Name: 普丁與美特使Witkoff將在莫斯科就烏克蘭進行關鍵會談！BBC新聞 (Vladimir Putin and US envoy Steve Witkoff set for key Ukraine talks in Moscow | BBC News)
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President Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, is to meet President Putin in Moscow today to present him with an amended plan to end the war in Ukraine.

川普總統的特使 Steve Witkoff 今天將在莫斯科會見普丁總統，向他提交一份修改過的結束烏克蘭戰爭的計畫。

President Zelensky has said that Russia must not be rewarded for invading Ukraine, and

澤倫斯基總統表示，俄羅斯因入侵烏克蘭不應受到獎勵，而且

his priorities during peace talks are maintaining sovereignty and ensuring strong security guarantees.

他在和平談判中的優先事項是維護主權並確保強有力的安全保障。

While the Ukrainian leader was speaking in Paris, where he held a meeting with the French President, Emmanuel Macron, and

當烏克蘭領導人在巴黎發表演講，並與法國總統艾曼紐·馬克宏會面時，

rallied support from other European allies, the UK Prime Minister, Keir Starmer and about a dozen other European leaders join them on the phone.

並爭取其他歐洲盟友的支持，英國首相凱爾·史達瑪和其他大約十幾位歐洲領導人也透過電話加入他們。

Mr. Zelenskyy is now in Ireland for a state visit.

澤倫斯基總統現在正在愛爾蘭進行國是訪問。

War should not become a profitable business or that others would not want to repeat such actions.

戰爭不應該成為一門盈利生意，否則其他人也不會想重複這樣的行為。

That is why we take principled positions on sanctions, on accountability for war crimes, on the legal status of our territories currently occupied by Russian forces, on Russian assets, and

這就是為什麼我們在制裁、戰爭罪的問責、我們目前被俄羅斯軍隊佔領的領土的法律地位、俄羅斯資產方面採取原則性立場，以及

The aggressor must pay for the aggression.

The stronger the world's united stance on these points, the more secure and lasting peace will be.

世界在這些議題上團結的立場越堅定，和平就會越穩固持久。

Well, today's meeting between President Putin and Steve Wykoff comes hours after Russia said its forces had captured the frontline town of Pravrosk in eastern Ukraine.

嗯，普丁總統和 Steve Witkoff 今天會面的時間，是在俄羅斯聲稱其軍隊已佔領烏克蘭東部前線城鎮 Pravrosk 的幾個小時後。

Although the Ukrainian military corps say their troops are holding the northern part of the city, a key transport hub is.

儘管烏克蘭軍方表示他們的部隊正在堅守該市的北部地區，但一個關鍵的交通樞紐卻是。

這座城市已經被爭奪了好幾個月，

its fall, if confirmed, would complicate Ukrainian attempts to resupply its front lines.

如果其陷落得到證實，將會讓烏克蘭試圖為前線部隊補給的努力更加複雜。

Let's get more on this with our correspondent in Kiev, James Waterhouse.

讓我們請在基輔的記者 James Waterhouse 告訴我們更多情況。

James, tell us more about the significance of Perovsk and what we know about the situation on the ground.

James，請告訴我們更多關於 Perovsk 的重要性，以及我們對當地情況的瞭解。

Well, I mean, clearly the situation there has been deteriorating for some time.

嗯，我的意思是，那裡的局勢顯然已經惡化了一段時間。

If it is completely captured by Russian forces, as is looking likely at some stage, it will not dramatically change the dynamics of the front lines.

如果它被俄羅斯軍隊完全佔領，就像在某些階段看起來很有可能一樣，這並不會大幅改變前線的動態。

I think what is more significant is what, as President Zelensky admits, Ukraine could be forced to give up.

我認為更重要的是，正如澤倫斯基總統承認的那樣，烏克蘭可能被迫放棄什麼。

You know, Percroft has been vastly destroyed now over the past few years as Russia has ground its way inside the city.

你知道，過去幾年，隨著俄羅斯軍隊一點點推進城市，Perovsk 已經被嚴重摧毀了。

But it's what Ukraine could have to give up in an unfavorable piece peace deal, which I think is more significant for the country, that is the remaining part of the eastern Donbas region which Russia mostly occupies.

但更重要的是烏克蘭可能要在一個不利的和平協議中放棄什麼，我認為這對國家來說更重要，那就是俄羅斯大部分佔領的東部頓巴斯地區的剩餘部分。

What is also significant is the timing of these claims.

同樣重要的是這些說法的時機。

You've got the Russian Defense Ministry releasing these carefully curated videos of Vladimir Putin, again in military fatigues in occupied Ukraine, being briefed by his officers with the claim that two cities have been captured.

俄羅斯國防部發布了這些精心策劃的影片，影片中普丁總統再次穿著軍裝，在被佔領的烏克蘭，聽取軍官的簡報，聲稱兩座城市已被攻佔。

There may be some battlefield reality to those claims, but

這些說法可能有一些戰場上的真實性，但

also we have to consider that this US Delegation, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, are going to arrive in the Kremlin today where the Americans and certainly the Ukrainians will be hoping that Russia can be convinced to compromise, to pause fighting in any way.

