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Uploaded: 2026-02-11T17:11:27.000Z
Duration: 9 min 40 s

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Well, we are going to be speaking to Congressman Kana in just a few moments.

好的，我們幾分鐘後就會訪問國會議員 Kana。

But first of all, let's get an initial thought from our panel.

但首先，我們先聽聽我們 panel 的初步想法。

We're joined tonight by Abel Maldonado, former Republican Lieutenant Governor of California, and

今晚加入我們的是前加州共和黨籍副州長 Abel Maldonado，以及

Stephanie Rawlings Blake, the former mayor of Baltimore.

前巴爾的摩市長 Stephanie Rawlings Blake。

It was initially the Republicans who were making the running on releasing these files and putting so much pressure on.

最初是共和黨員積極推動發布這些文件並施加巨大壓力。

We saw that from President Trump himself in the election campaign in 2024.

我們從川普總統在 2024 年的選舉活動中就看到了這一點。

Why, why does it now seem like it's the Democrats pushing for more information, for more unredacted files to be shared?

為什麼現在看起來像是民主黨員在推動獲取更多資訊、更多未經刪節的文件？

Well, first of all, let's start by saying that this is gross.

嗯，首先，讓我們說這真的很糟糕。

This is incredible, what we're witnessing.

我們現在看到的真是太不可思議了。

Every day, something new comes out, a new story.

每天都有新消息、新故事冒出來。

And to have these elite people abusing voiceless and vulnerable people in our country and obviously throughout the world is just unacceptable.

我們國家，當然還有全世界，這些菁英竟然虐待沒有聲音的弱勢群體，這根本是無法接受的。

I think we're past the debate of who's holding back or who's not.

我認為我們已經過了爭論誰在阻撓、誰沒有的階段了。

A law has been signed, and it's to disclose and release all of the documents.

法律已經簽署了，就是要公開並發布所有文件。

There's been some redactions, obviously, that I would like to see for young individuals to not hurt them anymore.

顯然有些刪節，我希望看到這些刪節能讓年輕人不再受傷害。

But the law states release the documents, and I think that's where we're at.

但法律規定要發布文件，我認為這就是我們現在的狀況。

Let's move forward and let's get justice for these vulnerable people.

讓我們向前邁進，為這些弱勢群體爭取正義。

And, Stephanie, it was only a few days ago that President Trump was talking about it was time to move on from the Epstein files.

而且，Stephanie，就在幾天前，川普總統還在說，是時候放下 Epstein 的文件了。

But actually, what we're seeing is the opposite.

但實際上，我們看到的是相反的情況。

We are seeing that push by the survivors, by their lawyers, by members of Congress.

我們看到的是受害者、他們的律師、國會議員們的推動。

And this is really building in momentum, it feels.

這股動力真的越來越強，感覺是這樣。

I think people see very clearly that this administration was forced with one arm, you know, dragged behind its back, forced into signing the Epstein Transparency Act.

我認為大家看得非常清楚，這屆政府是被迫的，像是被綁住一隻手，在背後被拖著，被迫簽署了愛潑斯坦透明法案。

And Trump and the DOJ has done everything since to slow walk this process.

從那之後，川普和司法部一直在拖延這個過程。

That is not transparency, that is not justice.

And the public is overwhelmingly siding with the survivors, and

大眾絕大多數都站在受害者這邊，

they want to see people pay for this horrific behavior.

而且他們希望看到這些人為這種可怕的行為付出代價。

Okay, Stephanie, Abel, we will be back with you very shortly.

好的，Stephanie，Abel，我們很快就會回來。

Well, let's speak now to Congressman Ro Khanna.

那我們現在來訪問國會議員 Ro Khanna。

He sponsored the Epstein Files Transparency act with his Republican colleague, Congressman Thomas Massie, and

他與他的共和黨同事 Congressman Thomas Massie 一同提出了愛潑斯坦文件透明法案，而且

they have both been reviewing some of those unredacted documents.

而且他們都一直在審閱那些未經刪節的文件。

So let's speak to Congressman Ro Khanna now, who joins us live from the Hill.

好的，我們現在就來連線訪問國會議員 Ro Khanna，他人在國會山莊。

Now, I know you viewed these files yesterday and you have named six individuals on the floor of the House today.

我知道您昨天看過了這些文件，而且您今天在眾議院裡點名了六位人士。

For the purposes of this live interview, I'm going to ask you not to repeat those names in this form.

為了這次的現場訪問，我必須請您不要在這裡重複這些名字。

We don't enjoy the same privilege that you do on the floor of the House.

我們不像您在眾議院那樣享有相同的權利。

But can you speak to us broadly about what you saw in those files yesterday at the Department of Justice?

但您能大概跟我們談談您昨天在司法部看到了什麼嗎？

Katrina, those names that I said on the floor have actually now been acknowledged by the Justice Department.

Katrina，我在眾議院裡說出的那些名字，司法部現在已經承認了。

Then Massey and I said there's no reason for those to be redacted.

然後我和 Massey 說，這些沒有理由要被刪節。

The Justice Department acknowledged that.

But there are many more such names in the files that need to be made public.

但文件裡還有更多需要公開的這類名字。

And the biggest problem is that the FBI redacted files back in March at Trump's direction, and

最大的問題是，FBI 在三月時聽從川普的訓示刪節了文件，而且

those files still are redacted even in what they're showing members of Congress.

即使是他們現在給國會議員看的版本，那些文件依然被刪節。

And how can you force that, given what's in the act that is law.

