Name: 德國跨大西洋協調員 Metin Hakverdi：歐洲正變得更主權獨立｜DW 新聞 (Germany’s Transatlantic coordinator Metin Hakverdi: Europe is becoming more sovereign | DW News)
Uploaded: 2026-02-17T17:15:30.000Z
Duration: 11 min 20 s

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Miss Akbadi, you're the Special Coordinator of transatlantic relations between Germany and the US and you will be coordinating everything.

Akbadi女士，您是德國與美國之間跨大西洋關係的特使，您將負責協調一切。

We heard from the German Chancellor, from U.S. secretary Rubio.

我們聽了德國總理、美國國務卿魯比歐的發言。

Valentine's card here from the Munich Security Conference.

這是來自慕尼黑安全會議的情人節卡片。

So we were putting particular emphasis on the speech, everybody, because of the speech of J.D.

所以，各位，我們特別強調了這場演講，因為J.D.的演講。

So obviously we all compare the two speeches.

所以很明顯，我們都將兩場演講進行了比較。

And yes, it was, of course, much milder in this tone and what we heard, but

是的，當然，它的語氣溫和多了，而且我們聽到的，但是

it also recognized what happened over the past year.

也點出了過去一年發生的事情。

vance speech was a year ago, and the Chancellor, he referred to that speech in his speech today.

Vance 的演講是在一年前，而德國總理在他今天的演講中也提到了那場演講。

So this was more or less an answer not only to the speech of J.D.

vance last year, what the Chancellor said, but also recognized what happened in between.

Vance 去年演講的回應，以及德國總理所說的，同時也點出了這段時間發生的事。

So we had an election in Germany, we amended the Constitution, we had challenges within the.

我們在德國進行了選舉，修改了憲法，我們在聯盟內部也面臨挑戰。

Within the alliance concerning Greenland and others, but

在聯盟內部關於格陵蘭和其他事項，但是

we were developing a lot and coming back, so to speak, for our security in Europe.

我們發展了很多，可以說是為了歐洲的安全而回歸。

And this is what Marco Rubio also had to refer to.

這也是馬可·魯比歐必須提到的。

We delivered something in between, and that's why it sounded a lot milder.

我們在這段時間內有所作為，這也是為什麼聽起來溫和多了。

So, yes, there was a good signaling to work together with the Europeans.

所以，是的，這是一個與歐洲人合作的良好訊號。

Obviously, issues remain to be talked about, but this was a good start for this.

很明顯，還有一些問題需要討論，但這是一個好的開始。

I would say, to use the terminology of the Chancellor, the New World Order or after the Old World Order, to get to work together.

我會說，沿用德國總理的說法，新世界秩序或在舊世界秩序之後，開始一起合作。

You're sounding incredibly diplomatic there.

But at the same time, the White House posted a Valentine's card which has a big heart with Greenland in it.

但同時，白宮發布了一張情人節卡片，上面有一個大大的愛心，裡面是格陵蘭。

And Greenland clearly was the turning point that US claim to potentially take over Greenland.

而格陵蘭顯然是美國主張可能接管格陵蘭的轉捩點。

現在，這件事已經緩和了，但是

the Europeans did change their tone and we heard a German Chancellor being a lot more assertive in saying, the MAGA movement does not resonate with the Europeans.

歐洲人確實改變了他們的語氣，我們聽到德國總理更加堅定地表示，MAGA運動無法引起歐洲人的共鳴。

And on the other hand, we heard from Marco Rubio saying, we're doing all of this because we care, but

另一方面，我們聽到馬可·魯比歐說，我們做這一切是因為我們關心，但

not going back on any of the demands towards the Europeans, not just on defence, but

並沒有放棄對歐洲人的任何要求，不僅僅是防務，還有

also in terms of values, migration, cooperation with far right parties here in Europe.

在價值觀、移民、與歐洲極右翼政黨合作等方面。

So has anything really changed here at the Munich Security Conference, or is it just different language that we've heard?

所以，在慕尼黑安全會議上，真的有什麼改變了嗎？還是我們聽到的只是不同的說法？

It is different language, as I just described, and

正如我剛才描述的，語言確實不同了，而且

it's not just diplomatic and problems are still on the ground.

這不只是外交辭令，問題仍然存在。

So I think the Greenland issue will come back in some sort of.

所以我認為格陵蘭的問題會以某種形式再次出現。

But we showed in the first instance, so to speak that Europe is united on this one, that we are willing to draw a line in the sand and say this is the limit of it.

但我們在第一時間，可以說是展現了歐洲在這件事上的團結，我們願意劃下底線，表明這就是極限。

And concerning the culture war that to be carried from the US to Munich here, which I would argue JD Vance attempted last year, the Chancellor was very clear about this as well.

還有關於從美國帶到慕尼黑的安全會議的文化戰爭，我認為 J.D. Vance 去年就試圖這樣做，德國總理對此也說得很清楚。

Language has changed, but in the issues themselves, we are much clearer on the ground.

語言改變了，但在問題本身上，我們在現場的立場更清楚了。

I've never seen the Chancellor being that clear that we do not want this interference on questions of our democracy, our sovereignty for itself.

