Name: **驚爆！Hegseth 強硬警告：任何協助伊朗戰事者，將面臨「嚴厲對峙」！** (Hegseth says anyone helping Iran's war efforts will be "confronted strongly")
Uploaded: 2026-03-07T21:41:31.000Z
Duration: 9 min 32 s

Today I interviewed Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for this Sunday's 60 Minutes.

今天我訪問了國防部長 Pete Hegseth，內容將在週日 60 Minutes 播出。

We talked about many aspects of the war in the Middle east, but we started with new reporting.

我們聊了很多關於中東戰爭的面向，但一開始是關於最新的報導。

CBS reporting that Russia is providing intelligence to Iran so that it can track movements of US Military personnel.

CBS 報導俄羅斯正在提供情報給伊朗，讓伊朗可以追蹤美國軍方人員的動態。

我們的指揮官對一切都很清楚。

We have the best intelligence in the world.

We're aware of who's talking to who, why they're talking to them, how accurate that information might be, how we factor factor that into our battle plans, our CENTCOM commander, so we know what's going on.

我們知道誰在跟誰說話、為什麼跟他們說話、那些情報有多準確，以及我們如何將這些納入我們的作戰計畫，我們的 CENTCOM 指揮官，所以我們知道發生了什麼事。

And the president has an incredible knack at knowing how to mitigate those risks.

總統對於如何降低這些風險有著驚人的敏銳度。

And so the American people can rest assured their commander in chief is well aware of who's talking to who.

是以，美國人民可以放心，他們的總司令非常清楚誰在跟誰說話。

And anything that shouldn't be happening, whether it's in public or back channeled, is being confronted and confronted strongly.

而且任何不該發生的事，無論是公開的還是私下的，都會被嚴厲地制止。

The American people can therefore expect conversations with the Russians to stop this.

所以美國人民可以預期，與俄羅斯的對話將會停止這一切。

Well, President Trump, as people have seen, has a unique relationship with a lot of world leaders, where he can get things done that other presidents, certainly Joe Biden, never could have.

嗯，川普總統，就像大家看到的，他跟許多世界領袖都有獨特的關係，他能完成其他總統，尤其是喬·拜登，永遠無法做到的事。

And through direct conversations or indirect through him one to one, or through his cabinet messages, definitely can be delivered.

而且透過直接對話，或間接透過他一對一的溝通，或是透過他的內閣傳達訊息，肯定都能傳達出去。

Does this put US Personnel in any more danger than they otherwise would be?

這會讓美國人員面臨比平常更大的危險嗎？

Well, the Russian involvement, no one's putting us in danger.

嗯，俄羅斯的介入，沒有人讓我們陷入危險。

我們會在需要時盡量降低風險。

我們的指揮官會考量所有這些。

But the only ones that need to be worried right now are Iranians that think they're going to live.

但現在唯一需要擔心的是那些以為自己能活下來的伊朗人。

Moving around our takeout studio apartment.

在我們的外送工作室公寓裡走動。

I'm very happy to say that CBS News national security analyst Aaron McLean been on the program before.

我很高興地說，CBS News 的國家安全分析師 Aaron McLean 以前上過這個節目。

But you just heard the defense secretary say, yes, we're aware of Russian efforts to assist the Iranians on positioning the US Military assets.

但你剛才聽到國防部長說，是的，我們知道俄羅斯正努力協助伊朗人部署美國軍方資產。

How do you evaluate that answer and this Russian involvement?

你要如何評價這個回答以及俄羅斯的介入？

Well, it's a very serious development, Major.

嗯，這是個非常嚴重的發展，長官。

The Russians, through their four years of war in Ukraine right now, have developed a very sophisticated apparatus of scanning through all the data collected by all the sensors out there and figuring out how to target individuals through that.

俄羅斯人，透過他們在烏克蘭四年來的戰爭，已經發展出一套非常複雜的系統，可以掃描所有感測器收集到的數據，並找出如何鎖定個人。

So if they are supplying that kind of information to the Iranians, it's a concern.

所以，如果他們將這類資訊提供給伊朗人，這確實是個隱憂。

I take the secretary of war at his word, that our people are aware of that, that they are Tracking that.

我完全相信國防部長的話，我們的情報單位對此瞭若指掌，並且正在追蹤。

But anything like that has to be taken extremely seriously.

但任何這類事情都必須極度嚴肅看待。

So when you hear that, you do think to yourself there is a higher risk profile.

