Name: 共和黨眾議員拿川普的羞辱開玩笑！ (GOP rep. pokes fun at Trump’s insult of him)
Uploaded: 2026-02-08T17:08:41.000Z
Duration: 9 min 41 s

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Republicans have just one vote to spare with their razor thin majority in the House.

Republicans 在眾議院以極小的優勢僅剩一席。

But one Republican has drawn more ire from President Trump than any other.

但其中一位共和黨人惹惱 President Trump 的程度，比其他任何人都嚴重。

This was Friday at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington.

這是週五在華盛頓舉行的 National Prayer Breakfast 上發生的事。

No matter what we do, this moron, no matter what it is, will get 100% vote.

不管我們做什麼，這個白痴，不管是什麼，都會得到 100% 的支持。

除了這個叫做 Thomas Massie 的人。

Thomas Massie, a libertarian minded conservative, has represented Northern Kentucky since 2012.

Thomas Massie，一位 libertarian minded conservative，自 2012 年以來一直代表 Northern Kentucky。

A perennial no vote on spending bills and now a leader in pushing for the full release of the Epstein files over the President's furious objections.

他是 spending bills 的慣常反對者，現在更是帶頭推動 Epstein files 的全面公開，對抗 President's furious objections。

He joins me now live from his farm in Kentucky.

他現在 live 來到我的節目，就在他位於 Kentucky 的農場。

Congressman Massie, thank you so much for being here.

Massie 議員，非常感謝您接受訪問。

I do want to ask you about that comment from the President of the United States, insulting you like that at the National Prayer Breakfast.

我確實想問您關於 President of the United States 在 National Prayer Breakfast 上對您說的那番侮辱性評論。

Well, first of all, I'm glad to know I'm in the President's prayers.

嗯，首先，我很高興知道我在 President 的祈禱之中。

But second of all, you know, on the Internet, some people have suggested that MIT should take my degree away.

但其次，你知道，在 Internet 上，有些人建議 MIT 應該收回我的 degree。

And my response is, which one should they take away?

我的回應是，他們應該收回哪一個？

I have two degrees from mit and I'm sorry, you booked a moron today on your show.

我有兩個 MIT 的 degree，我很抱歉，你今天節目請到了一個笨蛋。

I do want to talk to you about your fight to release the Epstein files in a minute, but

我一會兒想跟您聊聊您為釋出 Epstein files 所做的努力，但

first I want to get your reaction to the news about how the President posted, then deleted this racist video depicting the Obama as apes.

首先，我想聽聽您對 President 發布後又刪除這段將 Obamas 描繪成猿猴的 racist video 的看法。

Do you think he should apologize to the Obamas?

你覺得他應該向 Obamas 說聲抱歉嗎？

I mean, he's attacked my wife recently online and I do think there are limits if for a while it's kind of funny, but

我的意思是，他最近在網路上攻擊我的妻子，我覺得是有個限度的，雖然一開始有點好笑，但是

once you pass certain, certain guardrails, like attacking a man's spouse or getting into racist tropes, I think it's somebody at the White House, maybe Susie Wiles needs to go to the President and just ask him for his phone and maybe ask him just to show him the tweet before he sends it out.

一旦你越過了某些界線，像是攻擊別人的配偶，或是使用種族歧視的陳腔濫調，我認為白宮裡有人，也許是 Susie Wiles，應該去跟 President 說，把他的手機拿過來，在他發推文之前，給他看一看。

對，我就是，我真的這麼覺得。

Just to follow up on your wife because it is alarming.

只是想針對你太太的事情補充一下，因為這真的很令人擔憂。

He's multiple times he has gone after her in social media posts.

他已經在社群媒體上好幾次攻擊她了。

我的意思是，這讓你有多生氣？

It doesn't make me angry, but it's unfair to my spouse.

這不會讓我生氣，但對我的配偶來說很不公平。

I mean, look, Donald Trump was giving to Democrats when my wife was working for Right to Work and Campaign for Liberty.

我的意思是，你看，在我太太為 Right to Work 和 Campaign for Liberty 工作的時候，Donald Trump 可是捐錢給民主黨的。

And Rand Paul, in fact, worked in Rand Paul's office over a decade ago, back when Donald Trump was still a Democrat.

事實上，十幾年前 Donald Trump 還是民主黨的時候，Rand Paul 也在 Rand Paul 的辦公室工作過。

Fortunately, everything he says about her is untrue, but it's beyond the pale.

幸好，他說關於她的所有事情都是假的，但這實在太離譜了。

And people recoil when he goes to those racist tropes or when he attacks spouses.

當他講到那些帶有種族歧視的比喻，或是攻擊配偶時，大家都會退縮。

Okay, so let's talk about the Epstein files.

好的，那我們來聊聊 Epstein files。

Of course, it was your legislation that requires the Trump administration to have released all the Epstein files by last December.

當然，是你的法案要求 Trump administration 在去年十二月前公佈所有 Epstein files。

The Justice Department now has released more than 3 million documents.

司法部現在已經公佈了超過三百萬份文件。

And it says the Justice Department is saying that they have fully complied with the law.

而司法部表示，他們已經完全遵守了法律。

Is the Trump administration complying with the law?

Trump administration 有遵守法律嗎？

The two worst parts are they're releasing victims information.

最糟的兩點是他們公佈了受害者的資訊。

我的意思是，直接列出受害者的名字。

And beyond that, they are withholding the perpetrators names.