我從沒見過德國總理這麼清楚地表明，我們不希望干涉我們的民主、我們的主權。

And that includes not only right wing parties, as you said, and

這不只包括右翼政黨，就像你說的，還有

the influence in our system, but also the digital services from American companies in Germany.

我們體系內的影響力，也包括德國境內美國公司的數位服務。

No, this is a dynamic process and we are becoming more sovereign.

不，這是一個動態的過程，我們正變得越來越有主權。

And in a worst case scenario, this will be the separation of North America and Europe.

最糟的情況下，這將是北美洲和歐洲的分離。

In a best case scenario, we're getting prepared for a future where we are a stronger, better partner that is more self confident.

最好的情況是，我們正為一個更強大、更好的夥伴關係做準備，這個夥伴關係會更有自信。

And I think you could read that in the Chancellor's speech as well.

我想你也可以從德國總理的演講中讀到這一點。

Well, he spoke of wanting to refound those relationships rather than repair.

嗯，他談到的是想要重塑這些關係，而不是修補。

And you going into the tonality a bit, we heard Marco Rubio really wanting to keep that what he called an internal bond that is there.

你稍微注意一下語氣，我們聽到馬可·魯比歐真的想維持他所說的那種內在的連結。

But beyond that language, there is policy that also speaks a very clear language.

但除了這些話之外，還有政策也說得很清楚。

The lack of support for Ukraine, for instance.

That is clear criticism from the US side that Europeans should be able to deal with their own issues on their own turf.

這是美國方面明確的批評，認為歐洲人應該能夠在自己的土地上處理自己的問題。

Okay, well, we need to engage full with this administration because the focus has been away from the central government recently.

好的，那我們需要全力支持這個政府，因為最近的重心已經不在中央政府了。

It was more towards the individual US States, wasn't it?

而是比較偏向美國的各個州，對吧？

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

往好的方面想，為最壞的情況做準備。

Marco Rubio didn't mention Russia in his speech.

馬可·魯比歐在演講中沒有提到俄羅斯。

He was questioned after his speech from Wolfgang Isinger.

沃爾夫岡·伊辛格在演講後質詢了他。

So that is one of the issues that remain.

所以這就是其中一個懸而未決的問題。

On the other hand, I 100% agree with Chancellor Merz.

另一方面，我百分之百同意梅爾茲總理的看法。

No matter what will happen in Washington, no matter what will happen in Moscow and Beijing and in Berlin.

無論華盛頓會發生什麼，無論莫斯科、北京和柏林會發生什麼。

There will be no back to normal of the good old transatlantic times because the world has changed, Russia has changed, China has changed.

因為世界已經改變，俄羅斯已經改變，中國也已經改變，過去那美好的跨大西洋時光將不復存在。

我們必須找到新的方式來做到這一點。

Remember that German debate about amending the Constitution?

還記得德國關於修改憲法的辯論嗎？

We will be the Exporter of security in Lithuania.

我們將成為立陶宛的安全出口國。

It's not only that 5,000 German troops are being stationed in Lithuania.

不只是有五千名德國阿兵哥駐紮在立陶宛。

Their families will be living there, 50 km away from the border.

他們的家人也會在那裡生活，距離邊界五十公里。

We are doing that what the US did in Europe for over six or seven decades after World War II.

我們正在做美國在二次世界大戰後，在歐洲做了六、七十年的事情。

So, of course, this relationship changes.

所以，當然，這種關係也在改變。

What we can do is we can prepare for the worst, we can also get prepared for the best.

我們可以做的是，我們可以為最壞的情況做好準備，我們也可以為最好的情況做好準備。

And if the better future comes up, we are a good partner.

如果美好的未來到來，我們就是一個好夥伴。

If the worst thing is coming up, we are sovereign, more sovereign than we used to be in the past.

如果最壞的情況發生，我們是主權國家，比過去更主權。

And there's the room for maneuvering on both sides.

And I think what's very important is remember that Matt's speech yesterday, the last part he translated into English, Right.

我認為非常重要的是，要記得馬特昨天演講的最後一部分，他翻譯成了英文，對吧。

So that is the main message for our American friends.

所以這就是我們想傳達給美國朋友的主要訊息。

We truly believe that NATO is not just a goodie for Europeans and only we need NATO to support our security for the future.

我們真的相信，北約不只是歐洲人的福利，也不只是我們需要北約來支持我們未來的安全。

It's also in the interest of the United States.

This is what we believe, and we are ready for this.

這就是我們的信念，我們也準備好了。

If Washington believes that NATO is just a burden for them, then we're getting prepared on the European NATO side.

如果華盛頓認為北約只是他們的負擔，那麼我們歐洲的北約這邊就會做好準備。

But if they believe that China is maybe bigger, the challenges out there are so big that we are.

但如果他們認為中國的威脅可能更大，外面的挑戰這麼嚴峻，那麼我們。

There is a mutual benefit on both sides, then we are ready to.

雙方都有互惠互利的空間，那我們就準備好。

we will see how this develops, but we are ready for it.

我們會看著事態如何發展，但我們已經準備好了。

You will be in the thick of it, though, as well.

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