Name: 史蒂芬·米勒坦承可能違反協議！美媒砲轟「Pretti shooting」事件 (Pretti shooting: Stephen Miller admits possible protocol breach)
Uploaded: 2026-01-28T17:16:26.000Z
Duration: 10 min 57 s

The blame game inside the Trump administration.

While the President says things in Minneapolis are going to, quote, de escalate a bit, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Stephen Miller, the president's powerful adviser, are taking heat over the deadly shooting of Alex Preddy and their statements after it.

總統說明尼亞波olis 的情況會稍微 de escalate 一點，但 Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem 和總統的資深顧問 Stephen Miller，卻因為 Alex Preddy 的致命槍擊案以及事後的發言而備受批評。

Miller described Preddy as a would be assassin.

Miller 形容 Preddy 是個 would be assassin。

Noem described him as a domestic terrorist.

Noem 則形容他是個 domestic terrorist。

And now Noem is facing growing bipartisan calls to resign.

現在 Noem 面臨越來越多的雙黨派呼籲她辭職。

And Miller, in a rare retreat, is acknowledging agents may have breached protocol, protocol that he set or the White House set before the shooting.

而 Miller，在一次罕見的 retreat 中，承認了探員可能違反了 protocol，這是他或白宮在槍擊案前設定的 protocol。

With us now, CNN's Betsy Klein and Jeff Zeleny.

現在和我們在一起的是 CNN 的 Betsy Klein 和 Jeff Zeleny。

And first, I just want to hold up a flowchart friend of my understanding of the blame game here.

首先，我想拿出這張 flowchart，幫助大家理解這裡的 blame game。

There you can see, you know, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is blaming Stephen Miller.

你可以看到，Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem 正在怪 Stephen Miller。

Stephen Miller seems to be blaming Customs and Border Protection.

Stephen Miller 似乎在怪 Customs and Border Protection。

我拿出的 flowchart 是正確的嗎？

I think that's about an accurate assessment, John.

我想那大概是個準確的評估，John。

And I just want to point to you, to this very remarkable statement to our colleague Kristen Holmes from Stephen Miller yesterday, as you said, in the immediate aftermath of federal agents killing of Alex Pretty on Saturday, we heard Stephen Miller go to social media almost immediately.

我想讓妳看看，昨天 Stephen Miller 對我們的同事 Kristen Holmes 發表的這份非常引人注目的聲明，就像妳說的，聯邦探員在週六殺死 Alex Pretty 後的立即反應，我們聽到 Stephen Miller 幾乎是立刻就發布到社群媒體上。

He referred to Pretty as, quote, a domestic terror terrorist, also a would be assassin.

他稱 Pretty 為「domestic terrorist」以及「would be assassin」。

And you can believe that he was behind a lot of the messaging that was coming from this White House.

你可以相信，他確實是白宮發布許多訊息的幕後推手。

But then last night in this statement to our colleague Kristen Holmes, he says, quote, the White House had provided clear guidance to DHS that the extra personnel that had been sent to Minnesota for force protection should be used for conductive to conducting fugitive operations to create a physical barrier between the arrest team teams and the disruptors.

但昨晚，在他對我們同事 Kristen Holmes 發表的聲明中，他說：「白宮已經向 DHS 發布了明確的指導，派往明尼蘇達州的額外人員用於 force protection，應該用於 conductive to conducting fugitive operations，以在 arrest team 和 disruptors 之間建立實體屏障。」

He goes on to say, we are evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following that protocol.

他接著說：「我們正在評估 CBP 團隊為何可能沒有遵循該 protocol。」

He also says that some of the original statements that were coming from the Department of Homeland Security were, quote, based on reports from CBP on the ground.

他也說，來自 Department of Homeland Security 的一些原始聲明是「基於 CBP 在現場的報告」。

So clearly shifting blame there and notably not disputing that he was involved in those statements, but not apologizing for them either.

所以很明顯，這是在轉移 blame game，而且他沒有反駁自己參與了這些聲明，但也沒為此道歉。

And that's important because he said those things.

這很重要，因為他說了那些話。

He's blaming now CBP for giving him the information that led to those statements.

他現在正在怪 CBP 提供了導致那些聲明的資訊。

Jeff, bigger picture here when you take a step back, this is very unusual from this Trump administration or either any Trump administration for that matter.

