Name: 亞歷克斯·霍諾德揭祕：攀登臺北101需要什麼條件！ (Alex Honnold reveals what it takes to climb Taipei 101)
Uploaded: 2026-01-19T08:08:06.000Z
Duration: 18 min 17 s

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Knowing that you're going to die isn't inherently scary.

知道自己會死，這本身並不可怕。

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I mean, like, you know that you're going to die.

Like, are you feeling fear about that right now?

像是，你現在對這件事感到害怕嗎？

No, but I'm not on the side of a mountain when I'm doing a real free solo, like something challenging.

不會，但我在做真正的 free solo，那種有挑戰性的時候，我並不是在山壁邊。

I just, I'm focused on what I'm doing and so I'm not thinking about all the other things.

我只是專注在我正在做的事情上，所以不會去想其他事情。

And that's kind of why you think about a lot of those things ahead of time, to sort of do all the processing that you need and then commit to the path that you're on.

這也是為什麼你會事先想很多事情，把需要處理的都處理好，然後再投入你正在走的路。

And then when you climb, you're sort of unencumbered by all those other thoughts ideally.

然後爬的時候，理想上你就不會被那些雜念所困擾。

I mean, sometimes you get up there and you're like, oh my God, what am I doing?

呃，有時候你爬到一半，會想說，天啊，我在幹嘛？

Alex Honnold is doing what he loves, but what most would consider an absolute nightmare.

Alex Honnold 在做他熱愛的事，但對大多數人來說，這絕對是一場惡夢。

Climbing tall, daunting mountains without the use of ropes, harnesses or any protective gear, using just his hands and feet.

他徒手攀爬高聳、令人畏懼的山脈，沒有繩索、安全帶或任何保護裝備，只靠雙手雙腳。

That's Honnold climbing El capitan's more than 3,000 foot granite wall in Yosemite for the 2018 Oscar winning documentary Free Solo El Cap is the most impressive wall on earth.

那是 Honnold 在 2018 年奧斯卡獲獎紀錄片《Free Solo》中，攀爬優勝美地國家公園超過 3,000 英尺的花崗巖峭壁 El Capitan，El Cap 是地球上最令人印象深刻的峭壁。

Honnold, already a world renowned climber at the time, made history with that climb, becoming the first to free solo El Cap to date.

那時候已經是世界知名攀巖者的 Honnold，透過這次攀爬寫下了歷史，成為第一位徒手攀登 El Cap 的人，至今仍是如此。

It's been a lifelong dream of mine to climb a skyscraper.

爬摩天大樓一直是我的畢生夢想。

Honnold's next challenge is something else that's never been done before.

Honnold 的下一個挑戰是另一件前所未有的事。

He'll attempt to scale one of the tallest skyscrapers in the world.

他將嘗試攀登世界上最高的摩天大樓之一。

This time we'll see his climb as it happens.

這次我們將親眼看到他攀爬的過程。

The event will be broadcast live on Netflix.

We had questions about all of it, from his preparation to what this meant for climbing.

我們對這一切都有疑問，從他的準備到這對攀巖的意義。

So we sat down with him in Los Angeles in December.

所以我們在十二月於洛杉磯和他聊了聊。

是 Netflix 提出的，還是你自己的想法？

Well, so the original idea of climbing a building actually sort of came to some friends of mine like more than a decade ago.

嗯，其實爬摩天大樓的這個原始想法，大概十幾年前就有一群朋友提過了。

And we scouted some buildings at the time and it was a proposed TV thing that kind of fell apart.

那時候我們有勘查過一些大樓，當時有個電視節目提案，但後來就沒下文了。

And so it's been kind of simmering on the back burner.

所以這個想法就一直放在心裡，慢慢醞釀。

The production company Plimsoll that I've worked with on several other projects maybe pitched it to Netflix and then it sort of happened.