而且，考量到已經簽署成為法律的法案內容，你該怎麼強制執行？

It's been signed into law by the president now.

這項法律已經由總統簽署生效了。

Well, Katrina, that's a pretty remarkable question.

嗯，Katrina，這真是個很了不起的問題。

You're saying, how can I force the Department of Justice and the FBI to follow the law because they're breaking the law.

你的意思是，我該怎麼強迫司法部和 FBI 遵守法律，因為他們正在違法？

And one of the things we need to do is go to a judge and say, look, the FBI is supposed to unscrub those files.

我們需要找法官，跟他說，FBI 應該要公開這些文件。

The second thing we can do is to make it clear that people who are not complying with the law will have prosecution in a future administration.

第二件事是，我們要讓大家知道，不遵守法律的人，在未來的政府裡會面臨起訴。

But the third and most important thing is the public pressure.

但第三件也是最重要的事，就是大眾的壓力。

That's how we've gotten the largest release of these Epstein files in American history.

這就是我們為什麼能公開美國史上最多筆的 Epstein 文件。

That's how this has created a scandal that is toppling foreign governments and created a enormous amount of pressure here.

這也造成了醜聞，導致外國政府垮臺，並在這裡造成了巨大的壓力。

So I think the American public will demand the release.

所以我認為美國大眾會要求公開。

Now, given that inclusion in these files doesn't automatically equate with wrongdoing, there are many people whose names are mentioned there who are completely innocent.

現在，考量到這些文件裡的名字不代表他們一定有錯，裡面有很多人被點名但完全是清白的。

Did you get any explanation as to how the redaction policy was applied?

你有得到任何解釋，關於刪節政策是如何被應用的嗎？

Some of the Department of Justice redactions were reasonable.

他們正在刪節受害者、女性的名字。

I think they over redacted any female name because they said, well, this person, even if they were conspiring with Epstein, may have been a survivor.

我認為他們過度刪節了任何女性的名字，因為他們說，嗯，這個人，即使她與愛潑斯坦串謀，也可能是受害者。

The problem is they also protected some of these men who were named as coconspirators or who were doing things that were allegedly illegal.

問題是，他們也保護了一些被點名為共謀者或從事非法活動的男性。

And the biggest issue is that Trump's FBI scrubbed these documents back in March, and

而最大的問題是，川普的 FBI 在三月就已經清理了這些文件，

those scrubbed documents are what was sent to doj.

而這些被清理過的文件就是提交給司法部的。

In terms of the UK interest in much of this and the relationship that Andrew Mountbatten Windsor had with Jeffrey Epstein, the King has said that the Royal family will cooperate with Thames Valley Police, one of the police forces in the uk, on this.

關於英國對這件事的興趣，以及安德魯·蒙巴頓-溫莎與傑弗瑞·愛潑斯坦的關係，國王已經表示，王室將與英國的警力之一泰晤士河谷警局合作。

Do you have a message for King Charles for what he should advise his brother to do, or as head of the Royal Family, what he should perhaps instruct him to do?

你有什麼話要對查爾斯國王說，告訴他應該建議他的兄弟做什麼，或者作為王室首長，他應該訓示他做什麼嗎？

I think the King has already been paying attention to what Thomas Massey and I said.

我認為國王已經注意到我和湯瑪斯·馬西說的話了。

I gave an interview saying that this may put the British monarchy in jeopardy.

我接受了採訪，說這可能會讓英國王室陷入險境。

And the next thing I know, King Charles said, well, we should have a political prosecution, or, I mean, independent prosecution, investigation of his brother.

接下來我知道，查爾斯國王說，嗯，我們應該進行政治起訴，或者，我的意思是，獨立起訴，調查他的兄弟。

My advice would be to come clean, to do a, a press conference with the British people, the American people, of what the Royal family knew, what their action they're going to, going to take.

我的建議是坦白從寬，召開記者會，向英國人民、美國人民說明王室知道些什麼，以及他們將要採取的行動。

They should probably be compensating some of these survivors for the horrors they've, that have taken place.

他們應該補償一些受害者，為所發生的恐怖事件。

And we should just say that Andrew has completely denied any, any wrongdoing there, Congressman.

而且我們應該說，安德魯已經完全否認在那裡有任何不當行為，國會議員。

So if you're talking about compensation, so on, there has been a historic settlement with one individual, but

所以如果你談論補償，那麼，雖然有一位個人達成了歷史性的和解，但是

But I' take your point there about sharing that information.

但我明白你關於分享這些資訊的觀點。

And aside from a press conference, would you like to see Andrew Mountbatten Windsor come to the US and speak to yourself and your colleagues?

而且除了記者會之外，你希望安德魯·蒙巴頓·溫莎來到美國，跟你和你的同事們談談嗎？

And it's not just the compensation in terms of.

It's clear that the Royal Family, from all I've seen, have not been transparent there.

從我看到的一切來看，皇室在那裡顯然一直不夠透明。

They finally are now saying there should be an investigation.

他們現在終於說應該要進行調查了。

These women have been denied justice and they've been denied justice by the powers that be in our country and in Britain and around the world.

這些女性被剝奪了正義，而且被我們國家、英國以及全世界的當權者剝奪了正義。

And I think there has to be a reckoning with that of the global elite.

我認為全球菁英必須對此負責。

And equally in relation to the Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer and Peter Mandelson, we saw the Prime Minister on very shaky ground just yesterday.

同樣地，關於首相凱爾·史達瑪爵士和彼得·曼德森，我們昨天看到首相的處境非常不穩。

He has recovered from that at this point.