所以當你聽到這些，你會覺得風險確實更高了。

Anytime you have a major power adversary like Russia coming in to assist the Iranians, that's a concern.

任何時候，當一個像俄羅斯這樣的主要敵對國家介入協助伊朗人，這都是個隱憂。

The Russians, even though their progress has been halting in Ukraine over the years, have real capabilities and real capabilities on the targeting front as well.

俄羅斯人，即使他們在烏克蘭的進展多年來一直斷斷續續，但他們確實擁有真實的實力，在目標鎖定方面也同樣如此。

There's been a lot of conversation about interceptors.

關於攔截器，大家討論了很多。

Help my audience understand why they're important, where they're important, and what else we should know.

請協助我的觀眾瞭解它們為何重要、在哪裡重要，以及我們還應該知道些什麼。

So the United States military throughout the region to include critically on this line of bases here that we have, stretching from the northern part of Iraq through Kuwait, down through Qatar, Saudi Arabia, into the UAE and beyond, is protected by a multi layered shield of air defenses.

所以美國軍方在中東地區，包括我們在這裡的關鍵基地，從伊拉克北部經科威特，一路到卡達、沙烏地阿拉伯，再到阿拉伯聯合大公國及其他地方，都受到多層次的防空網保護。

This is there because Iran, of course, has substantial ballistic missile and drone capabilities to strike our bases, but

這是因為伊朗當然擁有相當多的彈道飛彈和無人機能力，可以攻擊我們的基地，但

also civilian targets throughout the region.

The issue that we faced at the start of this conflict was that the interceptors are very expensive.

這個衝突開始時我們面臨的問題是，攔截器非常昂貴。

Now, Iranian ballistic missiles are also expensive, but the drones are very cheap.

現在，伊朗的彈道飛彈也很昂貴，但無人機卻非常便宜。

So there's a math problem when you're firing these very expensive interceptors at relatively cheap munitions.

所以當你用非常昂貴的攔截器去對付相對便宜的彈藥時，這就變成了一個數學問題。

Our reservoirs of these things, our magazines, are not infinitely deep.

我們的彈藥庫，彈匣，並不是無限深的。

However, sitting here about seven days into the start of this campaign, we actually seem to be winning the fight in the sense that we're not just.

然而，在這次行動開始約七天後，我們似乎正在贏得這場戰鬥，因為我們不只是。

The United States military and its partners in the region are not just sitting there passively firing interceptors as missiles come in.

美國軍方及其區域內的夥伴並不是被動地發射攔截器來應對來襲的飛彈。

But the United States military is also targeting the archers, shooting the arrows down, if you'll permit the metaphor, in midair.

但美國軍方也正在瞄準射手，在空中擊落箭矢，如果允許我使用這個比喻的話。

Going after the launchers, going after the missile storage sites in Iran, more straightforward.

攻擊發射器，攻擊伊朗的飛彈儲存點，比較直接。

And over time, that's our doctrine, to hammer the archers.

隨著時間的推移，這就是我們的原則，要打擊射手。

You see, as of yesterday afternoon, ballistic missile attacks from Saturday through Thursday, down 90%, drone attacks down 80%.

你看，截至昨天下午，從週六到週四的彈道飛彈攻擊減少了 90%，無人機攻擊減少了 80%。

And the secretary told me that that tempo is going to increase because he said there is now supremacy over the skies of Iran.

國防部長告訴我，這種節奏將會加快，因為他說現在已經掌握了伊朗領空的制空權。

The Israeli Air Force and the American Air Force can go wherever it wants and can target more precisely from overhead, as opposed from, let's say, the Med or someplace around here.

以色列空軍和美國空軍可以隨意前往任何地方，並能從空中更精準地鎖定目標，而不是像從地中海或這個區域的某個地方發動攻擊。

He said, the personnel here have enough interceptors, our allies will have enough interceptors for not just bases, but

他說，這裡的人員有足夠的攔截器，我們的盟友將有足夠的攔截器，不僅是針對基地，還有

the infrastructure, the oil infrastructure in that area.

該地區的基礎設施、石油基礎設施。

Now, you do see some of our allies and partners in the region getting nervous.

現在，你確實看到我們在該地區的一些盟友和夥伴感到緊張。

These reserves of interceptors are not infinite.

It was very interesting to see in the last day or so the development of the president of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, offering support to partners in the region because who has experience shooting down Iranian drones?

過去一兩天，看到烏克蘭總統弗拉基米爾·澤倫斯基向該地區的夥伴提供支持，這非常有趣，因為誰有擊落伊朗無人機的經驗？

Ukraine has experience shooting down because they were there.