Plimsoll 這家製作公司，我跟他們合作過好幾個案子，他們可能向 Netflix 提案，然後就這樣促成了。

It will be the biggest urban free solo climb ever.

這將會是史上規模最大的都市自由攀登。

So walk me through the conversations with Netflix, because this is obviously a high stakes production for you.

所以，請你跟我們聊聊跟 Netflix 洽談的過程，因為這對你來說顯然是個高風險的製作。

I mean, climbing a building is different, but I would imagine that Netflix had a lot of questions for you.

我的意思是，爬大樓跟平常的很不一樣，但我猜 Netflix 一定有很多問題想問你。

Honestly, I've been incredibly well insulated from all the sort of legal and network side and all that kind of stuff.

說實話，我一直被保護得很好，不用操心法律、頻道端那些有的沒的。

I mean, it's interesting because I think people look at the whole project and they're like, oh, it seems risky, but you're kind of like.

我的意思是，這很有趣，因為我覺得大家看到整個計畫時，會覺得「哇，這看起來好冒險」，但你卻是那種。

或者覺得「這看起來好危險」之類的，但。

But I look at it as kind of like it's not really that much different than what I do in day to day life as a professional rock climber.

但我看來，這跟我身為職業攀巖者，日常生活中做的事情其實沒什麼兩樣。

You go out and you climb things that are inspiring and you have a good time, you have adventures.

你就是出去爬一些讓你覺得很棒的目標，然後玩得開心，去冒險。

And it's interesting because even from a live sports perspective or something like a live TV perspective, I'm like, it's not that different than watching, you know, like live football or MMA or other things like that.

而且很有趣的是，即使是從現場運動的角度，或是像現場直播的角度來看，我覺得這跟看現場的足球、MMA 或其他類似的東西，其實差別不大。

It seems more dramatic because the consequences are so much higher.

感覺起來比較戲劇化，因為後果的嚴重性高很多。

But the risk, the actual likelihood of having an injury are I would say, you know, I mean, I would say close to zero.

但風險，實際受傷的可能性，我認為，你知道，我是說，我認為接近零。

Whereas other sports, you know, like people are going to get hurt for sure.

相較之下，你知道，其他運動，人們肯定會受傷。

And it's just kind of a weird, you know, it's like, it's funny that people see the high consequences and they're like, that seems crazy, but you're kind of like, well, it's very low risk though.

這有點奇怪，你知道，就像，很有趣的是，人們看到嚴重的後果，然後他們會說，這太瘋狂了，但你卻會想，嗯，但風險其實很低。

Whereas other things that you watch all the time are incredibly high risk.

而你一直觀看的其他事物，風險卻極高。

Like people are getting hurt non stop, like watching an NFL game.

就像看 NFL 比賽，人們不斷受傷。

At least two people are going to get like, you know, one person's going to have a career ending injury during the game and you're sort of like, that's a crazy, you know, that's like watching gladiators out fighting for your entertainment.

至少會有兩個人，你知道，比賽中會有人遭受職業生涯終結的傷勢，然後你會覺得，這太瘋狂了，你知道，這就像在看角鬥士為了你的娛樂而戰。

Like, that's kind of crazy to hear you say it's very low risk.

聽你說風險很低，這聽起來有點瘋狂。

99.9% of people watching this are thinking, oh my gosh, this is very high risk.

99.9% 正在看這個影片的人都會想，天啊，這風險很高耶。

I think it's important to differentiate, like if something happens, I would die.

我覺得區分這點很重要，就是如果發生什麼事，我會死。

Though actually on this particular building, that's not even totally true because there are balconies every eight floors.

不過其實在這個特定的建築上，這也不完全正確，因為每八層樓都有陽臺。

Just the geometry of the building, like the shape of the building is such that you actually could fall in tons of places and not actually die, which makes it in some ways, safer than a lot of rock climbing objectives.