我們也必須考慮到，美國代表團成員 Steve Witkoff 和 Jared Kushner 今天將抵達克里姆林宮，美國和烏克蘭方面肯定都希望俄羅斯能被說服做出讓步，以任何方式暫停戰鬥。

When we consider what we've just discussed with the capturing of these towns, certainly from the Ukrainian perspective, it doesn't look like Moscow is ready to put the brakes on in any way with its continued invasion of this country.

當我們考慮到剛才討論的佔領這些城鎮的情況，顯然從烏克蘭的角度來看，莫斯科並沒有準備以任何方式放慢其對這個國家的持續入侵。

And, you know, I'm just saying that obviously Zelensky is in, is in Ireland at the moment, still trying to maintain European support.

而且，你知道，我只是說，顯然澤倫斯基總統目前正在愛爾蘭，仍在努力維持歐洲的支持。

And the Irish government is expected to approve an extra 110 million pounds, 125 million euros in support for Ukraine later today.

愛爾蘭政府預計今天晚些時候準許為烏克蘭提供額外 1.1 億英鎊，即 1.25 億歐元的援助。

Today, as Lansky's been in Dublin, I mean, in terms of where you think the negotiations are, we're seeing this key meeting in Moscow expected later.

今天，蘭斯基人在都柏林，我的意思是，就你認為談判的進展而言，我們看到莫斯科預計將有這次關鍵會面。

James, what is the sense there of the possibility of progress?

James，那裡對於進展的可能性有什麼看法？

Well, I do think out of, you know, at any point of Donald Trump's return to office, this is a peace process that is starting to move.

嗯，我認為，你知道，在川普總統重返職位的任何時間點，這都是一個開始移動的和平進程。

I'm not, I'm not going to say that that progress is going to be forthcoming, but

we are seeing a peace plan, a document which has taken many forms, make its way through.

我們看到一個和平計畫，一份已經歷經多種形式的文件，正在推進中。

You know, initially it was conjured up by the US clearly, with, with a lot of Russian input.

你知道，最初是由美國構思的，顯然，其中有大量的俄羅斯參與。

We've now seen the Ukrainians once again gained some concessions, notably through the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio.

我們現在看到烏克蘭人再次獲得了一些讓步，特別是透過美國國務卿 Marco Rubio。

Discussions that have, are acknowledged to have been extremely difficult by both the Ukrainian and American sides.

烏克蘭和美國雙方都承認，這些討論極其困難。

But this is, you know, a document being passed around.

There is a level of engagement by all sides as well.

However, what is the great uncontrollable for Ukraine is how the Kremlin will react.

不過，對烏克蘭來說，最大的變數是克里姆林宮會有什麼反應。

Wyckoff passes through the Kremlin, this is his sixth visit, you know, we might have a brief clip of both men shaking hands, but

經過克里姆林宮時，這是他第六次訪問，你知道，我們可能會看到兩位領袖握手的簡短畫面，但

we won't necessarily learn what has been agreed in that meeting.

我們不一定會知道會議中達成了什麼協議。

And I think if we, if we look at how the Kremlin has reacted in the past, and

我認為，如果我們看看克里姆林宮過去的反應，

if we look at what Ukraine accuses of Russia of doing time and time again, we suspect that Russia, you know, it is, there is a chance it will say, yes, this is a basis for agreement, as it said in the past.

再看看烏克蘭一再指控俄羅斯所做的事情，我們懷疑俄羅斯，你知道，有機會說，是的，這是一個協議的基礎，就像它過去所說的那樣。

But there are still some, what it's previously called core issues, core reasons behind the war that need to be addressed, because we know Vladimir Putin is scheduled to head off to India on an official visit.

但仍然有一些，它先前稱之為核心問題，戰爭背後的核心原因需要解決，因為我們知道普丁總統預計將前往印度進行國是訪問。

And that is the charge squared by Ukraine that Russia is just killing time.

這就是烏克蘭指控俄羅斯只是在拖延時間。

它對自己取得的進展感到高興。

Look at what the messaging it is putting out today.

And the key question also is what America would do if that happens again.

另一個關鍵問題是，如果再次發生這種情況，美國會怎麼做。

Will it sanction more of Russia's key industries for example, or will it turn back to Ukraine and say, look, we've gone back and forth, enough's enough.

例如，它會對俄羅斯更多關鍵產業實施制裁，還是會轉向烏克蘭說，看，我們來來回回，受夠了。

在這裡簽字，否則我們就不知道了。

With me for more on this is Vitaly Shevchenko, Russia editor for BBC Monitoring.

隨我一起討論的還有 BBC Monitoring 的俄羅斯編輯 Vitaly Shevchenko。

Vitali we are going to be seeing this key meeting between Steve Wykoff and Vladimir Putin shortly, actually

Vitali，我們很快就會看到 Steve Wykoff 和 Vladimir Putin 之間的這次重要會面了，

What, what's your assessment of the likelihood of progress any time before Christmas?

