Name: 呼籲徹查CFMEU貪腐問題！7.30 (Growing calls for a royal commission into CFMEU corruption | 7.30)
Uploaded: 2026-02-18T23:03:37.000Z
Duration: 9 min 21 s

情態副詞

Shall be the truth, shall be the truth, the whole truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

將是真相，將是真相，全部真相，全部真相，除真相外無他。

Corruption busting Lawyer Geoffrey Watson's report, titled Rotting from the Top, was tabled in a Queensland commission of inquiry into the CFMEU.

打擊貪腐律師 Geoffrey Watson 的報告，標題為「由上而下的腐敗」，已提交給昆士蘭針對 CFMEU 的調查委員會。

It laid bare the allegations at the centre of nine newspapers and 60 Minutes investigations since 2024.

這份報告揭露了自 2024 年以來，九家報紙和 60 Minutes 調查的核心指控。

The Victorian CFMEU is a crime organisation tasked by CFMEU Administrator Mark Irving to investigate violence and corruption within the construction union.

維多利亞的 CFMEU 是一個犯罪組織，由 CFMEU 管理人 Mark Irving 指派，負責調查建築工會內部的暴力和腐敗。

I think clearly it speaks to an absolute broad based system of criminality and corruption.

我認為這清楚地顯示了一個廣泛的犯罪和腐敗系統。

Watson approached hundreds of witnesses, heard allegations of building sites being converted into drug distribution centres, strippers paid cash to perform in sheds at night, widespread bribery, violence and threats which persist still today.

Watson 接觸了數百名證人，聽到了關於建築工地被轉變成毒品分發中心、脫衣舞孃在夜晚的棚屋裡表演收取現金、普遍的賄賂、暴力和威脅的指控，這些至今仍然存在。

There were attempts to interfere with your investigation.

You're aware that the administrator has from time to time had threats made to him, Death threats.

你知道嗎，管理人在不只一次收到過威脅，甚至是死亡威脅。

The biggest fallout from this report was a section that was redacted by the CFMEU administrator and later released to the inquiry in Queensland.

這份報告最大的影響是其中一段被 CFMEU 管理人刪除，後來才提交給昆士蘭的調查委員會。

It estimated $15 billion of taxpayer money had been lost to corruption and inflated costs on Victoria's $100 billion big build public Infrastructure program.

據估計，維多利亞州 1000 億美元的重大建設公共基礎設施計畫，有 150 億美元的納稅人資金因腐敗和成本膨脹而損失。

The people who had been doing this work before the CFMEU took over the AWU's control of civil construction in Melbourne, and

在 CFMEU 接管墨爾本的 AWU 對土木工程的控制之前，做這項工作的人，

I asked them time after time, how much extra did it cost once the CFMEU took these controls?

我一次又一次地問他們，自從 CFMEU 接管這些控制權後，額外花了多少錢？

So let me give you what the takeaway is before you do it could be 30 billion, not 15 billion.

所以我讓你們知道，在你們做之前，這可能是 300 億，而不是 150 億。

The $15 billion figure, which Geoffrey Watson acknowledges is a rough estimate, was also raised in Senate estimates last week with Fair Work Commission General Manager Murray Furlong.

150 億美元這個數字，Geoffrey Watson 也承認是個粗估，上週在參議院估算時，Fair Work Commission 的總經理 Murray Furlong 也提出了這個數字。

Do you have any reason to dispute that figure?

你有任何理由質疑這個數字嗎？

In terms of conversations that I've had with officials, I think that figure is consistent with what I've heard from officials from the Victorian government.

根據我與官員們的談話，我認為這個數字與我從維多利亞州政府官員那裡聽到的情況一致。

CFMEU Administrator Mark Irving Casey, the man the Federal government has appointed to clean up the union, sought the removal of this section because he said Watson's numbers were not well founded or properly tested and the Victorian government is running with it.