這棟建築的幾何結構，建築的形狀是，你其實可以在很多地方摔下去，但不會真的死掉，這在某些方面，反而比很多攀巖目標還要安全。

Because in the past when this was almost a TV show, and now with the Netflix program, everyone's like, cool, this is going to be great for tv.

因為過去這幾乎是個電視節目，現在有了 Netflix 節目，大家都會說，酷，這對電視來說太棒了。

And then they're like, but how do we make it safe?

然後他們又會說，但我們要怎麼讓它安全？

And you're like, well, the whole point is that it's fundamentally not safe.

然後你就會說，嗯，重點就是它本質上就不安全。

I feel that it is very safe, but it's made safe through preparation, through training, through, you know, rehearsal.

我覺得其實很安全，但那是透過準備、透過訓練、透過、你知道，排練而變得安全。

Basically you just can't make it safe in the way that like a network executive wants you to.

基本上你沒辦法像網路高層那樣把它弄得安全。

And they're like, will you wear a parachute?

他們就會說，你會穿降落傘嗎？

And you're kind of like, well, that doesn't even help.

你就會有點像，嗯，那根本沒幫助。

Because in the case of this building, you would just hit the building.

因為在這種建築物的情況下，你只會撞到建築物。

Is there any sort of safety net for this Netflix production?

這個 Netflix 製作有什麼安全網嗎？

I mean, well, there's preparation, there's training, there's rehearsal.

我的意思是，嗯，有準備，有訓練，有排練。

There's the 30 years that I've spent as a professional climber practicing this exact kind of thing.

有我花了 30 年作為專業攀巖者練習這種事的經驗。

You know, I mean, I would consider that a safety net, but no, if you mean is there an actual net deployed?

我覺得那可以算是一種安全網，但如果你的意思是實際部署的網子，那沒有。

How long have you been training for this particular exercise?

你為這次特別的挑戰訓練了多久？

Obviously you've been training for 30 years, because it's what you do.

顯然你已經訓練了 30 年，因為這就是你的工作。

So I've been climbing basically full time for 30 years.

所以我當了 30 年的全職攀巖者。

That's a lot, I would say, for the specific objective of climbing the building, actually just in the last.

我覺得這對攀爬建築物這個特定目標來說，是相當長的時間，尤其是在最近。

I'll probably do basically a two month concentrated training block, like leading up to it.

我大概會做一個為期兩個月的密集訓練，就像是為它做準備。

But actually I've been kind of thinking of it like a fighter or something.

不過其實我一直覺得這有點像個戰士。

I suspect it's not dissimilar to the way a boxer.

我猜這跟拳擊手準備比賽的方式差不多。

Somebody prepares for a fight where it's like they're always fit and they're always practicing, but then before a big fight, they sort of train hard for, you know, think like the Rocky training montage or something.

就像他們總是保持體能，不斷練習，然後在大賽前會加強訓練，你知道，就像電影《洛基》裡的訓練片段那樣。

Basically, I'm doing that for the next month and a half, but basically I'll do like two and a half months of like concentrated training for this specific fight.

基本上，我接下來一個半月就是這樣，但其實我會做兩個半月的密集訓練來準備這場特定的比賽。

I'll practice on the building a little bit, I think.

我想我會在建築物上練習一下。

Some of it, I think is so they can rehearse the camera positions and things and like, do the technical aspects of how to broadcast it well, and then I'll just train in the gym.

有些部分我想是為了讓他們可以預演鏡頭位置等等，還有像是如何順利轉播的技術層面，然後我會在健身房訓練。

And in the climbing gym, it kind of feels like it's going to be vacation.

在攀巖館裡，感覺就像度假一樣。

How did you settle on this particular building?

I scouted a few of the tallest buildings in the world over time and looked at tons of photos and kind of, like, considered things.

But actually we went to Taipei for the first time, like, more than a decade ago.

And basically as soon as I touched the building, building, I was like, this is perfect because it just hits all the sweet spots.

I mean, that's basically what you look for as a climber for a climbing objective.