你認為在聖誕節前有任何進展的可能性有多大？

Certainly I don't think it'll happen, unfortunately, as James said, this is sixth meeting between Putin and Witkoff and this time around things have changed.

我當然不認為會發生，很可惜，就像 James 說的，這是 Putin 和 Witkoff 的第六次會面，這次情況已經不同了。

The way Steve Witkoff is seen is different.

Steve Witkoff 的形象已經不一樣了。

After a string of extraordinary leaks in the media suggesting that he agreed to present a list of maximalist demands compiled by Russia as America's so called peace plan, that he was involved in business negotiations with Russia and even advised Russia on how to deal with Donald Trump.

在一連串非比尋常的媒體洩漏之後，暗示他同意提出一份由俄羅斯編纂的極端要求清單，作為美國所謂的和平計畫，他參與了與俄羅斯的商業談判，甚至還建議俄羅斯如何對付川普總統。

Now I cannot confirm if any of that is true, but

現在我無法證實這些是否屬實，但

what I can say is that the so called 20 point peace plan presented by the Americans in all the important respects, it matches a Russian so called memorandum presented back in June in Istanbul.

我能說的是，美國提出的所謂 20 點和平計畫，在所有重要方面，都與俄羅斯在 6 月於伊斯坦堡提出的所謂備忘錄相符。

Things like withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from currently government controlled territory, a cap on the size of the Ukrainian army, it's all there.

像是烏克蘭軍隊從目前政府控制的領土撤軍，限制烏克蘭軍隊的規模，這些都在其中。

So what we can realistically expect to see or should be interested in seeing emerge from Moscow is I think there's a degree to watch.

所以我認為，我們實際能預期或應該關注從莫斯科出現的，我認為有某種程度值得觀察。

Steve Witkoff and Vladimir Putin are friendly towards each other.

Steve Witkoff 和 Vladimir Putin 彼此關係友好。

As Volodymyr Zelenskyy is visiting Ireland, he will meet his key negotiator there who's returning from the United States.

由於澤倫斯基總統正在訪問愛爾蘭，他將在那裡會見他的首席談判代表，這位代表剛從美國回來。

This will be will be their first face to face meeting after key talks held by this negotiator Rustem Umerov.

這將是他們在首席談判代表 Rustem Umerov 舉行關鍵會談後的第一次面對面會晤。

In America, both Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Rustemomerov are saying that important issues still need to be resolved in talks with Americans.

在美國，澤倫斯基總統和 Rustem Umerov 都表示，與美國的談判中仍有重要議題需要解決。

So another thing we should be looking out for today are signs of any concessions being made by Ukraine or agreeing to America's pressure and demands.

所以今天我們還要注意的，是烏克蘭做出任何讓步，或是同意美國的壓力與要求的跡象。

We shouldn't really where would they lie?

我們真的不應該，它們會在哪裡呢？

The key focus of talks between Ukraine and America are territorial concessions.

烏克蘭與美國談判的關鍵焦點是領土讓步。

Russia in that plan presented by the Americans, they are demanding that Ukraine vacate the remaining 20% of the eastern Donbas region, which for Ukraine is an absolute non starter.

在美國提出的計畫中，俄羅斯要求烏克蘭撤離東部頓巴斯地區剩餘的 20%，這對烏克蘭來說是絕對不可能的。

The question is without America's support, will they be able to keep on fighting for that territory and other parts of Ukraine which Russia wants to take?

問題是，沒有美國的支持，他們還能繼續爭奪那塊領土以及俄羅斯想佔領的烏克蘭其他地區嗎？

And how significant in your view is the Kremlin saying that Russian forces have captured Povrosk?

在你認為，克里姆林宮說俄羅斯軍隊已經佔領了 Povrosk，這有多重要？

這可能是真的，也可能不是真的。

We've seen, we've just seen pictures of Russian forces in the center of Pokrovsk.

我們剛才看到俄羅斯軍隊出現在波克羅夫斯克市中心的畫面。

But its practical significance as a strategic transport hub is gone.

但它作為戰略運輸樞紐的實際意義已經消失了。

So it's essentially a fight over of the ruins right now when it comes to Russia's position.

所以就俄羅斯的立場而言，現在基本上就是在爭奪廢墟。

Vladimir Putin said last Thursday that Russia would stop fighting in Ukraine only after Ukraine withdraws from the position currently occupies.

普丁總統上週四表示，俄羅斯只會在烏克蘭撤離目前佔領的陣地後，才會在烏克蘭停止戰鬥。

There's no point in signing any deals with Volodymyr Zelenskyy, according to Vladimir Putin.

根據普丁總統的說法，與澤倫斯基總統簽署任何協議都沒有意義。

So Russia's position is as maximalist as ever and frankly America has given it has given Russia very little reason to change that position.

所以俄羅斯的立場一如既往地極端，坦白說，美國幾乎沒有給俄羅斯任何理由去改變這個立場。

Vitaly Shevchenko, thank you very much indeed.