Name: 川普聲稱烏克蘭和平協議近在咫尺，但「棘手問題」仍待解決 | BBC News (Trump says Ukraine peace deal close but ‘thorny issues’ remain | BBC News)
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Duration: 7 min 32 s

FOREIGN hello and a warm welcome to the program.

外電，熱烈歡迎收看我們的節目。

We begin with peace talks aimed at ending the war in Ukraine.

我們先來談談旨在結束烏克蘭戰爭的和平談判。

President Trump says Russia and Ukraine are closer than ever before to ending the war, but

川普總統表示，俄羅斯和烏克蘭比以往任何時候都更接近結束戰爭，但

said thorny issues were complicating the process.

他說棘手的問題正在使過程複雜化。

What happens to the Donbas territory in eastern Ukraine remains a major sticking point.

烏克蘭東部頓巴斯地區的歸屬問題仍然是一個主要僵局。

President Trump made remarks alongside Ukraine's President Zelensky in Mar a Lago, Florida, after talks between the two leaders.

川普總統在與澤倫斯基總統在佛羅裡達州海湖莊園會談後發表了談話。

Washington correspondent Sean Dilley reports at Donald Trump's Mar a Lago home.

華盛頓特派記者 Sean Dilley 在唐納·川普的海湖莊園家中報導。

I really believe we're probably Mr. President, closer than by far closer than ever before.

我真的相信，總統先生，我們比以往任何時候都更接近。

A deal's not done, but President Zelensky thinks one is getting closer.

協議尚未達成，但澤倫斯基總統認為正在接近。

And we discussed all the aspects of the peace framework, which includes and we have great achievements.

我們討論了和平框架的所有面向，其中包含且我們有偉大的成就。

20 point peace plan, 90% agreed and US Ukraine security guarantees 100% agreed.

20點和平計畫，90%已同意，美烏安全保障100%已同意。

And talks about investment for Ukraine from a surprising source.

以及關於來自意想不到來源的烏克蘭投資的談話。

Both leaders say there's more work to do.

兩位領導人都表示還有更多工作要做。

The trickiest points that remain a territory and security.

剩下的棘手問題是領土和安全。

Moscow currently controls around 75% of the Donetsk region and 99% of the neighboring Luhansk region, known together as the Donbas.

莫斯科目前控制著頓內茨克地區約75%的土地，以及鄰近的盧甘斯克地區約99%的土地，這兩地區合稱為頓巴斯。

So far, Russia hasn't entertained withdrawing, but

到目前為止，俄羅斯還沒有考慮撤軍，但

Presidents Trump and Zelensky are looking at a proposal to create a new free economic zone that would benefit Russia and Ukraine.

川普總統和澤倫斯基總統正在考慮一項提議，旨在創建一個新的自由經濟區，讓俄羅斯和烏克蘭都能受益。

In exchange, both countries would have to agree to withdraw their military because you're in no position to dictate that.

作為交換，兩國都必須同意撤軍，因為你沒有立場來規定這件事。

Ten months after this awkward scene in the Oval Office, the tone now is strikingly different.

在橢圓辦公室出現這尷尬一幕的十個月後，現在的語氣截然不同。

Crisis talks between Ukraine, Europe and the US Appear to have soothed previous tensions.

烏克蘭、歐洲和美國之間的危機談判似乎已緩解了先前的緊張局勢。

However much the US And Ukraine may agree today, what really matters now is what President Putin thinks.

無論美國和烏克蘭今天多麼一致，現在真正重要的是普丁總統的想法。

President Trump said he'd continue talks with Russia and Ukraine, and

川普總統表示，他將繼續與俄羅斯和烏克蘭進行談判，

the world would soon know whether a deal could be done.

世界很快就會知道協議是否能達成。

BBC新聞華盛頓特派記者 Sean Dilley 報導。

President Trump added that they'd both spoken to European leaders after their talks, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer, French President Emmanuel Macron and Italian Premier Giorg Maloney.

川普總統補充說，他們在會談後也與歐洲領導人進行了交談，包括英國首相施凱爾·斯塔默、法國總統馬克宏和義大利總理喬治亞·梅洛尼。

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen welcomed the good progress made during talks.

歐洲委員會主席烏蘇拉·馮德萊恩對談判取得的良好進展表示歡迎。

Earlier, Trump had a phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin and said he believed the Russian leader wants Ukraine to succeed.

稍早，川普與俄羅斯總統普丁通話，並表示他認為俄羅斯領導人希望烏克蘭成功。

Well, Ukrainian foreign policy expert Elena Prokopenko from the German Marshall Fund gave me her assessment of these talks.

德國馬歇爾基金會的烏克蘭外交政策專家 Elena Prokopenko 告訴我她對這些談判的評估。

Well, the fact that this meeting did take place despite the holiday season already suggests that the peace talks remain high, high on President Trump's agenda, although the tone of the meeting seems to have been heavily influenced by the phone call that President Trump had with Vladimir Putin prior to meeting with President Zelensky.

嗯，儘管是假期，這次會面仍然舉行，這已經表明和平談判仍然是川普總統議程上的重中之重，不過這次會面的基調似乎受到川普總統在與澤倫斯基總統會面前與普丁通話的影響很大。

As you as you said before, Donald Trump reiterated some of the Kremlin talking points, including the most surprising one probably, which is that Russia wants Ukraine to succeed, which suggests that the understanding of the reasons for this war is very questionable, very limited on the US Administration side in terms of the substance of the negotiations.