Jeff，放大來看，退一步說，這對川普政府來說，或者說任何一個川普政府，都非常不尋常。

They have really conducted now about three retreats in the last week by my count.

照我算的，他們上週已經進行了大概三次 retreat 了。

First on Greenland, you know, first, the idea, no military action.

首先是關於格陵蘭，你知道，首先是那個想法，沒有軍事行動。

Definitely going to own it now, eh, Maybe not so much.

這下肯定要扛下來了，嗯，可能沒那麼簡單。

The president had to backtrack on saying NATO troops weren't on the front lines in Afghanistan and now clearly backing off a little bit in Minneapolis.

總統不得不收回說北約部隊不在阿富汗前線的說法，現在在明尼阿波利斯也明顯退縮了一點。

That's a lot different than we've seen before from this administration.

這跟我們之前看過這個政府的作為很不一樣。

It's not only unusual, it just hasn't happened, particularly on immigration.

這不只很不尋常，根本就沒發生過，尤其是在移民議題上。

Look, this was intended to be a strength from President Trump.

看，這本來是川普總統想展現的強項。

It's one of the things that helped get him elected in the first place back in 2016 and certainly reelected in 2024.

這也是當初在 2016 年幫助他當選，以及 2024 年連任的因素之一。

Now, immigration is viewed by Republicans as a weakness for this administration.

現在，共和黨人認為移民問題是這個政府的弱點。

That explains the flowchart that you were pointing out earlier.

這就解釋了你剛才指出的 flowchart。

Stephen Miller isn't doing this simply because he suddenly had a change of heart.

Stephen Miller 這麼做並不是因為他突然心意改變。

He's doing this because even a few Republicans, growing, a small but growing number of Republicans, are beginning to confront and, and challenge and question this administration.

他這麼做是因為就連一些共和黨人，越來越多，一小群但不斷增加的共和黨人，開始面對、挑戰和質疑這個政府。

It is all coming, of course, as the very.

這一切當然都是在明尼蘇達州發生的省略事件被審查之際。

As the very omission in Minnesota is being reviewed, and it's a funding review from ice.

審查內容是來自 ICE 的資金審查。

Of course, it could lead to a government shutdown at the end of the week.

當然，這可能導致在本週末政府關門。

But Stephen Miller knows the president is unhappy about this.

但 Stephen Miller 知道總統對此很不高興。

That's why he is sort of backpedaling here.

這就是為什麼他現在有點在退縮。

But the bigger picture, it's not just optics here, is policy actually going to change, and that is very much unclear.

但更宏觀來看，這不只是表面功夫，政策真的會改變嗎？這一點非常不確定。

One huge difference from this administration versus the first Trump administration.

這個政府跟川普的第一個政府，有一個很大的不同。

He's very reluctant to fire anyone in the first administration.

他在第一個政府時，非常不願意開除任何人。

People were being fired all the time, week by week.

所以我預期這裡不會有人被開除。

But this is a dramatic change of position here.

但這是一個戲劇性的立場轉變。

He's viewed as a liability in some circles here.

在某些圈子裡，他被視為一個負擔。

But that statement that Betsy was reading is extraordinary because we have never seen a retreat like that from him.

但 Betsy 讀出的聲明很不尋常，因為我們從沒見過他有這樣的 retreat。

And Betsy just, you know, I'll hold up the flowchart once again, since Jeff just celebrated it here.

而且 Betsy，你知道的，我再把 flowchart 拿出來給大家看，因為 Jeff 剛剛在這裡稱讚了它。

在這個 flowchart 裡，總統在哪裡？

Who exactly does the president blame among these three choices?

總統到底要怪這三個人中的哪一個？

Well, I think the president's message here is that he's trying to de escalate.

嗯，我認為總統在這裡傳達的訊息是，他正試圖 de escalate。

We've seen him even talk to Governor Tim Walz and Mayor Jacob for Fry in the aftermath.

我們甚至看到他在事後與州長 Tim Walz 和市長 Jacob for Fry 談話。

And the president now is essentially saying that those calls are cordial and constructive.

而總統現在基本上說，那些通話是 cordial 和 constructive 的。

But when we ask if this is a substantive or a symbolic Change.

