Name: 美國亞利桑那州真實犯罪記者、前FBI幹員深入剖析 Nancy Guthrie 失蹤案！ (Arizona true crime correspondent, former FBI operative discuss Nancy Guthrie missing person case)
Uploaded: 2026-02-16T23:06:05.000Z
Duration: 11 min

Welcome back to a special edition of the Daily Report search for Nancy Guthrie.

歡迎回到「每日報導」特別節目，尋找 Nancy Guthrie。

CBS News senior coordinating producer for our crime and Public safety Unit.

我們犯罪與公共安全部門的 CBS News 資深協調製作人。

Anna Schechter is with me this hour as we examine every question you have with reporters, law enforcement experts, security experts.

Anna Schechter 這小時和我一起，我們將和記者、執法專家、安全專家一起檢視你們所有人的問題。

We're answering your questions and we know the FBI has doubled the reward for any information leading to the 84 year old mother of Today show co host Savannah Guthrie or an arrest in the case.

我們正在回答你們的問題，而且我們知道 FBI 已經將懸賞金加倍，希望能提供任何能找到 Today show 聯合主持人 Savannah Guthrie 84 歲母親的線索，或是逮捕嫌犯。

She is a true crime correspondent for 3TV and CBS 5 in Arizona.

她是 3TV 和 CBS 5 的真實犯罪記者。

She's also the host of of the True Crime Arizona podcast and has been closely following the developments in this case.

她也是 True Crime Arizona podcast 的主持人，並且一直密切關注此案的進展。

Brianna, you've been going down to Tucson.

What is the latest on what you have to report today?

你今天有什麼最新消息可以報導？

Yeah, so I just interviewed Sheriff Nanos not too long ago.

是的，我剛剛採訪了 Nanos 警長。

I think one of the items of note is that he is saying that the Guthrie family is not cleared as of now and that nobody is cleared.

我認為值得一提的是，他說 Guthrie 家人目前還沒被排除嫌疑，也沒有任何人被排除。

He even went as far to say that the man that they detained and released the other night is also not officially cleared.

他甚至說，前幾天他們拘留又釋放的那個人，官方也還沒排除他的嫌疑。

So it seems that they really have not made a lot of progress in terms of ruling people out.

所以看來，他們在排除嫌疑人方面，真的沒什麼進展。

I also asked him about the whole controversy between where the DNA is being tested.

我也問了他關於 DNA 檢測地點的整個爭議。

He says that he is working in tandem with the FBI, that there is not tension.

他說他正與 FBI 協調合作，並沒有緊張關係。

But I did ask him, you know, he had told me that the rapid DNA testing was down broken in Tucson last week.

不過我問了他，你知道的，他告訴我 Tucson 上週的快速 DNA 檢測系統壞了。

That's why they used a Phoenix lab earlier.

這就是為什麼他們之前用了 Phoenix 的實驗室。

And I asked him if that had been fixed because obviously in this case rapid DNA testing is a huge investigative tool and lead when you're trying to at least get to the lab next.

我問他那個問題是否已經修好了，因為顯然在這個案子裡，快速 DNA 檢測是一個非常重要的調查工具，也是你至少要送到實驗室的線索。

And he said he wasn't sure if that was fixed yet.

他說他還不確定是否已經修好了。

So definitely still some clarification that needs to be had in the investigation.

所以調查中還有一些需要釐清的地方。

And how are authorities treating this versus other cases, Brianna?

Brianna，當局是如何處理這個案子，跟其他案子比起來呢？

You know, I think they want to treat this the same as other cases, but

我想他們是想和其他案子一樣處理，但

the reality is it is not the same as other cases.

事實上，這和其他案子不一樣。

This is one of the most unusual, most bizarre and quite frankly most heartbreaking cases because there's so much mystery here.

這是最不尋常、最離奇，而且說實話，最令人心碎的案件之一，因為這裡有太多謎團。

And I think that's what has people kind of hanging on every little update.

我想這就是為什麼大家都在關注每一個小小的進展。

I think where they're struggling is that they're not used to putting out updates all the time.

我想他們掙扎的地方在於，他們不習慣隨時發布更新。

And so when you have the public that wants things in real time 24 7, it seems that they're holding more to the vest and not being as approachable, maybe available to the media as they might be in an investigation, but

所以當民眾想要即時、全天候的資訊時，他們似乎更保守，對媒體的態度可能不像在其他調查中那麼開放或隨時可得，但

I think the other kind of part to that is that the sheriff's department did what they needed to do and then they processed that scene and then they cleared the scene at Nancy Guthrie's home.

