Name: 伊朗外交部發言人伊斯梅爾·巴蓋伊接受BBC新聞專訪｜BBC新聞 (Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei speaks to BBC News | BBC News)
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We can speak to the Foreign Ministry spokesperson Ismail Bagai.

我們可以訪問外交部發言人伊斯梅爾·巴蓋。

Thank you very much for joining us here on BBC News.

Can we first begin with the latest on the impact of these strikes on the senior political and military leadership in Iran?

我們可以先從最新的情況開始嗎？這些襲擊對伊朗的高階政治和軍事領導層有什麼影響？

There are reports that a number of senior leaders, including the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was were targeted in Israel strikes.

有報導指出，包括最高領袖阿亞圖拉·阿里·哈梅內伊在內的多位高階領導人都成為了以色列襲擊的目標。

Can you confirm for us whether the top leadership is still alive or where are they?

您能向我們確認最高領導層是否還活著，或者他們在哪裡嗎？

I'm not in a situation to confirm anything.

The whole system, the whole nation is focused on defending our national integrity, on our sovereignty and territorial integrity.

整個體系、整個國家都專注於捍衛我們的國家完整、主權和領土完整。

So what we are doing right now is to defend with all force against this unprovoked act of aggression by Israel and by Americans.

所以我們現在所做的，就是全力防禦以色列和美國這起無端侵略的行為。

Could I ask you, Obviously it would be of concern to the Foreign Ministry if the Supreme Leader has been targeted.

我可以問您嗎？如果最高領袖成為目標，外交部顯然會很關切。

There are seem there are consistent reports that his residence, his offices for were targeted this morning.

似乎有持續的報導指出，他的住所、他的辦公室今天早上成為了目標。

Can you give us at least a confirmation or a denial as to whether or not those residences were targeted?

您至少能給我們一個確認或否認，關於那些住所是否成為了目標嗎？

I can tell you that many places, many targets were hit across the country, including a number of schools, a number of primary schools, in particular one elementary school and more than 150 innocent girls were killed and maimed and many of them are still under the rubble in Minab or Mozgan province south of Iran.

我可以告訴您，全國各地許多地方、許多目標都遭到襲擊，包括一些學校、一些小學，特別是一所小學，有超過150名無辜的女孩死亡或受傷，其中許多人還在伊朗南部的米納布或莫茲甘省的瓦礫堆中。

That was one of the first detailed reports to emerge of civilian casualties at school in southern Iran.

這是最早出現的關於伊朗南部學校平民傷亡的詳細報導之一。

We understand that the school was very close to a base of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.

我們瞭解到，這所學校離伊斯蘭革命衛隊的基地非常近。

Can you give us more details about that attack?

您能給我們更多關於那次襲擊的細節嗎？

That's simply a way of normalizing atrocity and atrocious crime.

這根本就是將暴行和駭人聽聞的罪行正常化的一種方式。

Simply to say those civilian targets were hit because they were in the vicinity of military bases, that's nonsensical.

說這些平民目標是因為靠近軍事基地才被擊中，這根本說不通。

They indiscriminately and intentionally attacked these places.

他們濫殺無辜，故意攻擊這些地方。

他們殺害、屠殺了我們的人民。

They massacred innocent girls not only in Minab, but

他們屠殺無辜的女孩，不只在米納布，

also in other places in La Mer Fars province also.

還有在拉梅爾法斯省的其他地方。

So they are just calling them collateral damage and by that they just try to somehow justify these acts of aggression and these acts of masculinity.

他們只是稱之為附帶損害，藉此試圖合理化這些侵略行為和所謂的男子氣概。

Iran has retaliated, as it said it would.

伊朗已經展開報復，正如他們所說的。

You have now attacked countries right across the region, including your Arab allies.

你們現在已經攻擊了該地區的國家，包括你們的阿拉伯盟友。

Don't you risk losing the key support you need among your regional partners at this time.