但當我們問這是一個實質的改變還是一個象徵性的改變時。

The White House is still actively blaming Democrats.

We heard from Caroline Levitt saying that this is a deliberate and hostile resistance by Democrat officials blaming the pretty killing on Democrats.

我們聽到 Caroline Levitt 說，這是民主黨官員刻意且帶有敵意的抵抗，將這場 pretty killing 歸咎於民主黨。

But the question is going to be what is the change on the ground in Minneapolis here?

但問題是，明尼阿波利斯這裡的實際情況會有什麼改變？

And President Trump is appearing to indicate that there might be some more substantive changes.

而川普總統似乎在暗示，可能會有一些更實質的改變。

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Based on how Tom Homan has described the conversations with Tim Walls and the mayor there, and they both have described it, there is a bit of substantive difference there merely in the dialogue.

根據 Tom Homan 對與 Tim Walls 和市長的談話描述，以及他們兩人的說法，對話上確實有些實質的差異。

And very quickly, Jeff, while I still have you here, you know Republicans on Capitol Hill, how far do you think they're willing to take their criticism?

還有，Jeff，在我還有時間的時候，你知道國會山莊的共和黨人，你認為他們願意走多遠來批評？

I mean, it's a growing number, but it's still a very small number of people.

我的意思是，人數在增加，但仍然是非常少數的人。

But I think the Senate Majority leader, John Thune, was interesting yesterday.

不過我覺得參議院多數黨領袖 John Thune 昨天說的話很有意思。

So everyone is calling for an investigation and more oversight into ice.

所以大家都在呼籲調查並加強對 ICE 的監督。

Again, that is not something we saw after the Renee Goode shooting.

再說一次，這不是我們在 Renee Goode 槍擊案後看到的。

But again, to Betsy's point, will policies change on the ground Again, what was a strength for the administration is now a political weakness.

不過再次回到 Betsy 的重點，政策會不會改變？對政府來說曾是優勢的，現在卻成了政治上的弱點。

A lot of fingers being pointed over the Trump administration's false claim that Alex Preddy, the man fatally shot in Minneapolis, was out to massacre federal agents, an accusation just not supported by the video we've all seen.

川普政府聲稱 Alex Preddy，也就是在明尼阿波利斯被槍殺的男子，意圖屠殺聯邦探員，但這項指控並未被我們所見的影片證實，現在很多人都在為此指責。

Multiple sources suggested to Axios that the language came from the president's hardline adviser, Stephen Miller, with one source saying, quote, Miller gun and knew what the narrative would be.

據 Axios 報導，多個消息來源指出，這些說法來自總統的強硬派顧問 Stephen Miller，其中一位消息來源說，引述，Miller 知道會發生什麼事，也知道故事會如何發展。

Miller, for his part, said, quote, any early comments made were based on information sent the White House through Customs and Border Protection.

Miller 本人則表示，引述，任何早期的評論都是基於 Customs and Border Protection 傳送給白宮的資訊。

With us now is Mark Caputo, the senior politics reporter for Axios, who really broke this story yesterday.

現在跟我們在一起的是 Axios 的資深政治記者 Mark Caputo，他昨天真的爆料了這個故事。

Mark, as always, I'm really excited to talk to you.

Mark，一如往常，我非常期待跟你哈拉。

Since you are out so far in front of this story, I put together a little flowchart based on your reporting here of who is being blamed and how inside the White House and inside the administration.

既然你對這個故事這麼深入，我根據你的報導整理了一個小 flowchart，關於白宮和政府內部是誰在怪罪誰。

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem is blaming Stephen Miller.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem 正在怪罪 Stephen Miller。

Stephen Miller appears to be blaming Customs and Border Protection.

Stephen Miller 似乎正在怪罪 Customs and Border Protection。

I mean, generally, what I do know is that Noem is feeling the heat, obviously on Capitol Hill and elsewhere.

我的意思是，總的來說，我知道的是 Noem 顯然在國會山莊和其他地方感受到了壓力。

And she's told people, and I'm told she also told the president, look, everything I've said is because of what I've been told to say and do by the president.

她告訴過別人，我也聽說她也告訴了總統，聽著，我說的一切都是因為總統告訴我要說什麼、要做什麼。

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