Name: 雷射武器能有效抵擋伊朗的廉價無人機嗎？| 60 Minutes (Could lasers help fend off Iran's cheap drones? | 60 Minutes)
Uploaded: 2026-03-16T21:40:11.000Z
Duration: 13 min 9 s

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Our highly sophisticated interceptor missiles, Patriots thads against Iran's low tech drones, made of materials you can largely get at your corner hobby store.

我們非常先進的攔截飛彈，愛國者飛彈，對抗伊朗的低科技無人機，這些無人機的材料大部分在你家附近的模型店就買得到。

While attacks by Iranian drones were down this past week, the amount of damage they have done has come as a jolt.

雖然這週伊朗無人機的攻擊減少了，但它們造成的損害程度卻讓人大吃一驚。

An Iranian drone attack caused the first American casualties of the war when it kills six soldiers in Kuwait.

伊朗的一次無人機攻擊造成了美軍在戰爭中的首批傷亡，擊斃了科威特的六名阿兵哥。

Iranian drones are a drain on the US weapons stockpiles and a threat to the Strait of Hormuz.

伊朗無人機耗盡了美國的武器庫存，並且對荷姆茲海峽構成威脅。

We have found that in the race for a counterweapon, there are contenders that look like science fiction lasers that focus on zapping drones out of the sky.

我們發現，在尋找反制武器的競賽中，出現了一些像是科幻雷射的競爭者，它們能擊落空中的無人機。

This is Iranian propaganda footage of its arsenal of drones that have been menacing the Gulf states.

這是伊朗的宣傳影片，展示了它們威脅波斯灣國家的無人機軍火庫。

Blasting apartment buildings, airports, oil refineries.

轟炸公寓大樓、機場、煉油廠。

These shahed drones are getting faster, stronger.

這些 Shahed 無人機越來越快、越來越強。

They can move in swarms and there are tons of them.

牠們可以成群結隊地移動，而且數量非常龐大。

Perhaps their greatest advantage, how cheap they are often made of flimsy plastics.

也許它們最大的優勢，就是它們的製造成本非常低廉，常常是用廉價的塑膠製成的。

One costs as low as $20,000 to shoot them down.

擊落它們的成本可能低至兩萬美元。

The US is using anti missile interceptors that cost millions.

美國正在使用要價數百萬美元的飛彈攔截器。

一個可能的解決方案，就是雷射。

It changes the economics on how we can actually defeat and defend against these targets that are now being deployed and produced by tens of thousands.

這改變了我們如何實際擊敗和防禦這些正以數萬架的數量部署和生產的目標的經濟效益。

Waheed Nawabi is CEO of American defense contractor AeroVironment AV that makes lasers that he says solve the money disparity.

Waheed Nawabi 是美國國防承包商 AeroVironment AV 的執行長，該公司製造的雷射據他說解決了金錢上的差距。

So let me give you an example, a real example.

所以讓我給你們一個例子，一個真實的例子。

A Patriot missile battery cost about a billion dollars to procure one system.

一套愛國者飛彈系統的採購成本大約是十億美元。

Each missile cost about $4 million a shot.

每枚飛彈的單次發射成本約為四百萬美元。

The cost per shot goes from $4 million a shot to less than $5 a shot.

每發的成本從四百萬美元降到不到五美元。

大多數情況下，大約是三美元一發。

The price difference of firing a missile or a laser is like buying a mansion versus a cup of coffee.

發射飛彈和雷射的價差，就像是買一棟豪宅對上一杯咖啡。

We visited AV in Albuquerque where their laser system called Locust is built.

我們參觀了 AV 在阿布奎基的工廠，他們的 Locust 雷射系統就是在那裡製造的。

The top part that looks like Wall E is the beam director.

頂部那個看起來像瓦力（Wall-E）的部分是雷射導引頭。

The deadly ray blasts out of one of the eyes.

致命的光束從其中一隻眼睛射出。

The base contains batteries as the power source and a cooling system.

基座裡有電池作為電源，還有一個冷卻系統。

Each unit costs roughly $8 million and can be stationary or installed in the back of a truck.

每個單元大約八百萬美元，可以固定部署或安裝在卡車後方。

Multiple battles in different theaters around the world, including against Shaheds.

在世界各地不同的戰場上，包括對抗 Shahed 無人機，都有多次的戰鬥紀錄。

Are you telling us that it has been deployed in the Middle East?

He said he's not allowed to tell us exactly where, but

他說他不被允許告訴我們確切的地點，但是

That drones have become so pervasive in the war brings up the question, why didn't the US have a cost effective solution ready?

無人機在戰爭中變得如此普及，這就引出了問題：為什麼美國沒有準備好成本效益高的解決方案？

They went into this war prepared for certain threats, like missiles.

他們為某些威脅做好了準備，像是飛彈。

They did not go into this war prepared for other threats, like drones hitting soft targets.

他們並沒有為其他威脅做好準備，像是無人機攻擊軟目標。

Mara Karlin worked at the Pentagon in both Democratic and Republican administrations.

Mara Karlin 曾在民主黨和共和黨政府時期於五角大廈任職。

Her last job was assistant Secretary of Defense for strategy plans and capabilities.

她最後的職位是國防部負責策略計畫與能力的助理部長。

Is Iran doing anything that surprises you?

伊朗有沒有做什麼讓你感到意外的事？

If anyone were to war game this out, you knew there were a couple things the Iranian regime would do.

如果有人要進行兵棋推演，你早就知道伊朗政權會做幾件事。

They would always look at how to use cheap, tough to counter capabilities like drones in as many spots as possible.