烏克蘭有擊落的經驗，因為他們在那裡。

That's right, Ukraine, excuse me, Iran supplies these drones to Russia, who fires them at Ukraine.

沒錯，烏克蘭，抱歉，伊朗向俄羅斯供應這些無人機，俄羅斯再將它們射向烏克蘭。

Ukraine has very limited interceptors for a variety of complicated, largely political reasons.

由於各種複雜、很大程度上是政治原因，烏克蘭的攔截器數量非常有限。

And so they've become very good at shooting down drones with drones developing tactics to make the most out of the limited resources that they have.

是以，他們在擊落無人機方面變得非常厲害，開發了戰術來充分利用他們有限的資源。

And they're now going to advise our partners in the region and us.

而他們現在將為該地區的夥伴和我們提供建議。

What should we watch for in the next 48 to 72 hours?

在接下來的 48 到 72 小時內，我們應該注意什麼？

Yeah, so I want to tell you a story, major, about what's kind of a tale of two wars here.

是的，所以我想跟你講個故事，長官，關於這裡的兩個戰場。

We have this graphic here showing essentially the locations of major strikes that the United States and Israel have made in Iran.

我們這裡有一張圖表，顯示了美國和以色列在伊朗的主要打擊地點。

Targeting naval targets here along the coast, missile targets here in the western mountain range of the country, one attack on a nuclear site in the center of the country, and

目標是沿海的軍事目標，這裡西部山區的飛彈目標，以及中部一個核設施的攻擊，還有

obviously we've all heard about the regime targets here around Tehran.

顯然我們都聽說了德黑蘭周邊政權的目標。

And then you have Iranian counter strikes all the way across the region here.

然後，伊朗的反擊會遍及整個地區。

U.S. bases, diplomatic facilities, obviously hammering Israel.

美國基地、外交設施，顯然都在猛烈攻擊以色列。

And then there's a whole sub theater war going on between Israel and Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

接著是以色列和真主黨在黎巴嫩南部展開的另一場全面戰役。

it really, even though the graphic makes it look as though essentially, you know, we're hitting them a lot and they're hitting us a lot, the reality is it's two very different approaches.

雖然圖表看起來好像我們在猛烈攻擊他們，他們也在猛烈攻擊我們，但實際上是兩種非常不同的策略。

What you see over here is a relentless campaign targeting missiles, targeting the Iranian navy and targeting to a limited extent so far at least, their nuclear program also regime target.

你看到這邊是一場持續不斷的行動，目標是飛彈、伊朗海軍，以及到目前為止有限度的核計畫和政權目標。

Every time we hit these targets, the balance of power shifts slightly in favor of the U.

每次我們打擊這些目標，權力平衡就會稍微傾向美以聯盟。

伊朗的攻擊則不然，你確實會看到攻擊得逞。

The Iranian strikes, on the other hand, though, you do see hits slipping through.

我們在科威特發生了六名軍人不幸喪生的悲劇。

We had the tragic loss of six servicemen, six service members in Kuwait.

You see some harrowing footage of radar facilities being taken down in Bahrain, a few other things like that.

你看到這邊是一些令人心驚膽戰的畫面，顯示巴林的雷達設施被摧毀，還有其他類似的狀況。

There's a degree of indiscriminateness to the Iranian targeting.

伊朗的目標選擇有點不分青紅皁白。

There's a lot of civilian targets, civilian airports, hotels, things like that.

有很多平民目標，像是民航機場、飯店等等。

It's designed essentially to harass, to cause alarm, to cause our allies to pressure us to bring things to a close.

這基本上是為了騷擾、製造恐慌，讓我們的盟友施壓我們結束這一切。

But militarily the impact is much more limited on the U.

但在軍事上，美國的影響遠比伊朗透過聯軍在伊朗境內進行的打擊來得有限。

S Israel coalition through those kinds of strikes than the impact is on Iran through the sorts of strikes the coalition is running in Iran.

美國以色列聯盟透過這類打擊的影響，遠比伊朗透過聯軍在伊朗境內進行的打擊來得有限。

The balance of power every day shifts in favor of the United States and Israel.

權力平衡每天都在傾向美國和以色列。

How much do we know, Aaron, about how many munitions, either drone or missile are underground in Iran that they could pull up and add to their stockpiles above ground?

Aaron，我們對伊朗地下有多少彈藥，無論是無人機還是飛彈，可以被他們挖出來加入地面的庫存，瞭解多少？

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