你們難道不怕在這個時候失去區域夥伴們的關鍵支持嗎？

Two things, I think how you qualify a given act matters.

兩件事，我覺得你如何定義一個行為很重要。

It is an act of self defense recognized under Article 51 of the UN Charter.

這是聯合國憲章第 51 條承認的自衛行為。

Secondly, we have not attacked any country.

第二，我們沒有攻擊任何國家。

What we have done, we have defended against an action by the United States.

我們所做的，是為了抵禦美國的行動。

And we all know that in accordance with international.

No country is allowed to let other countries, to let the aggressor abuse or use its facilities, its soil, in order to attack another country.

沒有國家允許其他國家，允許侵略者濫用或使用其設施、其領土來攻擊另一個國家。

What we are doing is defending our national territory, our sovereignty against an act of aggression.

我們所做的，是為了抵禦侵略行為，保護我們的國家領土、我們的國家主權。

And we all know that those bases, those military bases which are under full control of the United States are being used to conduct military attack against Iran.

我們都知道，那些由美國完全控制的基地，正被用來對伊朗發動軍事襲擊。

But that's not how your allies are seeing it.

但是，這並不是你的盟友們看待的方式。

As I mentioned, they have issued a statement condemning your attacks.

正如我所提到的，他們已經發表聲明譴責你們的襲擊。

The Foreign Minister of Asarakchi has been on the telephone to all of these capitals.

阿薩拉克奇的外交部長已經和所有這些首都通過電話。

Yes, that's why we really value our friendship with the countries of the region.

是的，這就是為什麼我們非常重視與該區域國家之間的友誼。

That's why the diplomatic process that was betrayed by the United States just recently started in the region.

這就是為什麼美國最近背叛的外交進程，是在該區域開始的。

The countries of the region were involved in this process because everyone understands that the security of the region, security of all countries of the region are interrelated, interconnected.

區域國家參與了這個進程，因為每個人都明白，區域的安全，區域所有國家的安全是相互關聯、相互依存的。

And what matters most is that the countries of the region understand that the main threat to our collective security, to the future of the security of this region is Israel, which is talking about the Greater Israel.

而最重要的是，區域國家明白，對我們集體安全、對這個區域安全未來的主要威脅是以色列，它正在談論「大以色列」。

And now the United States is being dragged into its war of aggression against the whole region.

而現在美國正被拖入它對整個區域的侵略戰爭。

So this is not only against Iran run, this is against the whole region.

所以這不僅僅是針對伊朗，這是針對整個區域。

Many of the leaders in the region had been working around the clock to avert a war.

區域裡的許多領導人都在不眠不休地努力，希望能避免戰爭。

But in their first statements, they didn't condemn the attacks by Israel backed by the United States.

但他們一開始發表的聲明，並沒有譴責以色列在美國支持下的襲擊。

Their first condemnation was of your attacks.

他們第一次譴責的是你們的襲擊。

So this seems to put you in a weaker position diplomatically, just at a time when you need your allies.

所以這似乎讓你們在外交上處於比較弱勢的地位，而這正是在你們需要盟友的時候。

Minister Arafchi has been in close contact with his counterparts in the region.

阿拉夫奇部長一直與區域內的同行保持密切聯繫。

And I think everyone in the region understands that this war was not started by Iran.

我認為區域裡的每個人都明白，這場戰爭不是伊朗挑起的。

這場戰爭是被強加在我們和這個區域身上的。

And the point is that again, that we are not attacking any country in the region.

重點是，我們並沒有攻擊區域內的任何國家。

We have no problem, no issue with our Arab neighbors.

我們和我們的阿拉伯鄰國沒有任何問題。

The only thing they are doing is to conduct an act of self defense against those bases which are being used by the United States to attack Iran.

他們所做的，只是為了保護那些被美國用來攻擊伊朗的基地，進行自衛。

In a way, the United States is abusing the territory of the Arab countries of the region in order to launch an act of aggression against Iran.