他們總是會想辦法在盡可能多的地方，利用便宜又難以反制的無人機等能力。

Is there anything within our arsenal to confront the drones?

我們的軍火庫裡有什麼可以對付無人機嗎？

So I can't tell you that there is one magic solution that will do it.

所以，我無法告訴你說有一個萬靈丹可以解決這個問題。

And frankly, that's kind of the history of warfare.

You find multiple ways to counter different challenges, and

你會找到多種方法來應對不同的挑戰，然後

then your enemy either catches up or they then get a counter to that counter.

你的敵人要嘛跟上，要嘛他們就會找到反制你的反制方法。

While AV is not a household name, it's a leader in developing drones as well as lasers.

雖然 AV 不是家喻戶曉的名字，但它是無人機和雷射發展的領導者。

But their lasers face stiff competition from some of the giants, including Lockheed Martin and Raytheon.

不過，他們的雷射面臨來自洛克希德馬丁和雷神等巨頭的激烈競爭。

Israel has Iron Beam, part of the Iron Dome.

以色列有鐵束，是鐵穹系統的一部分。

Ukraine has a system, and China just revealed its lasers in a large military parade.

烏克蘭有一個系統，中國最近也在盛大的閱兵式上展示了他們的雷射。

John Garrity, who's in charge of the Locust program, showed us how it works.

負責 Locust 計畫的 John Garrity 向我們展示了它的運作方式。

First, Locust's radars find the enemy drone up to seven miles away as it moves toward the target.

首先，Locust 的雷達能在七英里外偵測到敵方無人機，當它朝目標移動時。

Then an operator, in this case me, locks in on the drone by clicking an ordinary Xbox controller.

然後操作員，在這裡是我，透過點擊普通的 Xbox 控制器來鎖定無人機。

I'll have you tap that bumper one more time.

我會讓你再按一次那個保險桿。

From that point on, the laser tracks the drone as it approaches, using AI I don't have to touch anything.

從那時候開始，雷射就會追蹤無人機接近，透過 AI，我不用動手。

It's going to follow the drone wherever it goes.

And that's the beauty of a laser weapon system, that ability to track and take that overhead burden off of the operator as it gets two to three miles from the system.

這就是雷射武器系統的優點，它能夠追蹤，並在無人機離系統兩到三英里時，減輕操作員的負擔。

So imagine, if you will, you're taking a beam of light or a flashlight and pushing that out several miles away.

所以想像一下，你把一束光或手電筒的光束，往幾英里外推出去。

And that creates enough heat to melt through the plastics or what the material is that these drones are made of.

這會產生足夠的熱量，融化這些無人機的塑膠或其他材質。

For a closer look, he had a drone placed in a hangar.

為了更仔細地觀察，他把一架無人機放在機棚裡。

The door was bolted, and we observed on monitors outside.

門被鎖上了，我們在外面透過螢幕觀察。

John showed me what an operator would do.

John 跟我示範了操作員會怎麼做。

All right, Leslie, what I'm going to ask you to do right now is go ahead and pull the trigger.

好的，Leslie，我現在要請你做的，就是直接扣下扳機。

Watch closely, because the invisible beam travels at the speed of light.

仔細看，因為這道看不見的光束是以光速傳播的。

The beam went right through the drone and you can see there instantaneously, flames.

光束直接穿過了無人機，你可以立刻看到，有火焰冒出來。

This is what the drone looked like afterward.

We were able to see the beam through cameras sensitive to infrared light.

我們透過對紅外線敏感的攝影機，看到了光束。

And so what you're seeing there is effectively clear light that's traveling across the sky and hitting the target that you intend.

所以你現在看到的，就是一道光束穿越天空，擊中你想要目標。

So the benefit of a laser system is you can just keep on lazing at that target until it goes down.

雷射系統的好處就是，你可以持續用雷射攻擊目標，直到它被擊落。

Can this shoot down 100 drones at the same time?

它能不能同時擊落一百架無人機？

Because you're only taking one second or less to kill some of these drones, depending on the range, you can quickly go through and complete your mission.

因為你只需要一秒鐘或更短的時間就能擊落其中一些無人機，這取決於距離，你可以快速完成任務。

Right now, today, is it strong enough to shoot down the Shahad drones that Iran is sending in?

現在，今天，它夠強大到能擊落伊朗派來的 Shahed 無人機嗎？

So we've had a lot of great success with those types of drones.

我們在對付那類型的無人機上，已經有非常好的成果了。

And our new locus system is directly intended to get after that Shahad fight.

而我們新的 Locus 系統就是直接針對對付 Shahed 無人機而設計的。

As drone technology keeps evolving, lasers have to keep up.

隨著無人機技術不斷進步，雷射也必須跟上。

Laser technology overall is still relatively young and experimental.

總體來說，雷射技術還相對年輕且處於實驗階段。

Ongoing military tests have raised concerns about performance, accuracy, how heavy the battery is, how much energy is required, and

持續的軍事測試引發了關於性能、準確度、電池重量、所需能量以及

how effective the beam is in certain weather conditions.

在特定天氣條件下光束有效性的疑慮。

I'm told that there's a lot of trouble with these systems.

If it rains, if it's humid, if it's sandy like in the desert, if there's fog, if there's dust.

像是下雨、潮濕、像沙漠一樣的沙塵、起霧、或是灰塵。

Now, when you're talking about, does the system operate in rain?

現在，當你問到，這套系統在雨天會運作嗎？

Well, traditionally, drones aren't flying in rain.

嗯，傳統上，無人機是不會在雨天飛行的。