Name: 葛萊美獎主席警告AI音樂的「威脅」！ (Grammys boss warns about the 'threat' of AI music | BBC News)
Uploaded: 2026-02-05T17:14:10.000Z
Duration: 12 min 4 s

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I mean, you know, the wonderful thing about seeing you is that we could just spend an hour talking about music interests and we could talk about the kind of music you listen to, the kind of music I listen to, because we're both music nuts.

我覺得，你知道，很高興見到你，因為我們可以花一小時聊音樂的興趣，聊你聽的音樂、我聽的音樂，因為我們都是音樂狂熱者。

But I think maybe a good place to start off with, because it's where our listeners would start off, is just explaining a bit about what the Recording Academy is.

不過我想，也許我們可以從一個不錯的起點開始，因為這也是聽眾會想了解的，那就是稍微解釋一下錄音學院是什麼。

Most people know us as the producers of the Grammy Awards, but

大多數人認識我們是葛萊美獎的製作單位，但

that is a one time a year, one day a year event.

The Academy is a 365 day a year organization that is dedicated to advocacy, support, education, community building among these, these creatives.

學院是個全年無休的組織，致力於為這些創作者進行遊說、支持、教育和社群營造。

Could you just take us inside how you think about whether or not musicians creators are getting a fair deal from the very powerful companies who now outside of record labels, who now dominate the industry.

你能不能跟我們分享一下，你怎麼看待音樂創作者是否能從現在主導產業的、除了唱片公司之外的強大公司那裡得到公平的待遇？

Look, the economics of the industry have changed tremendously.

看看，產業的經濟已經發生了巨大的變化。

And no, I mean, my view is generally that no artists should be making more from streaming services.

我認為，串流服務的收入不應該比這更高。

為什麼他們沒有賺到錢，或者說沒有賺到足夠的錢？

Sorry, why are they not making as much as they should?

抱歉，為什麼他們沒有賺到他們應得的那麼多？

Because the economics of a streaming model are very different than the economics of an analog model of compact disks and LPs and so forth.

因為串流模式的經濟架構，跟長黑膠唱片、光碟這些類比模式的經濟架構非常不一樣。

And the way that streaming services distribute royalties and income, it's just very different.

串流服務分配版稅和收入的方式，就是很不一樣。

I won't go into all the arcane mechanics of that.

我就不深入探討那些複雜的細節了。

And of course, as an organization, that's our foremost piece of advocacy, right?

當然，作為一個組織，這就是我們最重要的遊說工作，對吧？

How do you get more equitable distribution of the pie?

要怎麼讓這塊大餅更公平地分配？

Because without creators we have absolutely nothing.

因為沒有創作者，我們就什麼都沒有。

How do you actually get a better deal for the people, as you say, who.

要怎麼為你說的那些人爭取更好的權益呢？

If we don't have them creating anything, we've got no music.

如果沒有他們創作，我們就沒有音樂了。

Certainly there is a role for legislation and arguing for.

And again, I don't want to get into the arcane mechanics of the way that the music copyrights work, but

再說一次，我不想深入探討音樂版權運作的複雜細節，

music is fairly unique in the sense that it has two different types of copyrights associated with a particular song.

但音樂其實很特別，一首歌通常有兩種不同的版權。

There is the sound recording, which is the actual recording that you're listening to, and

一種是錄音，也就是你實際聽到的那個錄音，

And then there is the underlying composition, the, the, the, the song in itself and the composition of that song and the composer of that song that has a different copyright.

然後還有歌曲本身，也就是歌曲的詞曲創作，以及創作者，這部分有另一種版權。

Because you learn a lot doing this podcast.

因為做這個Podcast，你會學到很多東西。

So possibly different legislation, radical legislation to sort of make it to what?

所以或許會有不同的立法，激進的立法來處理？

I mean, you're not going to be able to get rid of that dichotomy.

我的意思是，你無法擺脫這種二分法。

But to change the way copyright works, it's legislation, it's advocacy, it's engagement with, with the technologists behind a lot of these firms.

但要改變版權的運作方式，需要立法、遊說，以及和許多公司背後的技術專家互動。

I do believe that we do need to arrive to a point where there's transparency around what I'm consuming as a, as a, as a consumer, of course.

我確實認為我們需要達到一個點，讓我在消費時，身為消費者，能清楚知道我正在消費的內容。

Is it human or has it been manufactured by the cognitive intelligence of a machine?

這是人類創作的，還是由機器的認知智能製造的？

Yeah, it seems so basic that you'd need that kite Mark.

是啊，這聽起來很基本，你需要那個標記。

Yeah, I mean, look, when I go to the grocery store and I buy a jar of salsa, I can choose to get a one that's full of preservatives or I can choose to get a homemade one.

是啊，我的意思是，你看，我去雜貨店買一罐莎莎醬，我可以選擇買一罐充滿防腐劑的，或者我可以選擇買手工製作的。

But there's something that enables me to make that decision and that is labeling.

但有些東西讓我能做出這個決定，那就是標示。

Might that exist so that with the products that I'm consuming from a content side, music or otherwise, that enables me to make an intelligent decision?

有沒有可能，在消費內容，像是音樂或其他內容時，也能有類似的東西，讓我能做出明智的決定？

Just going to read for our wonderful listeners, the beginning of an article on the BBC News website written by my brilliant colleagues on the 17th of January.