我想另一部分是，警長部門做了他們該做的事，然後他們處理了 Nancy Guthrie 家的現場，接著就清空了現場。

now you have the FBI who's saying, yeah, we got to go back in here and look at these things again.

現在 FBI 也說了，是啊，我們得回去這裡再檢查一次。

And unfortunately, because there isn't crime tape up there, you've had people who have been up and down that driveway near the home potentially contaminating the scene.

不幸的是，因為那裡沒有拉起封鎖線，所以有很多人進進出出這條車道，靠近房子，可能會汙染現場。

So I think they, they need to adjust a bit.

所以我覺得他們，他們需要做點調整。

The FBI trying to do what they can now on this side of things.

FBI 正在試著在這方面盡力而為。

But the reality is this just is not a typical case in the least.

但現實是，這根本不是一個典型的案件。

I also think we are insatiable for every little detail and update in this case.

我也覺得我們對這個案子的每一個細節和更新都感到非常渴望。

Like a car moves an inch, you know, it becomes a new headline.

就像車子移動了一點點，你知道，就變成了一個新的頭條。

And there, you know, the area has just been surrounded with true crime influencers and bloggers and they don't necessarily have the same rigorous journalistic standards that legacy media does, that AZ Family does, or CBS News does.

而且，你知道，這個區域被真實犯罪的網紅和部落客包圍著，他們不一定有像傳統媒體、AZ Family 或 CBS News 那樣嚴謹的新聞標準。

And how is that sort of contributing to not only the spectacle, but

這又是如何助長了不只是這個轟動，還有

is it also influencing law enforcement's work?

是否也影響了執法單位的工作？

It's really influencing how everybody's functioning, even the journalists, because you have people who are putting out every little movement, every, every tiny detail.

這真的影響了每個人的運作方式，就連記者也是，因為有人會發布每一個小動作、每一個微小的細節。

And the, the problem, or I mean, it's good in that people are paying attention the public.

而問題是，或者我是說，這有好的一面，就是大家都在關注，公眾。

But the problem is that when you have these platforms like TikTok and Instagram and Twitter, where people are just posting things in real time without potentially vetting what they're doing, because these, these, you know, somewhat bloggers don't have the same kind of ethics that they have to go through or certain even legalities that they have to go through.

但問題是，當你有像 TikTok、Instagram 和 Twitter 這樣的平臺，人們只是即時發布東西，卻沒有經過潛在的審核，因為這些，這些，你知道，有點像部落客，沒有像我們一樣嚴謹的新聞標準，也沒有必須遵守的法律規定。

they seem to want every little piece of video and movement in this case, which is, you know, completely unusual for a case like that, it's forcing the journalists to also then ask the sheriff's department and the FBI constantly about every little movement.

他們似乎想要這個案子的每一個小片段和動態，這，你知道，對於這樣的案件來說是完全不尋常的，這也迫使記者不斷地向警長辦公室和 FBI 詢問每一個小動作。

And I honestly think they've been frustrated by that, the agencies, because they're like, look, we don't typically talk about every little search or deputies out here asking questions.

我老實說，我覺得執法單位對此感到很沮喪，因為他們會說，看，我們通常不會討論每一次的搜查，或是警員在這裡問問題。

That's just part of every investigation that we ever do.

這只是我們每次調查都會發生的事情。

And so that's really changed the game on this.

But when you have these platforms, these video platforms where people are consuming clips at a rapid fire pace, it can be really hard to keep up with.

但當你有這些平臺，這些影音平臺，大家都在快速地看短片，要跟上真的會很困難。

And I think that's something that everybody's been struggling with.

我覺得這點是大家都在努力克服的。

But when you're in the spotlight as the lead agency on this Pima County Sheriff's Department and the FBI, you have even more scrutiny over it.

但當你身處鎂光燈下，又是這個案件的主要負責單位，像是 Pima County Sheriff's Department 和 FBI，你們就會面臨更大的檢視。

And you can listen to Brianna's True Crime Arizona podcast wherever you get your podcasts.

你可以在任何收聽 Podcast 的地方，收聽 Brianna 的 True Crime Arizona podcast。

An apparent ransom note relating to the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie demanded payment in the cryptocurrency Bitcoin.

一份據稱與 Nancy Guthrie 失蹤案有關的贖金通知，要求以加密貨幣 Bitcoin 支付。

Now, this case has reignited questions over how difficult that can be to trace.

現在，這個案子又重新點燃了關於追蹤這類支付有多困難的質疑。

He's a former FBI counterintelligence operative.

He's also author of the book Spies, Lies and Cybercrime Cybersecurity Tactics to Outsmart Hackers and Disarm Scammers.

