幾天，美國聯邦通訊委員會的主席說，廣播電視網可能會失去執照，因為他跟政府不喜歡他們報導新聞的方式。

Well, first of all, he doesn't have the power to do that.

this would be a very long separate conversation where we could actually look at what is the coverage, what is their problem with that coverage, and

這將會是一場非常冗長且獨立的對話，我們可以好好看看，到底是什麼報導，他們對這些報導有什麼問題，

is there deliberate misleading going on here or mis reporting?

這裡是不是有故意的誤導或錯誤報導？

And by the way, we now have a media in this country where much of it is the media that this administration embraces, that is a purely partisan media.

而且順帶一提，我們現在的媒體，很多都是這個政府所擁護的、純粹黨派性的媒體。

And so the media landscape itself has changed substantially.

所以媒體的生態本身已經有了很大的改變。

But the fundamental issue here of reporting the news from the war zone as things are happening, who's attacking whom, with what result?

但這裡最根本的問題是，從戰區報導新聞，就像事情發生時一樣，是誰在攻擊誰，結果如何？

Those are the facts of the story that need to be reported and those should not be assailed as some kind of partisan thing presuming that they're being presented in the right way.

這些是報導故事的事實，不應該被質疑，好像它們是黨派性的東西，假設它們被正確呈現。

maybe if you can't control the narrative directly, maybe you can control the institutions where that narrative is created.

也許如果你無法直接控制敘事，也許你可以控制創造敘事的機構。

Who owns the media should decide what the media gets to say.

誰擁有媒體就應該決定媒體能說什麼。

I mean, that's what we've been hearing a lot in this administration and it seems to be pushing that further and further.

我的意思是，這就是我們在這屆政府聽到的很多聲音，而且似乎正將其推向更遠。

I want you to take a listen to what the US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said last Friday about the media or more fake news from CNN reports that the Trump administration underestimated the Iran war's impact on the Strait of Hormuz.

我想請你聽聽美國國防部長 Pete Hegseth 上週五說的，關於媒體，或是 CNN 報導的更多假新聞，說川普政府低估了伊朗戰爭對荷姆茲海峽的影響。

For decades Iran has threatened shipping in the Strait of Hormuz.

幾十年來，伊朗一直在荷姆茲海峽威脅船運。

This is always what they do hold hostage.

這就是他們一貫的做法，挾持人質。

The sooner David Ellison takes over that network, the better.

David Ellison 越快接管那個電視網越好。

So we pulled that by because of David Ellison.

所以我們因為 David Ellison 而這樣做了。

For people who don't know David Ellison, he is the Paramount Skydance CEO whose company is acquiring or could be acquiring CNN parent Warner Brothers Discovery.

對於不認識 David Ellison 的人來說，他是 Paramount Skydance 的執行長，他的公司正在收購或可能收購 CNN 的母公司 Warner Brothers Discovery。

Now he is the son of Oracle co founder and Trump ally Larry Ellison.

他是 Oracle 共同創辦人兼川普盟友 Larry Ellison 的兒子。

So you see there's a connection here all the way to the White House.

所以你看，這裡一直都有跟白宮的連結。

And if you listen to Pete Hexith, it sounds like the administration would like to change the DNA of cnn.

如果你聽 Pete Hegseth 的話，聽起來就像政府想改變 CNN 的基因。

I don't think it will because Ellison also the other day said that he wants an independent news organization, cnn.

我覺得不會，因為 Ellison 前幾天也說過，他想要一個獨立的新聞組織，CNN。

Paramount does have CBS News and that has somewhat changed its tone since the time.

Paramount 旗下有 CBS News，自那時以來，它的調性有點改變了。

There's plenty of reason and plenty of space to criticize CNN and to suggest better reporting and better ways of doing it.

有很多理由和空間可以批評 CNN，並建議更好的報導和做法。

我之前在的時候，我們內部就做過這件事。

It's welcome from the outside, even though sometimes harsh and whatever.

這很受歡迎，即使有時候很嚴厲。

But when I hear Pete Hegseth speaking like that, the way you put up.

但當我聽到 Pete Hegseth 這樣說的時候，就像你剛剛說的。

Rather than spending your time trying to shoot the messenger, which has been a consistent messaging tactic of this administration, how about a serious consideration and discussion with the American people in the world of exactly what did you know about what was the risk of the Strait of Hormuz about what can be done to open that up?

與其花時間試圖射殺傳遞訊息的人，這一直是這個政府一貫的訊息傳遞策略，不如認真考慮並與美國人民和世界討論，你們到底知道什麼？關於荷姆茲海峽的風險是什麼？關於如何打開它有什麼辦法？