更糟的是，他們還扣留了加害者的名字。

Those are the forms that the FBI fills out after they interview witnesses and victims, and

那是 FBI 在訪談證人和受害者後填寫的表格，

And they're over redacting the documents that have, you know, they relate to some really sketchy emails, but

而且他們還在紅選那些文件，你知道，那些文件跟一些很可疑的電子郵件有關，

And so they really need to come off some more information.

所以他們真的需要釋出更多資訊。

Monday, Todd Blanche said that members of Congress can come and start viewing those redactions.

禮拜一，Todd Blanche 說國會議員可以進去開始查看那些被紅選的內容。

Ro Khanna and I are very interested in going and reviewing some of those redactions.

Ro Khanna 和我非常有興趣去查看一些被紅選的內容。

But there are also files that we need to see.

但也有一些檔案是我們需要看到的。

And finally, Pam Bondi will be in front my committee.

最後，Pam Bondi 會在我的委員會面前。

I serve on the Judiciary Committee this coming week, on Wednesday.

我這週將在司法委員會任職，週三。

And so I'll have some questions for her related to the Epstein files.

所以我會問她一些關於 Epstein files 的問題。

Well, where are the rest of the documents?

為什麼，為什麼他們要公佈受害者的名字？

And, you know, what are these redactions now we may get to see those redactions.

然後，你知道的，這些被塗改的部分，現在我們也許能看到這些塗改的部分。

Hopefully we can go to the DOJ before she shows up on Wednesday and see how responsive they are to us in person.

希望我們能在週三她出現之前，去司法部看看他們親自回應我們的程度。

But, you know, she's really, she's not, if you notice, they don't put her out in front anymore.

不過，你知道的，她真的，她不是，如果你注意到，他們不再讓她出面了。

They put Todd Blanche out in front because she's been all over the map.

他們讓 Todd Blanche 出面，因為她說法反覆。

She said there are a bunch, there's a ton of files.

And then she said, there's nothing but, you know, child sexual abuse material and nobody wants to see that.

然後她說，裡面只有，你知道的，兒童性虐待材料，沒有人想看那個。

And then she said, oh, we found a whole bunch more and there are going to be more investigations.

然後她又說，喔，我們又找到一大堆了，而且還會有更多調查。

But what are those investigations, for instance?

但那些調查，例如，是關於什麼的？

And so there's A whole host of questions for her.

But I'm glad that she's coming to Judiciary.

但我很高興她要來司法委員會。

She hasn't been there since she's been Attorney General.

自從她擔任總檢察長以來，她就沒來過這裡。

How are you going to respond if they don't fully comply with the law?

如果他們不完全遵守法律，妳要怎麼回應？

You had told me before that you may go to the floor and actually read the, the names of people on the alleged Epstein client list.

你之前跟我說過，你可能會在院會上唸出，唸出那些據稱是 Epstein 客戶名單上的人的名字。

I'm ready to do that if the victims want me to.

如果受害者希望我這麼做，我隨時準備好了。

They believe that the best way to get justice is to force the DOJ to release these names.

他們認為，伸張正義的最佳方式就是迫使司法部公佈這些名字。

I've already read one name in a committee with, with the FBI director there, that's Jess Staley.

我已經在委員會裡唸出一個名字了，當時 FBI 局長也在場，那就是 Jess Staley。

And again, he may or may not be guilty, but he's been accused by these victims.

再說一次，他可能無罪，也可能不是，但他被這些受害者指控了。

there are other names, I don't have them in my possession, but

還有其他名字，我手邊沒有，但是

if the victims want to give them to me, I've expressed that I'm willing to do that.

如果受害者願意給我，我已經表達過我願意這麼做。

But again, the best way is to force the DOJ to release those names on those 302 forms.

但再說一次，最佳方式就是迫使司法部公佈那些 302 表格上的名字。

Trump's Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, said that he and his wife decided around 2005 to cut ties with Jeffrey Epstein.

川普的商務部長 Howard Lutnick 表示，他和他的妻子大約在 2005 年決定與 Jeffrey Epstein 斷絕關係。

But the latest release shows that there was some correspondence after that, even after Epstein pleaded guilty to, to sex crimes in 2008.

但最新的解密顯示，在那之後仍有往來，甚至是在 Epstein 於 2008 年承認性犯罪之後。

What questions do you have about Lutnick's ties to Epstein and should he come before Congress and testify?

你對 Lutnick 與 Epstein 的關係有什麼疑問，他應該來國會作證嗎？

I mean, there are three people in Great Britain that have resigned in politics.

我是說，英國有三個人在政壇上辭職了。

The ambassador from Great Britain to the United States, the prince lost his title for less than what we've seen Howard Lutnick lie about.

英國駐美國大使，王子因為比我們看到的 Howard Lutnick 撒謊的事情還少就失去了頭銜。

Look, Howard Lutnick clearly went to the island.

聽著，Howard Lutnick 明顯去過那座島。

If we believe what's in these files, he was in business with Jeffrey Epstein.

如果我們相信這些文件裡的內容，他曾與 Jeffrey Epstein 做生意。

And this was many years after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted.

而這是在 Jeffrey Epstein 被定罪多年之後。

You know, lightly sentenced, but was convicted for sexual crimes.

雖然判刑很輕，但他確實因性犯罪被定罪了。