CFMEU 管理人 Mark Irving Casey，也就是聯邦政府指派來整頓工會的人，要求刪除這段內容，因為他說 Watson 的數字沒有根據或未經適當測試，而維多利亞州政府卻採用了。

Well, there's a lot of florid ramblings from Mr. Watson, but not a lot of evidence.

嗯，Mr. Watson 有很多華麗的說詞，但證據不多。

he's not much good when it comes to coming up with some facts.

說到拿出事實，他就不太行了。

Those claims have been dismissed by the independent administrator who has said that they are not well tested or properly founded.

這些指控已被獨立管理人駁回，他說這些指控未經充分檢驗或適當佐證。

Following the release of the Watson report this week, Jacinta Allen was under pressure about what she knew and when and whether she would investigate the claim.

在 Watson 報告本週公佈後，Jacinta Allen 面臨壓力，被問及她何時知道什麼，以及是否會調查這些指控。

The CFMEU had cost the Victorian taxpayers 50% billion.

CFMEU 讓維多利亞州的納稅人損失了 500 億。

Premier, do you or any of your members of your government, some standing behind you, feel any responsibility to investigate or test the claims made by Geoffrey Watson?

總理，您或您政府的任何一位成員，包括您身後站著的幾位，是否覺得有責任去調查或檢驗 Geoffrey Watson 所做的指控？

Well, those claims that have been made have been ruled as untested.

嗯，這些提出的指控已被判定為未經檢驗。

Do you have any responsibility to test them?

To make it clear the claim has been made, the administrator, who has the responsibility and authority under federal legislation to perform this investigation, to clean out.

為了釐清這項指控已經提出，而根據聯邦法規，有權責進行這項調查、進行整頓的行政官員。

In terms of the authority and the responsibility.

I'm going to support the work of the Federal Administrator because his work is just so critically important to all of the members of government behind you.

我會支持聯邦行政官員的工作，因為他的工作對您身後所有政府成員都至關重要。

And would any of you like to see that investigated?

你們有人想看到這件事被調查嗎？

I just want to say that the Premier has been incredibly strong and decisive in the action that she has taken.

我只想說，總理在她採取的行動上，一直非常強勢且果斷。

Do you have any desire to investigate or test that $15 billion number that was raised by Geoffrey Watson in Queensland?

你們有沒有任何意願去調查或檢驗 Geoffrey Watson 在昆士蘭提出的那 150 億美元的數字？

Well, as the Premier has already indicated many times this morning, this figure was found by the Administrator of the CFMEU to be untested.

嗯，正如總理今天早上已經多次表示，這個數字是由 CFMEU 的行政官員發現的，而且未經測試。

And would you like to test it and not worthy of further consideration.

而且你們想測試它，它不值得進一步考慮。

Would any of you like to investigate this $15 billion number that's been floated?

你們有人想調查這個被提出的 150 億美元的數字嗎？

I think I'm out talking to my community in the Western suburbs all the time and people are talking to me about cost of living.

我認為我一直在和西區的社區交流，人們都在跟我談論生活成本。

So the question is about the $15 billion number.

所以問題是關於那個 150 億美元的數字。

大家會跟我談到那 150 億美元嗎？

And I talk to them about the steps that the Premier has outlined that we are taking.

我會跟他們說，州長已經概述了我們正在採取的步驟。

Anthony Wheeley is the Chair of the Centre for Public Integrity, the same organisation where Geoffrey Watson is also a director.

Anthony Wheeley 是公共廉潔中心的主席，Geoffrey Watson 也是該組織的董事。

This investigation had nothing to do with our organisation.

But Geoffrey's report, I think, is very detailed, it's very competent, it's very courageous.

但我認為 Geoffrey 的報告非常詳盡、非常專業、也非常有勇氣。

Jacinta Allen was Transport infrastructure minister between 2013 and 2023 and responsible for overseeing the rollout of the Big Build over the weekend, the Premier's office released a letter she sent to the state's anti Corruption Agency, IBAC in 2024 asking them to investigate allegations of corruption on on Big Build sites.

