Name: 10分鐘療癒：如何運用憤怒來療癒而非傷害 w/ Dr. Gabor Maté (Heal In 10: How to Use Anger to HEAL Instead of HARM w/ Dr. Gabor Maté)
Uploaded: 2026-02-28T13:24:48.000Z
Duration: 10 min 51 s

The immune system and emotional system have the same job and they're not one system.

免疫系統和情緒系統有相同的功能，但它們不是同一個系統。

情態副詞

So when something happens emotionally, it also affects the immune system.

所以當情緒發生變化時，也會影響到免疫系統。

So when people suppress their emotions, they're also messing with their immune system.

所以當人們壓抑情緒時，他們也在影響他們的免疫系統。

And that's why people develop autoimmune disease or other problems.

這也是為什麼人們會得到自體免疫疾病或其他病症。

Not blaming anybody for this because nobody does deliberately or consciously.

這不是在怪任何人，因為沒有人是故意或有意識地這樣做的。

And so like, like I said about your mom once, I know that she has a certain medical condition, the computer will tell you their personalities.

就像我之前跟你說過關於你媽媽的事，我知道她有某種病症，電腦會告訴你他們的個性。

而且，再次強調，這不是他們的錯。

It's how they're conditioned in childhood.

So when you say you have to learn your boundaries.

所以當你說你必須學習你的界線。

You think as a one day old baby you didn't know your boundaries.

你覺得一個剛出生一天的嬰兒不知道自己的界線嗎？

Do you think, what, as a one day old baby did you think you, you know, you think you didn't know your boundaries?

你覺得，什麼，一個剛出生一天的嬰兒會覺得自己，你知道的，你覺得自己不知道自己的界線嗎？

Somebody tried to feed you something you didn't want, you'd go, oh, good point.

有人試圖餵你不想吃的東西，你會說，哦，說得對。

And, and then a one and a half year old kid is.

然後，然後一個一歲半的小孩。

他們說的那個很重要的詞是什麼？

It's the first word they say which is a boundary defense.

這就是他們說的第一個詞，是界線的防禦。

So it's in our nature to have boundaries anyway, every animal has them and something happens, so we have to suppress it.

所以，我們天生就有界線，每種動物都有，然後發生了一些事，所以我們必須壓抑它。

And so that's why in midlife or later on then we have to find out or figure out our boundaries.

所以，這就是為什麼在中年或之後，我們必須找出或弄清楚我們的界線。

In theory, in therapy, because we had to suppress them in childhood.

理論上，在治療中，因為我們小時候必須壓抑它們。

How do you know, though, how to let that, that anger out healthily?

但你怎麼知道，要如何健康地釋放那份憤怒呢？

Because, you know, I know that in December I was really hurt by somebody in my life.

因為，你知道，我知道十二月時，我被我生命中的某個人深深傷害了。

And I've been meditating this last year and really trying to, you know, focus on my healing and all that.

而我今年一直在冥想，並真的試著，你知道，專注於我的療癒等等。

And I've been in such a good place, right.

而且我一直處在一個很好的狀態，對吧。

So this person hurts me so badly, completely shocks me out of nowhere, breaks my heart.

所以這個人傷我這麼重，完全出乎意料地讓我震驚，讓我心碎。

And then I said, well, this is their loss because, oh, what kind of friend I am.

然後我說，嗯，這是他們的損失，因為，哦，我是個什麼樣的朋友。

It didn't mean, it didn't hurt me and it didn't keep coming in my thoughts.

這沒有傷害到我，也沒有一直縈繞在我的腦海裡。

But I, I released and then soon after was like, okay, forgive that person.

但是我，我釋懷了，然後很快就覺得，好吧，原諒那個人。

I know they're not healthy mentally and that this is probably just them taking it out on me.

我知道他們心理不健康，這大概只是他們在對我發洩。

And I know that a lot of people are probably going through things like this.

我知道很多人可能也正在經歷類似的事情。

I'm going to explain it in these details, but.

But I also thought that the Zen thing to do is not to think about it and.

不過我也覺得，禪意就是不要去想它，然後。

What is the way to handle something like that?

And fight, or are you just supposed to, you know.

然後打鬥，還是你只是，你知道。

Well, so first of all, I don't know that I agree with you about the Zen thing, you know, because the Buddha.

嗯，所以首先，我不太同意你說的禪意，你知道，因為佛陀。

When you look at the Buddha's teachings, he didn't say, don't be angry.

當你看佛陀的教誨時，他並沒有說不要生氣。

He said, when you're angry, be aware of it.

他說，當你生氣的時候，要覺察到它。

So he said that he was talking to his monks, the bhikkhus.

所以他說他當時正在跟他的僧侶，比丘們說話。

He says the bhikkhu is the, you know, the female monks.

他說比丘尼是，你知道，女僧侶。

And he says, say when the bhikkhu is angry, he says, there's anger in me.

他說，當比丘尼生氣時，他說，我裡面有憤怒。

When the monk experiences joy, he says, there's joy in me.

當僧侶體驗到喜悅時，他說，我裡面有喜悅。

Much of the expressions of anger, they don't come with awareness.

很多憤怒的表達，都沒有伴隨著覺察。

It's like you put like, you know, I used to be a rageaholic.

就像你放進去，你知道，我以前是個暴怒狂。

Really, I did, you know, and that hurt my kids.

真的，我以前是，你知道，這傷害了我的孩子。

And, and I don't mean that physically hurt them, but they witnessed my rages, you know, and

而且，我不是說身體上傷害他們，而是他們目睹了我的暴怒，你知道，而且

And then anger just bursts out of me like out of a volcano.

然後憤怒就像火山一樣爆發出來。

if I'm aware that there's anger in me, then if somebody does something that's hurtful, I can say, this makes me angry.

如果我意識到自己有憤怒情緒，然後有人做了傷害我的事，我就可以說，這讓我生氣。

That's all, you know, so it's no big display.

就這樣，你知道，所以不會有什麼大場面。

It doesn't have to be dramatic, you know, it's just appropriate to the situation.

不需要戲劇化，你知道，就是符合情況。

But it's, no, you will not do that to me.

但是，不行，你不能這樣對我。

You will not speak to me that way, whatever it is.

你不能那樣跟我說話，不管是什麼。

So healthy anger is very simple, and it's in the moment, and once it's over, it's over.

所以健康的憤怒很簡單，當下就發生，一旦結束就結束了。

Like, if I intrude on your space somehow, you say, no, you will not do that.

例如，如果我以某種方式侵犯了你的空間，你就會說，不行，你不能這樣做。

And once I've backed off, you don't have to keep being angry with me.

一旦我退縮了，你就不用一直對我生氣。

You may not want to see me again, or you may choose to see me again.

你可能不想再見到我，或者你也可以選擇再見我。

But the anger doesn't have to keep percolating inside you.

但憤怒不必一直在你心裡發酵。

That's the difference between healthy and unhealthy anger is that healthy anger is a boundary defense in the moment when it's expressed, done its job, it's over.

這就是健康憤怒和不健康憤怒的差別，健康的憤怒是在當下表達的界線防禦，一旦完成了它的任務，就結束了。

我當時想，不行，這真的太錯了。