我來為我們很棒的聽眾唸一下 BBC 新聞網站上一篇文章的開頭，這篇文章是由我才華洋溢的同事們在 1 月 17 日寫的。

Three of her dusky jazz infused soul songs are in Spotify's viral top 50.

她三首帶有爵士靈魂樂風格的歌曲，在 Spotify 的 Viral Top 50 排行榜上。

The most popular, a dreamy ballad called into the Blue, has been played more than 5 million times.

最受歡迎的一首，一首名為 Into the Blue 的夢幻抒情歌，已經播放超過五百萬次。

If she continues on this trajectory, Rose could become one of the year's hottest new stars.

如果她照這個軌跡持續下去，Rose 有可能成為今年最熱門的新星之一。

All the signs indicate, sorry, she's not real.

所有的跡象都顯示，抱歉，她並不是真實存在的。

Streaming service Deezer, which has developed tools to tackle AI music, told the BBC that, and

串流服務 Deezer，該公司開發了工具來應對 AI 音樂，告訴 BBC，

I quote, many of her albums and songs on the platform are detected and flagged as computer generated.

我引用，她平臺上許多專輯和歌曲都被偵測並標記為電腦生成。

Look closer and you'll see the indications of an AI artist.

再仔細看看，你就會發現 AI 藝術家的跡象。

Panos, how big a threat to the music industry is AI?

Panos，AI 對音樂產業的威脅有多大？

We cannot downplay the threat that an artist like Sienna Rosa just described poses to the incomes of creators.

我們不能低估像 Sienna Rosa 剛才描述的那種藝術家對創作者收入造成的威脅。

And that is at the top of everybody's mind and certainly at the top of our mind as the recording academy, because of the economics that I described earlier.

這也是大家最關心的，當然也是我們錄音學院最關心的，因為我之前提到的經濟因素。

Well, the more streaming services are dominated by artists that are completely manufactured, well, it goes without saying, the less the incomes of human creators become.

嗯，如果串流服務越來越被完全製造出來的藝術家主導，那麼，不言而喻，人類創作者的收入就會越來越少。

And there could also be a counter incentive by streaming services to necessarily identify AI music, because if you don't have to pay somebody, then great, right?

串流服務也可能會有一個反向的誘因，不一定要識別 AI 音樂，因為如果你不必付錢給某人，那就太好了，對吧？

You don't even have to give Sienna royalties because there's no bank account.

你甚至不必支付 Sienna 版稅，因為沒有銀行帳戶。

I dread a future where 99% of the music on any of these streaming services is not human created.

我非常擔心一個未來，串流服務上的 99% 音樂都不是人類創作的。

如果我們不這樣做，那樣的世界會來臨嗎？

I'd like to believe that we will, as an industry, understand that that is not in the long term benefit of everybody.

我希望我們產業能夠明白，那對大家長遠來說並不是好事。

So is there a world where perhaps functional music will be entirely AI driven?

所以，有沒有可能出現一個功能性音樂完全由 AI 驅動的世界？

But no, I don't want to experience a world where the entirety of the catalog that I'm accessing is somehow driven by machines.

但不行，我不想體驗一個我正在使用的所有曲庫都是由機器驅動的世界。

錄音學院的各位，你們在做些什麼？

又有哪些行動來對抗這件事呢？

You said a moment ago you don't want to live in a world where 99% of what's available is this.

你剛剛說過，你不想活在一個 99% 的內容都是這樣產生的世界。

Some people call it AI slot, whatever machine generated creation which makes it sound godlike.

有些人稱之為 AI 插槽，任何機器生成的創作，聽起來都像是神賜的。

And I guess, I guess in some ways maybe that's the way we're heading.

我猜，或許在某些方面，這就是我們正在走向的方向。

What is being done to stop this relentless march of Sienna Rose and her ilk?

我們該如何阻止 Sienna Rose 和她那類人的無情前進？

Well, first of all, it's all about the ethical use of other people's creations.

嗯，首先，這一切都關乎如何合乎道德地使用別人的創作。

So for me, there needs to be both legislation and a broader agreement about ethically developed LLMs or large language models.

所以對我來說，需要有立法和更廣泛的協議，關於合乎道德地開發 LLM 或大型語言模型。

Then I do think that the downright stealing of identity, stealing of intellectual property and the creation of content that is purely meant to mislead.

然後我認為，那種赤裸裸的身分盜竊、智慧財產權盜竊，以及創作純粹是為了誤導的內容。

There should be some legislation that makes that illegal.

應該要有某些立法讓那樣做違法。

You know, I cannot be listening to a song that I think is made by, you name the artist Drake, a bad bunny, you know, a Rosalia, and

你知道，我不能聽一首歌，覺得是某個藝人，像是 Drake、Bad Bunny、Rosalía 創作的，

Seems any more that it's not okay that I go to, you know, a Gordon Ramsay restaurant that's not a Gordon Ramsay restaurant.

感覺上，我去一家不是真的 Gordon Ramsay 開的餐廳，這點也變得不行。

That's sort of trading on the false potential that to me, that is just baseline.

那樣有點是在利用虛假的潛力，對我來說，這就是基本底線。