在某種程度上，美國正在濫用該區域阿拉伯國家的領土，來對伊朗發動侵略。

And this is, this is in violation of basic principles of international law.

這完全違反了國際法的基本原則。

President Trump, in his first comments this morning, said he tried to do a deal with you.

川普總統今天早上首次發表評論時說，他曾試圖與您達成協議。

He said he tried, but you didn't want to come to a deal.

他說他試過了，但您不想達成協議。

Do you now realize that you weren't moving forward quickly enough in offering the kind of compromises which could have averted this military action which is now unfolding?

您現在是否意識到，您沒有足夠快地提出可能避免這場正在發生的軍事行動的妥協方案？

You know, this is just a way of normalizing their act of aggression.

您知道，這只是他們正常化侵略行為的一種方式。

Everyone knows, including the Omani mediator, that the negotiations were moving in a good direction.

大家都知道，包括阿曼的調解人在內，談判正朝著良好的方向發展。

Even the American negotiators acknowledged the fact that the negotiations were quite progressing.

就連美國談判代表也承認，談判進展順利。

That's why they agreed to have a technical round of discussion in Vienna to be hosted by IAEA Secretary the Attorney General.

這就是為什麼他們同意在維也納舉行技術性討論，由國際原子能總署祕書長兼總檢察長主持。

So talking about not moving forward with respect to diplomatic process is simply not true.

所以說外交進程沒有進展，這根本不是事實。

And I think nowadays everyone can understand fully that it was a sort of deception.

我認為現在大家都能完全明白，這是一種欺騙。

They were not serious about diplomatic process and diplomatic achievement from day one.

從第一天起，他們就對外交進程和外交成就沒有認真。

And this is simply a reminder of what they did in June.

這只是提醒大家他們在六月做了什麼。

You remember that we were supposed to meet for the sixth round, but

你記得我們本來要舉行第六輪會談，但是

just two days before that they attacked Iran.

The Britain, Germany and France have called for the resumption of negotiations.

英國、德國和法國呼籲恢復談判。

But seeing what's happening now in the region, it seems as though the time for talking is over.

但看看現在該地區發生的事，感覺談判的時機似乎已經過去了。

What we are focusing right now is to defend our people, to defend our territory, to defend our national security.

我們現在專注的是保護我們的人民、保護我們的領土、保護我們的國家安全。

And I think this is what, for the time being we have to focus.

我想這就是我們目前必須專注的。

正如我告訴你的，外交已經結束了。

Have had very bad experiences of diplomacy.

在外交上經歷過非常糟糕的經驗。

I mean, they turn diplomacy into a sort of trap for attacking Iran.

我的意思是，他們把外交變成了一種陷阱，用來襲擊伊朗。

And everyone knows now in the region and internationally that the United States diplomacy cannot be trusted at all.

而且現在區域內和國際上所有人都知道，美國的外交根本不能信任。

They made it clear it's about regime change now for President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu.

他們已經說得很清楚了，川普總統和納坦雅胡總理現在就是要政權更迭。

That's simply an illusion that on the international law, of course, everyone should condemn these rhetorics because this is against the right of self determination of people.

這根本就是一種幻想，在國際法上，當然，每個人都應該譴責這些言論，因為這違背了人民自決的權利。

This is against the principle of non intervention in the domestic affairs of the state.

這違背了不干涉國家內政的原則。

And for Iranians, by the way, it is a reminiscent of 1953 Qudeita, which is still an old wound.

而且順帶一提，這讓伊朗人想起 1953 年的政變，這仍然是一道舊傷。

And by this attack, the Americans simply reminded every Iranian that the history of animosity, the history of hostility by the United States administration goes back to 70 years ago.

透過這次襲擊，美國人提醒了每一個伊朗人，美國政府的敵意歷史、敵對歷史可以追溯到 70 年前。

Ismail Bagai, the Foreign Ministry spokesperson of Tehran.

德黑蘭外交部發言人 Ismail Bagai。