Jacinta Allen 在 2013 年到 2023 年間擔任交通基礎設施部長，負責監督「大建設」的推展。週末，州長辦公室公佈了她於 2024 年寫給州反貪機構 IBAC 的一封信，要求他們調查「大建設」工地上的貪腐指控。

I took a number of immediate actions and those actions included a referral to IBAC for them to determine their next steps of an investigation.

我採取了一系列立即行動，其中包括將案件轉介給 IBAC，由他們決定下一步的調查方向。

It also involved a referral to Victoria Police.

這也包含轉介給維多利亞警方。

On Monday, IBAC released a statement saying the Premier's referral was assessed and determined to be outside of IBAC's jurisdiction.

週一，IBAC 發布聲明表示，州長的轉介已由他們評估，並判定超出 IBAC 的管轄範圍。

Senior Union officials, delegates and subcontractors were sharing the stolen funds in one form or another between them all and IBAC has no authority, no jurisdiction to investigate that type of subcontracting arrangement.

資深工會官員、代表和次承包商之間以各種方式分享了這些贓款，而 IBAC 沒有權力、沒有管轄權來調查這類次承包合約安排。

IBAC Commissioner Victoria Elliott declined an interview with 7:30.

IBAC 主席 Victoria Elliott 拒絕接受 7:30 的採訪。

She told a state government inquiry in December the anti corruption agency needed expanded powers to investig corrupt conduct of third party and private contractors.

她在十二月的一次州政府聽證會上表示，反貪機構需要擴大權力，以調查第三方和私人承包商的腐敗行為。

Will you expand IBAC's powers to investigate the matters in your referral in 2024?

你會擴大 IBAC 的權力，以調查你在 2024 年轉介的這些案件嗎？

I have no announcements to make regarding IBAC.

我沒有任何關於 IBAC 的聲明要宣佈。

Opposition MP David Davis is currently fighting the Victorian government over the release of two briefs handed to Jacinta Allen, believed to highlight misconduct on Big build sites in June 2023.

反對黨議員 David Davis 目前正與維多利亞州政府就兩份提交給 Jacinta Allen 的簡報進行爭議，據信這兩份簡報揭露了 2023 年 6 月「大建設」工地上的不當行為。

These briefs were about corruption and the CFMEU very direct material and was provided to the Minister in her official capacity as Minister for Transport Infrastructure.

這些簡報是關於腐敗和 CFMEU 的非常直接的資料，並以她身為交通基礎設施部長的官方身份提供給了部長。

The government has refused to make them public because it says the emails contain private information and could endanger a person's safety.

政府拒絕公開這些簡報，因為他們表示這些電子郵件包含私人資訊，可能會危及個人安全。

The opposition is now calling for a Royal Commission.

反對黨現在呼籲成立皇家調查委員會。

The powers to compel evidence, the powers to put people on the stand and the powers to do that in a comprehensive way.

強制提供證據的權力、讓證人上庭作證的權力，以及以全面方式行使這些權力的權力。

This issue won't and shouldn't go away without accountability, that it impacts on every Victorian, to varying degrees, the rest of the country and that I said that Victorians have a right to know.

這個問題不會也不應該在沒有問責的情況下消失，因為這會影響到每個維多利亞人，程度不一，也影響到國家其他地方，而且我說過，維多利亞人有權知道真相。

I do not think the Victorian government will have the courage, or less, may I say, the audacity to create a Royal Commission because they know fully that it would end up being a commission into their own role, into this very sad and tragic situation that's developed over the last decade.

我認為維多利亞州政府沒有勇氣，或者說，我敢說，沒有膽量成立皇家調查委員會，因為他們很清楚這最終會變成針對他們自己角色的調查，針對過去十年來發展出的這個非常悲傷和悲劇性的情況的調查。