正如你先前所說，唐納·川普重申了一些克里姆林宮的說法，其中最令人驚訝的可能是，俄羅斯希望烏克蘭成功，這表明美國政府在談判實質內容方面，對這場戰爭原因的理解非常可疑，非常有限。

It's important that President Zelensky was able to hold the ground, to stand the ground and reject territorial concessions, to reject concessions regarding Donbass, which would be disastrous for Ukraine, which would provide Russia with a perfect springboard to make further advances on the front lines.

重要的是，澤倫斯基總統能夠堅持立場，拒絕領土讓步，拒絕在頓巴斯地區讓步，這對烏克蘭來說將是災難性的，這將為俄羅斯在戰線上的進一步推進提供完美的跳板。

Another positive outcome is that President Zelenskyy seems to have stayed on the good side of Donald Trump, on the good side of the US Administration, and

另一個積極的結果是，澤倫斯基總統似乎仍然站在川普總統和美國政府這邊，

Ukraine is no longer blamed for standing in the way of peace and the US Military assistance to Ukraine remains in force.

烏克蘭不再被指責阻礙和平，美國對烏克蘭的軍事援助仍然有效。

And for the lack of a better outcome, this already seems to be a positive development.

而且，由於沒有更好的結果，這似乎已經是一個積極的發展。

But otherwise there's barely any specifics on the outcomes of this meeting.

但除此之外，這次會面的成果幾乎沒有具體細節。

President Zelensky said that the security guarantees from the US by the US have been agreed upon, but

澤倫斯基總統表示，已就美國提供的安全保障達成協議，但

there is no specifics on what those guarantees could be.

這些保障具體內容為何，目前還不清楚。

It's unclear what the US can offer at the moment.

目前還不清楚美國能提供什麼。

And our correspondent in Kyiv is Abdul Jalil Abdurasulov and he told me more about the reaction where he is to the Trump Zelensky meeting.

我們在基輔的記者是 Abdul Jalil Abdurasulov，他告訴我更多關於他在當地對川普總統和澤倫斯基總統會面的反應。

We haven't heard an official reaction from Kyiv regarding the talks in Miami.

我們還沒聽到基輔方面對在邁阿密舉行的會談有任何官方回應。

However, we hear a lot of reaction from ordinary Ukrainians who just pour their messages on social media with their views on what happened in Miami.

不過，我們聽到許多來自普通烏克蘭人的反應，他們只是在社群媒體上發表對邁阿密事件的看法。

A lot of Ukrainians question the fact why President Zelensky was not met by any US Officials in Florida, and

許多烏克蘭人質疑為什麼澤倫斯基總統在佛羅裡達州沒有受到任何美國官員的接見，

it was a strike contrast to the red carpet reception received by Vladimir Putin when he met Donald Trump in Alaska in August.

這與普丁總統八月在阿拉斯加會見唐納·川普時受到盛大歡迎形成了鮮明對比。

And a lot of people also we're puzzled by the fact that Donald Trump spoke about some things like for example, he said that Russia is willing to see Ukrainian Ukraine to succeed.

許多人也對唐納·川普提到俄羅斯願意看到烏克蘭成功這類事情感到困惑。

And also he said that he understands why Russia is not willing to accept a temporary ceasefire to hold a referendum on the issue of territory.

他還說他理解為什麼俄羅斯不願意接受臨時停火，以便就領土問題舉行公投。

And for many Ukrainians, this kind of rhetoric means one thing, that Donald Trump is too favorable to Russia and therefore he's probably unable to deliver peace in Ukraine.

對許多烏克蘭人來說，這種言論意味著一件事：唐納·川普對俄羅斯太過友善，是以他可能無法在烏克蘭實現和平。

President Zelensky said in early January there'd be further meetings.

澤倫斯基總統在一月初表示將會有進一步的會談。

There's talk of European leaders gathering in Paris, but also possibly European leaders, and

有消息傳出歐洲領導人將在巴黎聚集，但也有可能歐洲領導人，

以及澤倫斯基總統會在白宮會面。

In January, what hope is there that 2026 could mark an end to this world war?

在一月，我們有什麼希望，2026年能標誌著這場世界大戰的結束呢？

Well, the general attitude here in Ukraine is that the war will probably drag on for much longer.

嗯，烏克蘭這裡普遍的態度是，戰爭可能會拖很久。

There is, of course, a hope that it will end next year.

當然，大家希望戰爭能在明年結束。

But a lot of people view that the reality is that Russia's position and Ukraine's position are irreconcilable.

但很多人認為現實是，俄羅斯的立場和烏克蘭的立場是無法調和的。

Russia wants those territories in the east to be given to them, and

俄羅斯希望將東部的那些領土割讓給他們，而且

they want Ukrainian forces to withdraw from Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the east.

他們希望烏克蘭軍隊從東部的頓內茨克和盧甘斯克地區撤離。

And Ukraine's position is that they want to freeze the current front line and keep their positions.

而且烏克蘭的立場是，他們希望凍結目前的戰線，並守住他們的位置。

And the compromise that the United States offered to have a demilitarized zone could be accepted by Ukraine.

而且美國提出的非軍事區的折衷方案，烏克蘭是可以接受的。

But Kyiv says that it would work only if it's approved by referendum.

但基輔表示，這只有在公投通過後才有效。

But Russia says that they will not accept a temporary ceasefire so that they could allow this referendum to happen.

但俄羅斯說，他們不會接受臨時停火，以便讓這次公投發生。

So the issue of the territory is not resolved, and

therefore, this will be addressed again and again at every single meeting.

是以，這將在每一次會議上被一再提出。

But so far, it's not clear how both sides will find a common ground to address this issue.

但到目前為止，雙方將如何找到共同點來解決這個問題，還不明朗。