他也是《Spies, Lies and Cybersecurity Tactics to Outsmart Hackers and Disarm Scammers》這本書的作者。

Eric, can you first explain what make cryptocurrency and bitcoin particularly unique and potentially, potentially appealing to people who might not have the best intentions?

Eric，您能先解釋一下，是什麼讓加密貨幣和比特幣如此獨特，並且可能吸引那些意圖不軌的人嗎？

Well, look, first of all, cryptocurrency drives cybercrime.

嗯，你看，首先，加密貨幣推動了網路犯罪。

It's the way that cybercriminals get paid.

這是網路犯罪分子賺錢的方式。

It's the way that they hide that money, money from law enforcement.

這也是他們藏匿資金、躲避執法部門追查的方式。

And there is a great cat and mouse game on the dark web to try to hunt that cyber crime.

在暗網上，有一場你追我趕的遊戲，試圖追捕這些網路犯罪。

Now, the misconception is that cryptocurrency is anonymous.

現在，一個常見的誤解是，加密貨幣是匿名的。

Cryptocurrency is all part of a public ledger on something called the blockchain.

加密貨幣全都在一個叫做區塊鏈的公開帳本上。

Think of it like a huge vault with infinite number of lockboxes, and

想像一下，這就像一個有無限個鎖箱的巨大金庫，

you can buy cryptocurrency, and it goes into your lockbox, and only you have the keys.

你可以買加密貨幣，它會進入你的鎖箱，而且只有你擁有鑰匙。

And if you send cryptocurrency to someone else, it just moves from your lockbox to their locked box on the ledger, and

如果你把加密貨幣發送給別人，它只是從你的鎖箱移動到帳本上對方的鎖箱，

So to say we're going to put Bitcoin in that wallet would be a misstatement.

所以說我們要將比特幣放入那個錢包，這是一種誤述。

And what they're hoping is that they get that cryptocurrency, they'll own the bitcoin.

他們希望的是，他們拿到加密貨幣，他們就會擁有比特幣。

And what that means is that the FBI can watch every transaction and that hits that wallet and then where that cryptocurrency moves.

這意味著 FBI 可以監控每一筆進出那個錢包的交易，以及加密貨幣的流向。

But, Eric, correct me if I'm wrong, our name isn't on the lockbox.

不過 Eric，如果我沒記錯的話，我們的名字並沒有寫在那個鎖箱上。

它是在一個公開的帳本上，沒有名字。

So what the FBI has to do is follow the cryptocurrency.

所以 FBI 要做的，就是追蹤那些加密貨幣。

What will happen is they'll put it in that wallet, and

接下來會發生的事是，他們會把錢放進那個錢包，

then the criminals, if they're wise and smart will try to move it.

然後那些罪犯，如果他們夠聰明的話，就會試圖轉移它。

And what they do is try to launder that money through what's called mixers on the dark web that put a lot of different cryptocurrency in one box, in one wallet, and

他們會試圖透過所謂的「混幣器」來洗錢，這些混幣器會把很多不同的加密貨幣放進同一個箱子、同一個錢包裡，

The FBI, though, is very adept at following that money.

不過，FBI 在追蹤這些錢方面，可是非常厲害的。

And what they do is they follow the transaction by transaction by transaction using a tool that we call chain analysis.

他們會透過我們稱為鏈上分析的工具，逐筆追蹤交易。

這部分由我的公司 Nexishore 負責。

And when you follow it until it finally goes to a regulated entity like a bank or a entity like Coinbase, because at some point, the bad guys have to turn that cryptocurrency into money, otherwise they can't spend it.

當你一路追蹤到最後，它流向像銀行這樣的正規機構，或是像 Coinbase 這樣的平臺，因為總有一天，壞人必須把加密貨幣換成現金，不然他們也花不掉。

And it's at that point that the FBI can hopefully freeze the cryptocurrency, determine who owns that final wallet that is connected to a regulated bank, and

而這時候，FBI 就有機會凍結加密貨幣，找出那個連結到正規銀行的最終錢包是誰的，

then have an identity of a cybercriminal or one of their associates.

然後就能得知這個網路罪犯或其同夥的身分。

And Eric, a man was arrested for allegedly sending an imposter random demand to the Guthrie family.

Eric，一名男子因涉嫌向 Guthrie 家人發送冒充勒索訊息而被捕。

So how common are fraud attempts like this, demanding payment in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies?

那麼，這種要求以比特幣或其他加密貨幣支付的詐騙嘗試有多常見？

Cyber criminals launch these scams throughout the year, usually around holidays.

網路罪犯全年都會發動這些騙局，通常在假期前後。

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